Stop buying Ulli stones, you *#%*tards

[Blazeoffury]

Again bazaar you see face to face. For point of reference I never bought okote because it over run by wwehe and that be conflict of interest. The % chance of food being rmt is rare. I make my own tools. Ya I buy oil/powders but again the number of legit to rmt is profoundly more. Chance of buying uli stone from a bazaar if profoundly high.

Your jumping around the arguement without actually facing the arguement. The arguement was both are anonymous, thus you cannot claim ingorance on one without the other without becoming a hypocrit doing so.

 

[Uzor]

It doesn't matter if there's only 1 or 2 botting(still just as many claims I bet), they're still selling every single kote that drops, so there are far more RMT sales than there are sales from legit players.

That could be seen by going here:

http://ffxiah.com/item.php?id=13952&sid=16&stack=0

I'm assuming Tunini is a gilseller. The others sell a far too wide variety of items that I'd guess they're legit players. And even then, that's 4 sold in the past 6 days, and 4 sold the past 25 sales.

that's 4/25 chance to buy from her, a gilseller, making it 4/25 chance, or roughly 16%, which isn't really all that high.

 

[Bajaratt]

Again bazaar you see face to face. For point of reference I never bought okote because it over run by wwehe and that be conflict of interest. The % chance of food being rmt is rare. I make my own tools. Ya I buy oil/powders but again the number of legit to rmt is profoundly more. Chance of buying uli stone from a bazaar if profoundly high.

Again you don't know how the bazaar owner is, how many times do I have to say it before it'll sink in? We're not talking about a bazaar names kljhfdgskudfhg, which are obviously gil sellers, we're talking about legit-sounding names, with no evidence that they are gil sellers. The percent chance for food, tools and oils/powders is not rare, RMT set the price for silent oils months ago and kept it there. There are RMT who just craft consumables all day long and pull in millions without anyone caring.

 

[Blazeoffury]

That could be seen by going here:

http://ffxiah.com/item.php?id=13952&sid=16&stack=0

I'm assuming Tunini is a gilseller. The others sell a far too wide variety of items that I'd guess they're legit players. And even then, that's 4 sold in the past 6 days, and 4 sold the past 25 sales.

that's 4/25 chance to buy from her, a gilseller, making it 4/25 chance, or roughly 16%, which isn't really all that high.

Yet the true arguement is the anonymity of both, and there's a % in both, sure one % is higher then the other, but there is still a % and there is still the anonymity issue.

 

[hellstorm]

It doesn't matter if there's only 1 or 2 botting(still just as many claims I bet), they're still selling every single kote that drops, so there are far more RMT sales than there are sales from legit players.

yes there are more rmt claims then legit. That why I dont have pair of okote, that and that the only job that can use them is my 37 nin which I have no intension in lvling. You still cant compare item that circulate to a item that has 1 use.

 

[Uzor]

Yet the true arguement is the anonymity of both, and there's a % in both, sure one % is higher then the other, but there is still a % and there is still the anonymity issue.

I never argued the anonymity. I even agreed with you on that point. What I'm saying is that you can't compare buying bazaared Autumnstones with buying o. kote from the AH. Because of the difference in the chance of buying from RMT.

 

[Blazeoffury]

I never argued the anonymity. I even agreed with you on that point. What I'm saying is that you can't compare buying bazaared Autumnstones with buying o. kote from the AH. Because of the difference in the chance of buying from RMT.

As long as the Chance is there, it is the same arguement with different numbers.

 

[Bajaratt]

yes there are more rmt claims then legit. That why I dont have pair of okote, that and that only job that can use them is my 37 nin which I have no intension in lvling. You still cant compare item that circulate to a item that has 1 use.

No, you don't have them because you have no use for them, not because they're RMT controlled. I've already addressed consumables before, learn to read moron.

 

[Blazeoffury]

No, you don't have them because you have no use for them, not because they're RMT controlled. I've already addressed consumables before, learn to read moron.

I say everyone just get Bandomusha Kote and be done with 'em.

 

[Firestreak]

Yes you have the choice, but you have to have some decent evidence that said bazaar is a seller before turning him down to look for another stone. Without evidence you are buying from an anonymous buyer with a % it could be RMT, the same thing you are doing on the AH.

It's a question of control not probability. When you're using bazaars you can control the seller but on the auction house you cannot. If when using the AH you could control which seller you bought from, if you were one of the small percentage of the server that actually gives a shit about RMT, then you could investigate if the seller is a RMT or not on any item that is RMT dominated.

 

[Bajaratt]

That could be seen by going here:

http://ffxiah.com/item.php?id=13952&sid=16&stack=0

I'm assuming Tunini is a gilseller. The others sell a far too wide variety of items that I'd guess they're legit players. And even then, that's 4 sold in the past 6 days, and 4 sold the past 25 sales.

that's 4/25 chance to buy from her, a gilseller, making it 4/25 chance, or roughly 16%, which isn't really all that high.

How many of those O kotes sold were sold after getting the drop? I'd be willing to bet very few besides those from Tunini.

 

[decidence]

I liked it when Sculli locked threads when they got so repetitive and boring like this one did 30 pages ago.

But now look what all you guys have done, this is now officially the most replied and viewed upon post to ever touch the QCDN flameboard... what a un-gratifying topic to hold that title, at least the Dua and BoL threads were entertaining.

 

[Uzor]

As long as the Chance is there, it is the same arguement with different numbers.

I give up. You're too stuck inside your own arguments that you can't read my arguments properly :wacko:

 

[Uzor]

How many of those O kotes sold were sold after getting the drop? I'd be willing to bet very few besides those from Tunini.

And that's my whole argument. Since people resell used kotes, there's more people that sell them besides RMT, thus lowering the % that you'll but from RMT.

You can't only count the ammount of drops sold. Those are only new kotes entering the economy. You have to count the 2nd, 3rd etc. hand sales.

 

[hellstorm]

I liked it when Sculli locked threads when they got so repetitive and boring like this one did 30 pages ago.

But now look what all you guys have done, this is now officially the most replied and viewed upon post to ever touch the QCDN flameboard... what a un-gratifying topic to hold that title, at least the Dua and BoL threads were entertaining.

rdm melee flame went to 105 pages back in the day

 

[Bajaratt]

And that's my whole argument. Since people resell used kotes, there's more people that sell them besides RMT, thus lowering the % that you'll but from RMT.

You can't only count the ammount of drops sold. Those are only new kotes entering the economy. You have to count the 2nd, 3rd etc. hand sales.

Ok, so it's still a risk of buying from RMT, just a lower one. While not a comparable chance, I don't think anyone was saying that they had the same chance of being from RMT; just that if you're willing to gamble with O kote, others might be willing to gamble with other things.

 

[hellstorm]

No, you don't have them because you have no use for them, not because they're RMT controlled. I've already addressed consumables before, learn to read moron.

Difference is that consumable are made by everyone and there is no bots or wrong doing use to create them. Yes they have store bots, but you cant claim them you pretty slow. Also you can farm them. There also big difference between 11-15k and 6-8 mil gil. Also the point consumable are a necessary while uli stone is not, your entire point is moronic at best. If they are responsible for prices of oils/prisms then I most thank them there at the lowest they been since beginning of the game.

edit even if i lvled my mnk and sam I would either farm kote myself or barrow from a friend.

 

[hellstorm]

Ok, so it's still a risk of buying from RMT, just a lower one. While not a comparable chance, I don't think anyone was saying that they had the same chance of being from RMT; just that if you're willing to gamble with O kote, others might be willing to gamble with other things.

you talking about a 98% chance of buying uli stone to a 14% chance on o kotes that a big big big difference.

 

[Apu]

lol - this just gettin rediculous now

I liked it when Sculli locked threads when they got so repetitive and boring like this one did 30 pages ago.

But now look what all you guys have done, this is now officially the most replied and viewed upon post to ever touch the QCDN flameboard... what a un-gratifying topic to hold that title, at least the Dua and BoL threads were entertaining.

- Well it hit a nerve in our communtity on this server
- Kaizen was called out, they replied
- the community is crying out, SE won't listen
- I rather agree with cornivus, take the negative energy and email bomb
SE with it.
- i think its rather obvious that any opinion that you might have is falling
on deaf ears
- in a game that depends on groups & others, wth good does a flameboard
do anyway. Tears community apart if you ask me.
- opinions have been stated, accused have answered.

its quite obvious where everyone stands on this

 

[Uzor]

you talking about a 98% chance of buying uli stone to a 14% chance on o kotes that a big big big difference.

I do think its quite unfair to state the chance of buying a RMT stone is 98%