Stop buying Ulli stones, you *#%*tards

[Dagoat]

LoL all right Kaizen Flaming!!!

400 Reply, go go go!

I think they broke the 400 replies mark lol

 

[Reya]

Just looking over what Xan posted :3

Rotating HNM LSs at land king camps would rock the most awesome sock

 

[Firestreak]

These screenshots... they're hardly any evidence. Fygla blaming a Kaizen member for getting MPKed means absolute shit. It's exactly what I would have expected JDA to do at that time. In fact, and I'm sure that I've pointed this out in the other thread orginally concerning this matter, but I really felt they probably MPKed themselves to blame us for it, though who knows... maybe it was yet another LS!!!!

I don't see Fygla's claim as the reason as evidence. I just included them in the pack to illustrate the general notion of the people in the zone was that he did it, including the people from NH who were there getting ToD. It's not evidence alone.

As courtney pointed out, several people had access to that character. No, not several Kaizen people. Now, I didn't know Halflife at all, nor was I aware that anyone in our LS had access to that account. What I did know was that that several people did in fact have access to that character. From what I knew at that time, that even included people who were currently in JDA.

So JDA got MPKed by a random person, you got claim, the entire alliance was claiming Arcien did it and you didn't even inquire if he had access or not?

now for a history lesson...

I don't really care to go back and read all the pointless drivel throughout this thread, but someone had mentioned being one of the first groups to go up against the "evil JP." If by "evil JP", you mean linkshells such as JDA or HNMPT or Genesis Union, then I should point out that Kaizen was pretty much founded by NA players who were sick and tired of being treated unfairly in such LSs (players such as Nasya). As the first NA HNM LS on our server, our goal was to recruit skilled players approaching level 75 who wanted a chance at the gear and the gil that could only be earned through camping HNMs, without having to put up with the discrimination and favoritism present in the predominantly JP endgame LSs of that time. Nasya wanted us all to have the same chance as all the other LSs without having to be treated differently for not knowing Japanese. If you were around about 2 and a half to 3 years ago, you'll know that this was a big issue for NA players seeking endgame shells at that time.

I never remember calling the Japanese evil. My best friend in game who has been my static partner for almost 3 years has Japanese. It was one of your guys who brought up that Kaizen was the only LS to break out of the mold and paved the way for all the other linkshells.

To which one point I made, which is that OH was the first NA LS to bring down Fafnir, which included an MPK on us and us retaliating and MPKing back to finally get the kill. Kaizen came in to camp Fafnir after that, not before.

To the next point, who really gives a shit who was first and who did what? It's not like OH or Kaizen killing a big mob opens the doors for other linkshells. It's just another shell to fight for claim against regardless of the ethnicity of its members.

And by the way, I was around in that time, but I decided not to join any linkshells until I hit 75, which was before any of your members. By the time I had, I decided to join up with an NA crew because I'd already heard about the poor treatment of people like Gainsbrough. So I joined Jsoft and Nnep's shell. I was also in on the first NA kill of King Behemoth, btw, when it was downed by NA Fireblade.

Not all JP LSs were "evil." When Kaizen came around and first started camping HNMs, some Japanese LSs literally welcomed us to camps and went out of their way to tell us that they were happy to finally see an English-speaking LS at an HNM camp, and that they welcomed the competition. From this point on, we had expected only healthy competition. But It still took us months to even attempt camping fafnir.

The three biggest JP LSs back at that time considered each other allies. They would rotate camps, between Nidhogg, Aspidochelone, and King Behemoth. They would also borrow members as needed for each camp. I only recall one other LS, also JP, that countered this triple-LS alliance at all. The week we first tried to camp Fafnir, there really wasn't much competition for it. Countering the "evil JP" that first time around did not last long though. At that time we only really perceived one JP LS to be assholes, and it wasn't the JDA alliance. After a few camps that week, we were asked to join the JP alliance, as allies instead of countercamping them. For a short while we did just that, because it was how the King HNMs were treated back then. We camped Fafnir alongside JDA, and fought with them for weeks. Yes... I'm ashamed to admit this now. But as I said, it seemed like the right thing to do at that time, being that the only shells present at those camps during most of the week, were the ones who were a part of this alliance. After a while we also noticed that a new NA LS (OH), was now also starting to camp Fafnir.

After a few weeks of this arrangement, we felt really weren't being treated by the alliance as they had agreed at all. They would also constantly change the rules for us to conitnue as a part of that alliance as they saw fit. Anyway, we came to the conclusion (or at least I did!) that JDA, or at least their officers were racist pigs and also had no sense of fairness that did not solely benefit them. So the alliance between us was broken and we set out to do stuff on our own. We had to endure plenty of taunting and harassment on the part of JDA towards us; the usual "NA TOO WEAK!" nonsense of that time. JDA said we'd not be able to kill Fafnir on our own. For a short while we did not come back to Fafnir though, instead we we tried for Tiamat, which only JDA had killed. It was a quite a task and took us several tries back then, we really did not have the manpower or tools available to JDA, or LS on other servers. Kisada pretty much came up with a new strategy for killing it which made it much easier for us to do so with what we had. As opposed having everyone crowd around Tiamat as if it were Fafnir, PLD tank it with Aerial Armor, and rely on Chainspell Stun and two hours to kill it, which is what all LSs across all servers did at that time. Once we were comfortable with this strategy we pretty much monopolized Tiamat, since we could kill it before JDA ever even got wind of it being up, and we returned to Dragon's Aery and showed them we were perfectly capable of fighting wyrms on our own, despite their taunting. I personally feel that this is the source of bitterness that people such as Fygla had for us, and they made it clear.

Ok.

Back at Dragon's Aery, the other JP shell camping fafnir was Genesis Union, who were also notorious MPKers. sometime after we had just returned to DA, JDA got MPKed by GU on nidhogg. All LSs present were completely wiped, except for us because we still had not dropped into the pit. Needless to say, we killed Nidhogg, to the discontent of all the other LSs involved. JDA MPKed us several times when we had Nidhogg. Back then there was no "/blockaid", mobs bound nearby attacked whomever was closest regardless of them not being in the party that held it claimed, and mobs did not despawn when aggro was lost. JDA took advantage of all of these things several times. They would bind spiders and the Malboro mob on us during Nidhogg fights. They would train spiders from both ends of pit and let them aggro us on the way back, they would cure us the entire fight and invincible towards the end and try to kite Nidhogg to cause spike flail. They did whatever shit they could and played as dirty as possible. Eventually we learned to deal with it better, and we managed to kill the HNM while having to deal with whatever shit they dealt us.

Sometime after all of these things is when the whole Halflife thing happened. Now I know I fail at keeping my stories concise, but my point to all of the above is that this explains why Fygla's word means shit. I don't know that other members of my LS feel the same. But I feel that JDA hated us because their leaders were racist asses, and we were the first NA LS to give them a run for their money. JDA would naturally blame us first because they hated the competition we gave them and because they were dishonest foul-playing bags of scum.

I'm not taking the MPKing on their word, rather because it seems obvious that's what happened to me. Furthermore I never said you'd have been wrong to do it. People push you, you push them back.

As for Prophecy reporting us, saying "only kaizen survived!" as if that was in anyway incriminating, I have a much shorter comment to make on that:

From what I remember Prophecy was a dumbass. So, forgive me if you worshipped him or anything, but that's my perception of him. Surviving an MPK when you're not the one being MPKed isn't that difficult really... I mean... if you know anything about spike flail.. you'd know that.. well.. it hurts! So we got the fuck out when we saw Fafnir going crazy, it doesn't really take much brains to run the hell away or escape, sorry if prophecy didn't think of that though. At this time Fafnir's spike flail still hit outside of alliance, though that has been adjusted since then (note: Nidhogg's spike flail still hits anyone in area as it was never changed!).

I don't worship Prophecy nor would I post his personal opinion as evidence. Although off topic, English wasn't his first language and his typing it poorly led to a lot of assumptions that he was pretty stupid, much in part to people who didn't know he was Spanish.

Either way, we had no reason to MPK JDA over Fafnir. I would think that if any of my LS mates had chosen this course, that they would have more sense than going through the trouble of MPKing JDA over a stupid fafnir. JDA never MPKed us over Fafnir, they only MPKed us over Nidhoggs. MPKing for Fafnir would have been really dumb since it wouldn't have made us at all even or avenged.

Assuming you wouldn't have approved of the MPKing I'd have thinked that alone wouldn't merit you not even investigating a little.

The last thing I'd like to point out regarding those screenshots is that the GM says he knows all of Halflife's characters, which means absolutely shit. To me all it means is that the GM is knows all of the characters in the same account as Halflife's, and Arcien is obviously a seperate account. It's not even a suitable response to prophecy's accusation.

Or all the characters that were accessed with the same IP as Halflife had just been using.

Either way, Fygla's and Prophecy's words are meaningless. What I think you're trying to say though, is that the GM is validating Prophecy, who said, "halflife=arcien." That isn't logical though. There's no way you can honestly say that that's proof, not only because it doesn't make much sense as a response to what prophecy said, but because it came quite a while after. You can see therere's plenty of lines of text between those two lines exchanged between Prophecy and the GM. In fact, there's even more lines you don't even see.

Look at the screenshots of the GM conversation and notice how the last lines of the first screenie, and the first lines of the second don't seem to follow. You can clearly see that there's something missing from the chatlog, because the actions you see don't match. There's obviously stuff in between. Otherwise just look at the slider on the scrollbar of the chat log. Notice how you can put the scroll bars side by side from each of the two screenshots, and they don't follow either, in the way that the second and third screenshots do. There's a block missing between the two screenshots. This also means that there's a gap of text missing from the chatlog. It looks like a full page of text that has been neglected. I wonder if that was done on purpose in order to deceive gullible readers. As I said though, I don't even see how that's relevant because to me it's the GM's line isn't a response to prophecy's accusation anyway.

The sliding bar on the chatlog will always move up as long as information is coming into the screen. A battle was going on with Fafnir and as you can see Prophecy's filters weren't doing much. A spike flail and that bar is where it's supposed to be. What wouldn't make sense is to be in dragon aery during a fafnir fight and for the bar to be static.

Either way, I don't know why I bother wasting my time reading, or even worse, writing this long-ass reply. I can't say I have a positive image of active posters of such forums. The reason being, I know there's no sense that can be talked into such people and anything and everything that is said, will always be mangled and turned around to further fuel such flames. It's kind of sad that now even I find myself giving you the time of the day. I mean... why bother arguing with people whose opinions are inconsequential anyhow?

Even if opinions of posters like you mattered, If one doesn't post a reply to accusations made against him, you can just say a response wasn't made because the accused is obviously so guilty he can't talk his way out of it. If that person does make a response you'll just say he immediately lashed out to say something because it "hit a nerve," as any competent troll would do.

I seriously doubt that people actually believe half the dumb shit they post themselves. Maybe I'm being naive for believing that no one can possibly be such an idiot, but I really think people just make things up as they go along because they have way too much free time; that reading and making up such ramble and provoking such squabble is all they have to entertain them.



Either way, to my fellow LS members: forgive me for speaking so freely on an open forum where words are more than just likely to be twisted by numbskulls. I'll try to refrain from doing so in the future. I do hope readers will note I have pointed out that these are my feelings alone and I speak for noone else.

Your opinion is your opinion. If you view the people of QCDN so lowly you have no obligation to post here. In fact, it would have been much better of you not to give inconsequential people such as me the time of day then to deliver to me a giant wall of text to decode and then throw at the end of it that my opinion is meaningless to you and that you feel you are too good to talk to me in the first place.

 

[Uzor]

Example... I hope your good with word problems.

BLACK SOLE the active ingredient in Sole Sushi or GIGANT SQUID the active ingredient in Squid Sushi (both fish consume ~95% of the recipe costs) has a 90% chance of being sold on AH by a RMT Fish Bot.

A. Linkshell buys 5 Autumnstones over the course of 3-4 months with a 80% chance of it coming from RMT.
The Math: 5 x 0.8 = 4 autumnstones bought from RMT for a total profit of 6M x 4 = 24M

B. Linkshell composed of 30 active Melees collectively buys 500 stacks (4-5 stacks per person per month) of Sole/Squid Sushi in the same time period with 90% of the food being created with RMT created ingredients.
The Math: 500 x 0.9 = 450 stacks and 450 x 30k = 13.5M

So guess what, both linkshells fund RMT! In B, maybe RMT's dont create the food directly but they are responsible for the ingredients. And in A, the same way that RMT don't create Byakko's Haidate or Kirin's Osode, their just responsible for the ingredients.

Every LS funds RMT in some way or another, claiming ignorance is not an excuse and is only a way to convince yourself that your not as bad as the LS that buys Autumnstones or any other expensive RMT dominated item thats sold directly in bazaars.

Wow, You really suck at math, don't you?

If you only go by the ingredients, you can't calculate the cost of the final results. You can only count the cost of Black Sole, otherwise you assume gil sellers sell all of the finalized results. Same goes with Giant Squid. That's like saying gil sellers gain gil through people reselling kotes they bought from RMT.

 

[Elemmire]

Just looking over what Xan posted :3

Rotating HNM LSs at land king camps would rock the most awesome sock

that's what the JP did, but it wouldn't work anymroe, far too many who want the same HNMs and whatnot and they don't always pop same time(though often do) and the whatnot.. oh how I wish it'd work though

 

[Skaw]

inc god KS99s with items nobody wants because they aren't the items the real ones drop.

 

[Legomyeggo]

Wow, You really suck at math, don't you?

If you only go by the ingredients, you can't calculate the cost of the final results. You can only count the cost of Black Sole, otherwise you assume gil sellers sell all of the finalized results. Same goes with Giant Squid. That's like saying gil sellers gain gil through people reselling kotes they bought from RMT.

From when deci says

both fish consume ~95% of the recipe costs

one could assume he just rounded up. I'm not sure how much the total cost of all the ingredients is, but if the black sole really is 95% of the recipe then rounding up probably would yield the best estimate. Buuuuuuuuuuuut, I don't know, I'm not a doctor.

 

[Reya]

it sucks too. I guess we couldn't treat HNMs like we do dynamis with some sort of corporation and order lol. It's a shame too. I honestly think if it did everyone wouldn't be so rawr at each others throats. Demand is high and supply is low :\ I wish SE when add in abj. to KS99s ><;

Anyways, sorry for the derail. Damn you lack of a perfect world! Anyways it is time for White Mage bed time! Nite QCDN!

 

[Candia]

Sole Sushi

Black Sole : ~10,000 stack
Tarutaru Rice: ~7800 stack
Ground Wasabi: 1945 each from Guild (on a cheap day)
Rice Vinegar: 150 each from Guild (on a cheap day)
Distilled Water: 12g

Cost per synth:
1 black sole : ~834
1 tarutaru rice: 650
1 ground wasabi: 1945
1 distilled water: 12
1 rice vinegar: 150

Total: 3591

black sole : 23.2%
taru. rice : 18.1%
wasabi : 54.2%
water : .33%
vinegar: 4.2%


I'm sure you can do the math from here.

 

[Uzor]

Very long post that I won't bother quoting as it'd just make the page even longer

I was round during that time. In fact, I've been around sicne NA PC release. So yes, I do know what happened. And Kaizen wasn't the first one to "go up aganst the almighty Japanese". Kaizen was a punch of wussies and teamed up wiht the Japanese, and in return they'd get to occasionally help them fight if they were low on members. The Japanese LS's would in turn throw them any left over bones for Kaizen to lot. We (OH) even talked to Kaizen about this saying it'd be better if you actualyl even attempted to claim instead of standing there looking pretty at camps. That it owuld put more pressure on them if you did. You refused, however, so OH was pretty much the only shell standing up against them. Don't turn it around and try to make yourself look like victims, and later heroes. That's far from the truth.

Even if opinions of posters like you mattered, If one doesn't post a reply to accusations made against him, you can just say a response wasn't made because the accused is obviously so guilty he can't talk his way out of it. If that person does make a response you'll just say he immediately lashed out to say something because it "hit a nerve," as any competent troll would do.

Obviously your opinion means nothing either then. Quite ironic how that works, no?

Either way, the reason I said he hit a nerve was for the extreme use of insults for no reason. Since Kisada obviously got upset over it, I obviously hit a soar spot.

I seriously doubt that people actually believe half the dumb shit they post themselves. Maybe I'm being naive for believing that no one can possibly be such an idiot, but I really think people just make things up as they go along because they have way too much free time; that reading and making up such ramble and provoking such squabble is all they have to entertain them.

Hello, Mr. Idiot

 

[Uzor]

His math is wrong. 1 stack of black sole makes 2 stacks of sole sushi assuming no breaks and no H.Q. That's 5k worth of Black Sole per stack of Sole Sushi. His calculation is 25k too expensive for each stack, since he's calculating the cost of only gil seller sold Black Sole.

As Candia posted, the Sole Sushi is 23,2% of the recipe, not 95% of it.

 

[Mishaela]

I seriously doubt that people actually believe half the dumb shit they post themselves.

And what about you? Your entire post consists of "holier than thou"s with not-so-subtle insults blended in throughout. It egotistical bullsh-!t like this that would actually qualify you as one of the worst posters to ever infect QCDN with their garbage.

 

[hellstorm]

His math is wrong. 1 stack of black sole makes 2 stacks of sole sushi assuming no breaks and no H.Q. That's 5k worth of Black Sole per stack of Sole Sushi. His calculation is 25k too expensive for each stack, since he's calculating the cost of only gil seller sold Black Sole.

As Candia posted, the Sole Sushi is 23,2% of the recipe, not 95% of it.

what funny is i I even check the history for black sole
http://ffxiah.com/item.php?id=4384&sid=16
notice that last bought black sole was on Nov. 9, 2006 03:23:22PM. Also look the historys of people none of them have the tell tells of a gilseller.

 

[hellstorm]

You cannot seriously be this stupid. In BOTH(food and Ulli stone) cases people are buying items from RMT, BOTH are being destroyed and something else is created(into food or gear from byakko), in BOTH you're supporting the RMT. They get less money by selling things cheaper, that's fucking obvious, but it's still supporting the RMT. They work on volume, however, since everyone needs food and other consumables, so while they might not make 1 mil per sale, they'll make over a mil a day in volume.

Unless you only buy from people who farm up all of their own ingredients(hint: that's no one) then you have a very, very high chance of buying something from RMT.

well look like I dont even have to reply it been said already. I leave it up to you to read it. Though to elaberate.. (ill uses squid because sole seem pretty legit) The crafter purchase giant squid from AH which gil seller provide, that is the profit gilseller make, they do not make jack from the price of squid sushi. Now look at uli you are directly giving gil seller 6mil gil. You have given them $159.39 (ige price for 6mil.)

uli stone cost / giant squid cost = number squids stacks needed to equal 1 stone

6,000,000 / 2,000 = 3,000 (amount of stacks of giant squid it take to get 6mil without tax)

6,000,000 / 1,500 = 4,000 (appox amount of stacks it take when including tax.)

That alot of stacks. Hell take 500 stacks just make 1mil. Notice the large margin of error.

 

[Kirayamato]

Oh god, I love talking stuff about Halflife. Using lame excuses blaming that JDA blames Kaizen cause we are racist? can you be more constructive? If you do not have proper facts, please refrain yourself from typing. It makes you some what silly.

Sorry Xan. I do not have anything but against you. I can't justify about early MPK as I wasn't parcipating any HNM hunts. All i know is that when i started coming, we have yet to MPK and that is after Halflife's incident. I totally disagree with you about JDA being racist and all which leads to blaming ascension *that time* for the Halflife's incident. If we were racist, why am I as a Malaysian in this ls for 3 years. Why do we even have NAs and EUs? That's for me to know and for you to find out.

For now, I would like to tell that this accusation was started by me with proper facts after immediate discussion with Halflife.

Firstly, I would like to lay down the facts of my early ls the MaresiaSlayers. MaresiaSlayers was a great ls consisting less than 20 active members majority from Malaysia, 1 Spain, 1 NA and 3 Indonesia. Mid last year, we started to collapse. Only 4 Members left Arcien, Ryeh, Jymmie and Me as others were busy with their finals and most of them have to go back to Malaysia from U.S. which prevents them from playing FFXI. That's our history and the ls atm is history. (/salute Razzu, Bijiq, Halflife, Evinkar, Siela, Rikkutl, Aizovina, Deathgaze, Sharktooth, Pikupi... we willl meet in Malaysia Kopitiam!)

By then, I was about 65 Ninja and soon I hope to be able to hunt we my fellow mates, noone wanted a 75 DRG since we had alliance. Anyhow, I saw Evinkar online several times afking in Behemoth's Dominion. I attempted to /tell many times and yet no reply. I emailed Evinkar and asked him to stop being an ass and reply to a lonely malaysian drg. He replied, laughed saying he is back in Malaysia and haven't been playing FFXI. Account is being taken care by Arcien. Arcien was supposedly pl his BST using Evinkar but I wonder why Evinkar is stationed in Behemoth Dominion. I didn't care as nothing bad happen.

On one faithful morning in Melbourne, while i was lvl-ing Ninja, JDA was spamming in ls chat... MPK MPK... Halflife [Found It!] I was obviously shocked. Knowing Halflife was away from FFXI due to lack of connection and credit card in Malaysia, it can't be the actual Halflife. Without any hesitation, I phoned, MSN and SMS Halflife about the character MPKing. Well knowing Halflife, Halflife laughs hard anything about MPK and asked who did the toon MPK and I said my god damn ls. I asked who did she passed the account too. Well well, Halflife said only Arcien has it. Then Halflife had given me the password to check where is the toon at and whose credit card. Toon is dead in Dragon Aery and Arcien was paying for the account. I explained the ls about this and there you have it. My ls did not disclosed about me telling this fact to anyone and guess who spammed me? Arcien. Arcien kept saying to me that the account got hack. I wonder how would he know... I gathered Halflife and Arcien to chat in MSN. Halflife ignored him in the whole chat, Arcien tried hard to convince me that the account got hacked. Pretty pissed and i was about to go university for lectures. Arcien concluded that the account got hacked and he is going to change the password. Password changed and given to me and halflife. Then the next day, noone was able log into Halflife. Account was mysteriously deleted. Password is invalid.

Halflife and I were rather angry. This is what Halflife had to say, "Meh this is only a game. I guess it is better to get screwed in game rather than real-life. If i were to see him in real life, I will point out and tease him. A man who screws his own high school friend for a notorious monster." Well I laughed hard as Halflife plans to remember to do this still Arcien's grandchild will know and say "OMFG, my grandpa is that low..."

As of today, there are only 2 other Malaysians other than Arcien and Me. If you want to know how despicable this sad person is, you can ask Masamura and Darkrose. (Maaf, tercakap nama korang hehee <3 Masaruma & Darkrose)

And this is what i have to say if you ever ask me based on my past experience. I have spent more time together with the ls members compared to him being a LS leader. His own high-school/college friend Razzu has higher respect to me rather than our leader. He has given me everything to keep. As of today, my mule still has everything Razzu have given to me as I hope and still hope, he comes back except 2 items, Scorpion Harness and Amemet Mantle +1 (those times it was pretty expensive) Well I told Arcien about Razzu's departure from FFXI and he was shocked. He scolded Razzu for not giving anything to him. Well Razzu then scolded me for telling Arcien about him leaving and gave me the choice to borrow him the items. Since i got my own Scorpion Harness and Amemet Mantle+1, I let Arcien use those items. He wanted Flame Ring too for his War but i didn't give cause that is the only item that is above 2M and I would like to use it on my DRG. After that Halflife incident, I asked him to return Razzu's gear to me as his hand is too dirty to handle my friend's gears. Sadly I checked the history and he sold the harness. The Amemet Mantle +1 is still equipped by him. I didn't get fuck by him a lot. I thanked god. If I ever knew him in real life and spot him in Malaysia after my degree here, I would kick his sorry little Islam's ass straight to Neraka (Hell).

That's all. Have a good day.

Edit:- Replying as a MaresiaSlayer member. This issue involved this ls and I told you everything that is needed to know and what me and halflife reacted and responded.

 

[Zalbag]

And what about you? Your entire post consists of "holier than thou"s with not-so-subtle insults blended in throughout. It egotistical bullsh-!t

Anyone who knows Xan knows this couldn't be any further from the truth. Xan is one of the nicest people on our sever and your ignorant miss guided rants are highly uncalled for. Everyone's going to have different takes on the whole jp/na issues from back in the day. Xan and most of the people who were doing hnm back then feel that they were treated unfairly by jp players back then. And they most likely were.

The players who are defending the jp players most likely made strong bonds with a couple of them and thus were treated better. I don't think anyone once said OH didn't contribute to the NA move into hnm camps. I'm pretty sure it was someone twisting words around which happens so often on this bored. What was said was kaizen was one of if not the leading shell in NA's move into hnm's. I don't think that can be denied.

like this that would actually qualify you as one of the worst posters to ever infect QCDN with their garbage.

Um, Hellstorm?

Now back to the actual topic of the thread. It all comes down to that fact that it’s Ulli. No one here cares about kote, hides, food, and the list goes on and on. These things do not affect you directly so you turn the other cheek. Because every sky shell cannot avoid Ulli it directly affects you. So you decide to care on this matter.

If it isn't bad enough that Ulli can take over 15 hours to spawn you have to deal with consistent rmt hacks and cc. There is absolutely nothing anyone can do about Ulli's spawn time, so naturally people attack the next obvious reason for the problem, rmt. Naturally you cannot stop the rmt from cheating or being at Ulli so you decide to take it out on the people who are purchasing some of their stones.

Everyone refutes that AH and bazaars are the same, which they're not. They refute that buying kote is not the same as buying autumn stones, which it is not. They deny that buying food, hides, and other sources is the same as buying autumn stone, which again they are not. But no two things in this world are. Doesn't matter if it's and identical twin or a mass produced item, those 2 items are never the same. But there are however enough similar characteristics to compare the two.

Your claims to the AH being different then the bazaar is that you cannot tell who sells the items, thus you can hide behind ignorance. We buy from lv1 bazaars not knowing for sure if they're rmt, thus we hide behind ignorance of whose character it is. Do we realize that we're taking a strong chance that that bazaar is rmt? Yes, and we're willing to take that chance, just as you are every time you purchase from the AH.

Saying we cannot claim ignorance because no one in their right mind would sell a stone is similar to saying that kote I’m buying off the AH just might not have been one farmed by rmt. Even if the one you buy happens to be from a legit source chances are rmt did farm it. And I know rmt do not see 1 gil from that item but it does not change the fact that it was originally farmed by rmt and rmt use cheats. I find that an important fact to point out because many people have stated that buying stones is not the problem, buying from known cheaters is.

Here is were I take the Firestreak defense. I don't like rmt. I don't like that they cheat. I don't like that I wont go camp a NM to save me some gil because rmt are always there to cheat and increase the chances of wasting my time. So I'll pretend they don't exist. As long as I don't know the item I just bought was from rmt, I don't care. But if I'm about to buy a kote in BD and someone says that character is rmt I won’t buy it.

The fact of the matter is we're all hiding behind ignorance and to claim ignorance is not an excuse (Hellstorm) and then hide behind it yourself if to be a hypocrite.

Now Hellstrom, you may have had trouble understanding the topic of this thread. So let me point it out for you.

I've heard from current and former members of your LSes that you have paid gil to RMT because apparenty you're too damned lazy to camp for claim yourselves.

You people are only perpetuating the problem. If you stop giving them gil RMT WILL STOP CAMPING ULLI because it'll be a waste of their time.

This thread is not about buying autumn stones. If it was this thread wouldn't have had much effect. Simply because there would be no question of morality or hypocrisy. It would all be going on about how we're to lazy to camp ulli ourselves.

This thread is about supporting rmt activities. Now I’ve said it again and again but it seems you need me to say it once more. Gil to rmt is still gil to rmt. It doesn't matter how much or how little, you're still feeding the rmt thus encouraging them. I have no problems with you buying your food of the AH and claiming ignorance. Pretending like every stack you buy just fluked out and were from legit players. But if you wish to claim ignorance you forfeit your right to claim ignorance.

 

[Kirayamato]

Zalbag, like i said in my post.
I have nothing bad against Xan.
However, he choose to bring up such event to make rumors which is using Halflife's incident to make JDA racist, I will personally shoot him down with the truth.
This sad event is soo long ago.
Looking back on this, it only makes me laugh hard and sad on how much a nerd would give up just for some lame monster. Such a miserable soul.

P.S. Whether the public would like to acknowledge this fact, it is entirely up to you all. I have played my part of revealing the truth and what was done in the process of revealing the truth (like what i did last time). This is already in the past. I learnt a lot from that which is to trust your friends wisely or less... LOL...

 

[hellstorm]

This thread is not about buying autumn stones. If it was this thread wouldn't have had much effect. Simply because there would be no question of morality or hypocrisy. It would all be going on about how we're to lazy to camp ulli ourselves.

This thread is about supporting rmt activities. Now I’ve said it again and again but it seems you need me to say it once more. Gil to rmt is still gil to rmt. It doesn't matter how much or how little, you're still feeding the rmt thus encouraging them. I have no problems with you buying your food of the AH and claiming ignorance. Pretending like every stack you buy just fluked out and were from legit players. But if you wish to claim ignorance you forfeit your right to claim ignorance.

why I not surprise you still don't see it. There huge huge monomaniac thing you you not getting. Uli stones is a battle we as a community can win. Food, kotes other things like that we can't do anything about (except maybe kick some Square enix arse.. what i can dream) Uli stones can be solved with one very Simple thing. DON'T BUY FROM BAZAARS!! Go to the source, find groups that you know sell stones(if you can) and buy it from them directly. It a win win situation. You get you stone, rmt don't get there money from you. I been saying this entire thread that you can't compare any other item in game to that of uli stone because either A) it a item that people use, and when done resale, or B) is a item in which come from so many source that it impossible to know who you buying from.
Here the kicker though you not even trying to avoid rmt, that what make you hypocrite. we may not be able to beat rmt, but we can at least make it sting.

 

[Uzor]

I'd love to see Kaizen's responce to your post Kira

Even if the one you buy happens to be from a legit source chances are rmt did farm it. And I know rmt do not see 1 gil from that item but it does not change the fact that it was originally farmed by rmt and rmt use cheats. I find that an important fact to point out because many people have stated that buying stones is not the problem, buying from known cheaters is.

This is still wrong. I've mentioned it several times. It doesn't matter if RMT farmed the item if a legit source sells it, since RMT makes no profit from it. Even if RMT's didn't exists, about the same ammount of kites would still have been farmed by legit people. Thus, that argument doesnt hold up.

 

[Kirayamato]

Oh god, I just finished talking with Halflife about some hot news happening in Malaysia *Mongolia Model shot twice and blown to pieces*

I mentioned about this MPK and Halflife was like... I already threw my FFXI cd...

HAHAAA

Edit:- Lmao, i was browsing through my MSN and I still have our chat in History. Too bad it is in malay