Stealing and MPKing is the only way to go?

Alleluia is run by an MPKer...naturally his followers will be MPKers. The members of a shell seem to reflect the leader in many ways. We ran into them on Simurgh, and they proceeded to make complete asshats of themselves, spamming shouts with jibberish, binding the crabs next to people and just genereally being annoying. Asahina, Graveyard, Riese, were some of them. And though Ailia wasn't there, this is certainly his handiwork.

You still don't seem to understand why these people invited you to join them on Fafnir. It is just because you could claim it once, maybe they just want to get rid of an annoyance, but you will not be getting any Nidhogg items. So says Serise himself... but then again maybe I heard it wrong. I have reliable sources.

I don't understand what you think letting them control you is going to accomplish. For crying out loud stand up yourself and represent your own LS, not someone else's.

We are not gonna give up under any circumstances. When we start to outclaim them, and are asked to team up, we say no. Let 'em squirm a bit over it, but this is not over until we have what we want. Fafnir, KB, and so on, are next.
 
Svina, anytime you need help with adds, Artem and I will happily help as well as Xanta (lvl 70 BST) and a bunch of others I know. (Balrock would help too.. I'm pretty sure he would if he's free ^^). I'm sick and tired of the JP getting away with this. Now you can have Aspid and Adamantoise cause, frankly, I have no care with it. It doesn't drop anything I want at this time and there are better money making HNMs out there. But, seriously, we need to stop letting them get away with it... it's disgusting...
 
It's not really about the money. But yeah, if you wanna help with the cause it's more than open (but the time is getting kinda wacky). Anyway we prolly wont be there till the next possible Aspid pop, so don't worry bout it right now.
 
meh, as much as I hate to contradict you nas, most everyone here is correct in the sense of JP vs NA, its all about greed and jealousy. We've been fucked plenty of times, and have made negotiations and such but you know what? We get fucked over again and what do they do, they laugh at us for being so damn gullible, I do believe it's time we stop dicking around with them and start progessing in what we wish to achieve, instead of relying on someone else who obviously doesn't care about who we are and what we stand for.

I don't' want to take sides or anything, but I'm a proud american citizen, so when a racial slur or what have you, is said about me or my country, I don't plan on negotiating with you and then have you fuck me over in the end. I will go to the ends of the earth to make sure your head is fucking screwed on right, and that shit won't ever happen again. I remember seeing how alm got screwed over on his Hrotti to someone who wasn't even on the list, doesn't matter if it was important or not to alm, he still got fucked over, and you know what? They did it to us once, It will happen again.

I'm a pretty nice, friendly person, and get along with most everyone, what I do not like is the fact, that we let them slide with most of the things they do, and im plain sick and tired of it.
 
P.S.

What lead me to post this was the fact that we got screwed over by kirin last weekend, made me firmly believe that they don't give a shit about who we are, or what we do. Especially when we negotiated with them previously, I hope they rot in fucking hell. Thanks.
 
Your whole post is directed at Serise, Log. Like you said, I did get screwed over. But, I don't blame every single LS in the alliance for that fact. My mistake was trusting Serise to rely a simple message that I was interested in obtaining the Hrotti which I didn't beforehand. As for the Kirin thing, it again involves Serise and no other LS out there.

The sense of JP vs NA is misconstrued by a few peoples bad instances of certain key groups that happen to be JP. As Uzor pointed out at the beginning of this thread, Oberstein's LS assisted them in clearing the trains that Lucifar's group was bringing. Are you going to steal and MPK them cause of the fact that they're JP? Doubtful. Any other NA is just as capable of stealing and MPKing as much as the next human being on this server. So, I hardly find it fair that the simple fact that there are asshats in both countries would lead to something referred to as "JP vs NA".
 
i only read a good part of the first page, where i imagine most of the facts are... the rest is discussion, so if i miss any facts correct me.

I was there on tuesday(?) when we stalled adimantiose for four hours... four hours. It went unclaimed.... 3....4 times while i was there. Lucifar and none of his group stole it once.

Come apichdhelcovonhonclelone.... they claimed it, and attempted to stall it (sound familier) but you guys decided to steal it? Im shocked Svina allowed this...

you guys played dirty, and they MPKed you. can you really be legitamatly mad?
 
Alm if you would pay attention, you would learn we aren't out for them all. If Oberstein gets the next Aspid. we will clear his adds more than likely or the mobs Luci brings over. This is about the key groups of JP's who practice unfair tactics such as MPKing. When we finally get around to other mobs we wont MPK or even be illfitted to the new JP's we discover as they will have to throw the stone first. We will fight fair and claim fair until provoked, not by words, by tactics used against us to keep us from claiming or killing. I know to you that doesn't justify our actions of the last Asp. or future stints we pull, and I'm not going for that. However, you seem to , despite the many post thatclearly state our thoughts / actions, still think we are agains ALL of them. This isn't true.

I know I said I was done here but this needed to be addressed. People read the whole thread before you post. Thank you~
 
Sparky read everything, it wont take you long. In your absense much has happened that you need to be informed of.
 
Perhaps if you read my post, you would have read that terming everything you do as JP vs. NA is unfair to the other JP LS's out there. Your problem is with Lucifar not the entire JP community.
 
hi

heh there are too many cliques for us to come together...

FFXI high school.

ascension, ash, jp's etc etc
 
Re: hi

Stigmatas said:
heh there are too many cliques for us to come together...

FFXI high school.

ascension, ash, jp's etc etc
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That is more true then anyone realizes, since most people who play 11 are in high school or just out of it ^^;
 
Alm again I have stated very clearly we arent vs. them all and it's more than just sir Luci. However you see it, it matters not. Whats going down is going down. You have a different way to solve conflict and are more passing and I wish you and your Ls, like I told nas, all the luck in your progression. But there is more than one way to skin a cat. We are taking the dirty road because we are more agressive than passive. Basically we are all on the same side but you guys are angered at our point of view and at us for thinking your view is outdated. Please correct me if I'm wrong. We will go about it our way, and may fail, and you will go about it your way and in the end progression will be made one way or another and everyone *may* be happy. Not together , of course, but happy at least the NA ae emerging and becoming dominate figures within the community.
 
Actually alm, I just used that incident your referring to as example on how we get fucked over. My post wasn't directed at Serise, but the asshats he harbors, for instance, Loire making thoses racist comments in Shout while we sat and waited patiently as we were made out to be retards.

My JP vs. NA comments aren't referred to all JP's as you so put it, simply those who are racist towards us. And if you think for one minute I'm gonna sit around and be nice over the fact that myself, or my country is going to be "disced" on, then your so wrong. I can only take so much of it, and I trust nasya and you, and all our leaders when you say your negotiating with them and It will all work out. But when we continually get fucked over, I could only wish that you don't stand around and take it, stand up for yourself and tell them were not gonna take anymore bullshitting around from you guys. It's that simple.
 
I am just kind of shocked at how Lucifar reacted. I think the reality of the situation is yeah, maybe what happened at whatever Adamantoise was a little grey, but in the end mpking to take a mob is childish and low class.
Something like that coming from the Faluzurian definition of honor and integrity is definitely what I would not expect. Multiple wrongs never make a right, and as a leader both parties should keep that in mind.

That being said, what Lucifar did on the scale of asshole things to do is pretty much the lowest. Not only did he piss off a lot of players who died, but he ruined any reputation he had and set a bitter stage for more stuff like this to happen to him and more importantly his members that trust and follow him in the future. Just like maybe how DrgAsh has to deal with his crap now, he can probably expect a lot coming back at him. If neither side is willing to yield at all there will be clashes and there will be more flames which doesn't really matter to anyone, just my word of advice to both sides is to not get others uninvolved in your conflict caught in the crossfire.
 
Sparky you know why lucifar didn't take it? Adamantoise is just junk to him. He never even tries to claim it when he knows it's just gonna be admantoise. The 2nd day we were there, who got it? Oberstein's group. Lucifar didn't even budge till it was claimed so he could get the TOD.

Granted... 3rd day they managed to get it though, and what did they do? They stalled it. Everyone left but me and sindarkus and Kanya's LS called GM on them. Nothing happened whatsoever. But the thing is, were it aspidochelone we were stalling that day, Lucifar would not hesitate to grab it. It is the reason he camps there every day, for Aspid. If you get in his way, he first watches to see if you can even kill it. He saw we had been making progress on his HNM, getting it to 50% after it had regenned to full hp. He knew we weren't gonna lose if he did nothing. So around 50% we see Ailia truckin in with his horde...and I'm like "well, here it comes"... and our BRD got ready for the backup measures to handle the MPK attempt. It failed though and I already explained why.

Lucifar will not play fair if you get his target...just because he doesn't steal Adamantoise, you see. When we were stalling it, Sakon asked me how long I'd be stalling it for. Sometime around the middle of 6pm he told me in rather broken english "It is wise to kill him now."...I don't know if that was an MPK/steal threat but it was not declaiming anymore at that point...but we were also already taking heat from the GM at this point, and before anything really went down we killed it. I know for a fact Lucifar's group did not call the GM on us... it was Oberstein's people, but that is because they are against how lucifar does things (luc stalls like no one's business)... strange though how the NA group gets called out on it and when Lucifar does it it's fine.

And also yea, Sparky read back some pages. I told you we did give it back to them already once before, but the decision was made to stop it afterwards.

And it's like I'm saying, and this is to Almaut... you're trying to get what you want using peaceful measures. Fine...if it worked. Sure you might get them eventually but in the eyes of everyone else your disgracing your LS by being their toys. You want to go on and say you have a lot to be proud of, and yet you're bowing and kissing these asshole's feet (notice i'm not saying "The JP", since yea, not all the JP on the scene are like this) like complete pussies! It's laughable dude. Serise specifically offered you empty promises to get the flies away from his camp and save time till he's done with that HNM. I know for a fact he will be finished with Fafnir soon, and when time comes to roll out and you ask "where's my stuff!?" he'll just keep going and forget you. Then what? Start kissin someone else's ass? Get in with Ailia and their crew... now you're classified as supporting an MPK LS, it just goes downhill from there.

And really I don't have any kind of hate towards anyone right now, aside from Lucifar. What he's done to us in the past and present is more than enough to warrant that he's the absolute worst kind of person in this game. If you want Fafnir, though, Nasya or Almaut or whoever runs Ascension these days... I'd suggest you get your group together and -take- it. Were you there the day the group that got it was MPK'ed by Ailia? It wasn't the first time it was attempted. I guess this was after Serise told you to GTFO...I haven't really been watching dragon's aery so much anymore.

But yeah, stop being the "NA (Too Weak)" these guys are shouting in your faces while you camp with them and change it to "NA (Impossible to guage)"... or just keep getting fucked over. Up to you.
 
Er, oh, I stand corrected. He didn't call GM on you, it was someone else.
It still doesnt change what he did from being ass though, heh.
 
Serise is an ass and is quickly going up our hate list, also Serise doesn't run things at Fafnir. Things might boil over with Serise soon, but most of the people who we camp Fafnir with are still very cool. Declaring war on Efrost and Rams because of Serise seems pretty stupid wouldn't you think? I don't feel that we're being disgraced at all, that's the opinion of an outsider who gets their info from.... Serise? Sorry but you don't know anything about our arrangement, Serise wasn't even involved in it. We did what we felt was the best for our linkshell, I'd assume you're doing the same for yours, good luck with your steal/mpk war.
 
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