Stop buying Ulli stones, you *#%*tards

Sirelrohir said:
that was a long time ago, and is irrelevant to the topic at hand.

This is the point: Your ls has members, such as yourself, who will go out of their way to attempt to make someone look like a cheater.
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or we just state the obvious.

speaking of going out of the way, its funny you say that coming from someone who goes out of their way to avoid talking about it because it makes you look guilty guilty guilty!
 
So um.. Crosis your attitude in your response pretty much proves what i said

Crosis said:
How the hell are we elitist? You think we don't help people? How do we "continulously" screw the community? The whole 8-10 autumnstones we have bought in a year, half coming from JP and half possibly coming from RMT, really screws the community? Ulli pops at least twice a day genius.

Are you in our LS? No, so fuck off and stop bitching about shit you know nothing about you jealous prick.
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Rofl, ok i'll take this in pieces: (All personal Opinion)
"How the hell are we elitist?"
-Um lets just say the attitude of every member of that ls that i have
spoke to has had the "We Are Gods" complex. Minus 1 member named
Meastoso with which i had a civilized conversation.
"You think we don't help people?"
-Never said you didn't, I said do more of it
"Autumnstones we have bought in a year, half coming from JP and half possibly coming from RMT, really screws the community?"
-As this whole flame has made pretty obvious. Do you really know where
Your stones came from? ...possibly rmt..pfft... Ask anyone who has pretty much dominated the claims in the last 6 months. and YES ... providing
gil to rmt knowingly or unknowingly screws the Quetz zommunity.
"Ulli pops at least twice a day genius."
-Um.. duhhh.... state the obvious
"Are you in our LS?"
-HELL NO
"so fuck off and stop bitching about shit you know nothing about you jealous prick"
-...and your still wondering why ppl think your elitest
[those were your owns words, not mine, not the communities, YOURS]
As for the the jealousy, pffft . I think i have pretty much stated i have
no respect for the ppl that i have spoke with in your ls. Except for 1
member. Jealous... lol ... hell no. I play this game for fun, i don't feel like
i have to be some kind of GOD in a world that does not exist. Its a friggin
game ....

Before anyone flames me for it.... i know...i fail @ quoting...lol
 
Apu said:
Rofl, ok i'll take this in pieces: (All personal Opinion)
"How the hell are we elitist?"
-Um lets just say the attitude of every member of that ls that i have
spoke to has had the "We Are Gods" complex. Minus 1 member named
Meastoso with which i had a civilized conversation.
"You think we don't help people?"
-Never said you didn't, I said do more of it
"Autumnstones we have bought in a year, half coming from JP and half possibly coming from RMT, really screws the community?"
-As this whole flame has made pretty obvious. Do you really know where
Your stones came from? ...possibly rmt..pfft... Ask anyone who has pretty much dominated the claims in the last 6 months. and YES ... providing
gil to rmt knowingly or unknowingly screws the Quetz zommunity.
"Ulli pops at least twice a day genius."
-Um.. duhhh.... state the obvious
"Are you in our LS?"
-HELL NO
"so fuck off and stop bitching about shit you know nothing about you jealous prick"
-...and your still wondering why ppl think your elitest
[those were your owns words, not mine, not the communities, YOURS]
As for the the jealousy, pffft . I think i have pretty much stated i have
no respect for the ppl that i have spoke with in your ls. Except for 1
member. Jealous... lol ... hell no. I play this game for fun, i don't feel like
i have to be some kind of GOD in a world that does not exist. Its a friggin
game ....

Before anyone flames me for it.... i know...i fail @ quoting...lol
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If its just a game why the hell are u on a game website thread and chewing someone out? lol Let me guess b/c it screws over the community? Please, each Kaizen member has stated that they bought from JP mules/players or a random lv 1 mule (which I even posted a picture of NA LS selling a stone). So where are they screwing the community? Please tell me.
 
neophytal said:
or we just state the obvious.

speaking of going out of the way, its funny you say that coming from someone who goes out of their way to avoid talking about it because it makes you look guilty guilty guilty!
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i'll talk about whatever you want to talk about. Did i make a thread about kaizen at tiamat? yes i did. Does it have anything to do with this thread?

Have i talked about the alleged banning? Yes I have. I have given my reasoning. Am i going out of my way to talk about it? no, ill talk about it all you want. So tell me, what is it you want to talk about? Kabrina came out and said she never saw me or meridith hack. This was the foundation of all the accusations. I didnt log on? Fair enough, if you want to base that i hack on i didnt log on, then do it.

Still, guess what. This thread isnt about me. Its about your ls. Its like i said in my reply to crosis. You want to come here and judge people (and neo, your as bad as any of them) then be ready to be judged yourself.
 
Apu said:
Rofl, ok i'll take this in pieces: (All personal Opinion)
"How the hell are we elitist?"
-Um lets just say the attitude of every member of that ls that i have
spoke to has had the "We Are Gods" complex. Minus 1 member named
Meastoso with which i had a civilized conversation.
"You think we don't help people?"
-Never said you didn't, I said do more of it
"Autumnstones we have bought in a year, half coming from JP and half possibly coming from RMT, really screws the community?"
-As this whole flame has made pretty obvious. Do you really know where
Your stones came from? ...possibly rmt..pfft... Ask anyone who has pretty much dominated the claims in the last 6 months. and YES ... providing
gil to rmt knowingly or unknowingly screws the Quetz zommunity.
"Ulli pops at least twice a day genius."
-Um.. duhhh.... state the obvious
"Are you in our LS?"
-HELL NO
"so fuck off and stop bitching about shit you know nothing about you jealous prick"
-...and your still wondering why ppl think your elitest
[those were your owns words, not mine, not the communities, YOURS]
As for the the jealousy, pffft . I think i have pretty much stated i have
no respect for the ppl that i have spoke with in your ls. Except for 1
member. Jealous... lol ... hell no. I play this game for fun, i don't feel like
i have to be some kind of GOD in a world that does not exist. Its a friggin
game ....

Before anyone flames me for it.... i know...i fail @ quoting...lol
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you don't care about being a "god" yet you call them out for just trying to enjoy the game? that's how the majority of the people play the game, they strive to obtain the best of the best. you dislike how they buy stones from anyone and saying they're not worth it if they havent earned it. I'm not saying you can't dislike them, but disliking them for something so rediculous?

maybe to them, enjoying the game, buying a stone, so they don't have to waste 4-12+BORING hrs on ulli so they can kill byakko, is fun for them.

so they're doing what you're doing, and that's having fun

as you've said "it's a friggin game" then get off their nuts

seriously do you even read what you type up? If you claim it's a game then why let personal opinion/feelings come over a "friggin game"?


"oh look at me mother I've lost respect on someone in a friggin game" Ironic the things people say
 
Artem said:
There are three (3) reasons people made this into 62 page post.

1. Jealousy. People can't stand seeing others succeed, so they must flame them to make themselves fill better (I'd say 90% or so percent of you here). Or you hold a grudge because your ls fucked up and Kaizen cleaned up after you and got gaiters, mbody or w/e else you happened to lose out on.

2. Frustration. You are tired of sky and not getting the things you want, so you are frustrated to see other LS advance by other legitimate ways (buying items with gil is quite legitimate).

3. Enjoyment. People, like myself, Firestreak, and Uzor as well as others, enjoy to read a good flame war for personal enjoyment during that time. Does this time really affect us (the people who read for enjoyment). Not in the least bit.

People like that (#3) who are not in Kaizen, don't really care where Kaizen gets their stones. People in Kaizen like that, don't really care much for the "higher moral" standard you guys are criticising us for. Your opinion is yours. We don't care for it, just as much as you don't care for ours. Telling us repetivily that you are better than us, does not make us feel bad. Mostly it just makes us laugh. Telling us that you don't respect us anymore, makes us laugh. You are not the pope, you are nobody in this game. We don't care weather you respect us or not over something so trivial. People know what should we be respected on, and what we shouldn't be respected on. Opinions are your own, do with them as you wish. Continue with your anger.

Everyone has an opinion, just like an asshole.

I would also bet that if you were next for haidate for 6 month and you couldn't get it cause you don't have time for Ulli, you'd buy a stone.
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I like how when people have an opinion that doesn't jive with the herd, they must be jealous, frustrated or trying to fuel the fire. Here's a flash for ya: Some people have a sense of they feel is fair play, and those people have a right to disagree and post what they think just as much as you and your pals who really could care less. You don't care what people think? Good. Chances are they don't give a rats ass what you think. Welcome to the flameboard.

But please don't be so naive as to try to shove people into one of these three categories or tell yourself that "any one of you would buy stones too". 1) Personally, I could give a shit less about the name of a linkshell. It's the way their members conduct themselves and how they affect my experience in the game that determines what I think of them. I respect what they accomplish when I think it's an accomplishment. What I think doesn't matter to them, as well it shouldn't. So they shouldn't mind that I have an opinion about how they conduct themselves. 2) The gear I have I worked for with the people that have devoted their time and energy to get it with me. From farming the lesser pop nms to Kirin, we worked for it. There were times I bid for things to see them go to other people instead, and though I may have been personally bummed, I celebrated a fellow member's reward. Then moved on and kept working until it was my time. I don't have osode yet. I really want one. Doesn't mean I'm going to buy a stone for the chance to get one. And I've been in sky much longer than 6 months. 3) Does anything anyone says here really have an impact on anything? Probably not. No one's gonna go home and /cut over this, linkshells will not rise and fall, the spin of the world won't suddenly cease. But when people spend the amount of time playing this game that a lot of the people posting here do, they're going to have an opinion about the things that affect gameplay. RMT is a big issue affecting game economy and game experience due to their cheating with bots and other hacks. It's everywhere. So great for you that you don't give a shit. Your gaming experience is fine, and that's all good for you. But the presence of RMT affects a lot of people in many ways, and you could maybe show a little less contempt for them when they express their disgust for them.

It can pretty much be summed up that no one on either side is going to be swayed. The only thing that's apparent to me is that a lot of people feel very strongly on the subject obviously, and their entitled to that, no matter what the reason, and whether you find it ridiculous or not.
 
Rabble Rabble Rabble!



























RABBLE!!!!!!!!!!
 
Zyndara i remember you buying a stack of sole sushi from an RMT seller, does that make you a supporter of RMT?
 
Trelution said:
Yeah I'd say there is nothing left of that dead horse to beat at this point.
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I thought that right thar was gonna be the end of this stupid stupidness.
oh well...
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One time I thought I was a member of a group called the Lil Blue Bunnies, then it turned out to be a scab on my left elbow that resembled a lil Debbie snack cake
 
Just wanted to respond to Meastoso

meastoso said:
pretty sure I remember a guy by the name of Apu running his mouth in Caederva Mire at some Kaizen members about the issue at hand about a few weeks ago. We had a nice chat in tells where I explained pretty much the same thing almaut already did, and it ended with you being quite apologetic and saying something along the lines of:

"i harbor no ill will toward kaizen :D", and I vividly remember many smiley faces.

indecisive much?
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So yeah Meastoso you pretty much quoted me, but i will put this in context for you. Had been pt'ing for hours in mire and 2 of your members parked right on top of us. I checked both of them and and realized both were kaizen...and yes i prolly did start what ensued. Im not gonna hide that. Made a comment like "Wow not only do you buy stones, you also feel the need to park on a pre-existing camp" ... yeah i instigated that, but all i did was state a fact.

After that i was checked and immediately attacked at what gear i might have been wearing. So 2 of your members made a point to just spam "Byakko's Haidate" in /say and /tell me how gimp i was. Not to mention admitting
the whole stone fiasco.

Well to make a long story short, You are the only member of that ls
that i have had a civilized conversation with. The other 2 that were there felt
the need to belittle or somehow think they were pissing me off...basically just
trying to get a rise out of me. Well to be honest... coulda cared less about anyone else's opinion on my gear.. The whole spamming of "HAIDATE, DO U NEED IT" .... was just childish.

So ... i don't hate kaizen or harbor any i'll will. I just have no respect. And yes
there were smiley faces because i found the whole incident amuzing and pretty much "On Par" with almost every member ive had the displeasure of running into.

No, im not indecisive. I don't hate/harbor any ill will.
I just have no respect, and personally i don't think i'm the only who feels that way.
 
Bajaratt said:
Wow, you have no idea what you're talking about(but then, I'm not surprised). There was never a NH thread whining about how we want a chance at Tiamat too. In the thread that existed outside of your retarded mind, NH called for help and then purposely wiped, Kaizen claimed after CFH wore off, before NH coudl reclaim. That thread was made by Sirelrohir, it was a stupid flame and never should have been made; it was made against the wishes of the leadership of NH. If you actually remember(Which I know you don't, but for others with a brain) I was posting on the first page saying just that along with it should be locked; but cubswoo thought it was too entertaining to lock so it stayed open.

It also has no bearing on what's being discussed right now. There was no cheating, no RMT, no buying of anything; they just claimed faster than us and there was nothing wrong done.

The fact that we sold the stone before it became such a rare comoditiy actually supports my point more than you've bothered to realize. The fact that when Ulli was common and easier to obtain that people bothered to buy/sell even if they were in an active sky linkshell; just shows that people have been doing this for years. It's less common now, sure, but it still happens.
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nope not thread it was a thread before that thread.
 
"i Don't Respect You On A Friggin Game!!!!!!!!!!"
 
This whole thing would be over if this kaizen LS discloses who they bought the stones from.

<random people> kaizen buys autumn stones from RMT.
<kaizen people> we buy autumn stones, but we're cool because we "don't know" which sellers the RMTs are. We just pretend they're JP because there must be so many JP people who farm ulli for shits and giggles.

Tell us the names. I can confirm quite prompty which population that mule belongs to.

If you "forgot" or "didn't bother to look", then one can be pretty damn certain the list of sellers contains RMT, simply out of probability. Please don't even try to argue there are more JP sellers than RMT. JPs selling the stone is pretty rare.

But your whole argument is that you don't care, right? Well, the problem is solved then. Go on, keep not caring. Posting on this thread without saying either YES, we bought from RMT, or NO, we definitely didn't buy from RMT, is nothing short of fruitless. No one gives a shit about your philosophies and observations of the server economy.

Just keep buying from "unidentifiable sellers", which is comprised primarily of RMT--the only real consequence of that is that you shatter the dreams of your enamored QCDN fanboys (oh, who will they look up to now!?). And they'll stop ooh-and-aahing at your every step. Maybe that's a good thing after all, don't you think?
 
The thing is, obviously you (Kaizen) do care what other people think, since you feel the need to defend yourselves. If you didn't care, you'd go "Pfft, whatever", and not make such a huge thing out of it.

You can play the "I don't care" card all you want. I'm sure some of you don't care, but those that are defending Kaizen, do care. Its obvious. If they didn't, they wouldn't defend themselves. Please, don't even bother putting up a fake "I don't care" image when you defend the linkshell. Sure, you can respond to arguments and personal attacks. If you truely don't care, you'd just respond to the arguments answered without bringing up counter arguments. If you truely don't care, you will take a rather neutral stand.

Edit: Damn it. By the time I was finnished typing this post Meta had posted similar above me ~.~
 
Apu

Dragon Ryder said:
you don't care about being a "god" yet you call them out for just trying to enjoy the game? that's how the majority of the people play the game, they strive to obtain the best of the best. you dislike how they buy stones from anyone and saying they're not worth it if they havent earned it. I'm not saying you can't dislike them, but disliking them for something so rediculous?

maybe to them, enjoying the game, buying a stone, so they don't have to waste 4-12+BORING hrs on ulli so they can kill byakko, is fun for them.

so they're doing what you're doing, and that's having fun

as you've said "it's a friggin game" then get off their nuts

seriously do you even read what you type up? If you claim it's a game then why let personal opinion/feelings come over a "friggin game"?


"oh look at me mother I've lost respect on someone in a friggin game" Ironic the things people say
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-Thank You, Come again
 
Bajaratt said:
Byakko's Seal would be worth several million too, and that IS a 100% drop. Anything else that drops would be extra money made. Plus, any gear they get would replace their current gear, which they could sell and make up for the cost of the stone.

You apparently didn't read the part earlier or ever heard about how gil sellers on other servers actually kill gods with their seals and keep/sell the drops to players. Those are the gil sellers that on top of monopolizing sky are taking down kings on those servers with the gear they got from sky.

If no one bought the stones, the RMT would still bot Ulli, they'd just be killing byakko and keeping/selling the drops. Selling the stone is the easiest way to make money, but actually using the stone would overall be more profitable for them.
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If there a boycott on stones would you not think there be a boycott on seals? Also I disagree they would spend more time then they would want to. They would need more manpower and they would have to kill despot as well. Then If they killed kirin they would have to kill 8 nm, 4gods and 1 kirin-with 4 gods. they need 3x (maybe 5x) the amount of people, which would make them need people from other camps making them loss there stronghold on other camps. Also if this was true then why dont they kill genbu as much? Genbu easy to farm and drop vclaw. Then there suzuku which drop vclaw and shining cloth. If you remember they even tried to do that before they got banned for the first time.
 
hellstorm said:
If there a boycott on stones would you not think there be a boycott on seals? Also I disagree they would spend more time then they would want to. They would need more manpower and they would have to kill despot as well. Then If they killed kirin they would have to kill 8 nm, 4gods and 1 kirin-with 4 gods. they need 3x (maybe 5x) the amount of people, which would make them need people from other camps making them loss there stronghold on other camps. Also if this was true then why dont they kill genbu as much? Genbu easy to farm and drop vclaw. Then there suzuku which drop vclaw and shining cloth. If you remember they even tried to do that before they got banned for the first time.
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Newsflash from 6 months ago: THEY ALREADY FARM ALL OF THE OTHER POP NM'S. You're acting like the only thing gil sellers do in sky is camp Ulli, which shows that you haven't set foot in sky since they started up there. They camp everything and already kill most of the gods, but they sell the autumn stones. They've already killed byakko, hence the seals they have, so it's not that hard. There would be no extra work, no extra effort on their part, they're doing it already; they just sell some/all of their autumn stones.

Also, there is not a HNM window every second of every day, they could easily find time to kill a few gods when there was no HNM's up. Plus, there is a metric fuckton of gil sellers, so they can easily distribute their efforts while still killing the gods.

Either get a clue or shut the fuck up.
 
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