Stop buying Ulli stones, you *#%*tards

You know, the most ironic thing, are those that buy gil and then buy stones with the bought gil from RMT.

You know they're out there, somewhere, across all servers. Although I guess the same thing applies to all items.
 
decidence said:
A. Linkshell buys 5 Autumnstones over the course of 3-4 months with a 80% chance of it coming from RMT.
The Math: 5 x 0.8 = 4 autumnstones bought from RMT for a total profit of 6M x 4 = 24M

B. Linkshell composed of 30 active Melees collectively buys 500 stacks (4-5 stacks per person per month) of Sole/Squid Sushi in the same time period with 90% of the food being created with RMT created ingredients.
The Math: 500 x 0.9 = 450 stacks and 450 x 30k = 13.5M
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Heres a more accurate assessment:

These are estimates based off convenience factors and low guild prices.
Black Sole - currently hovering ~8900, so 10k is a generous number
Ground Wasabi - can only be bought from tenshodo, 1945 - cheap day
Rice Vinegar - tenshodo shop only, 150 - cheap day
Distilled Water - 12 gil
Tarutaru rice - 7800 gil (convenience factor)


Total for 1 synth: ~3,591 gil

Cost to synth 1 stack: ~21,546
AH Price of 1 stack (6:00 PM PST) : 24,000

Total synths from 1 stack of materials: 2 stacks

Net profit for 1 stack of materials: 4908

(500 stacks x 0.9) * 4908 profit = 2,208,600

*this doesn't take into consideration the AH fees either


You never assume what you want to show. Thats the first rule of proofs in mathematics.
 
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Artem said:
get that WoW guild crap out of here :(
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actually this only game in which it not called guilds
 
Zalbag, with all due respect, his initial response regarding that Kaizen thing (I personally don't care about that matter) came off fine.

However, this:
Xan said:
Either way, I don't know why I bother wasting my time reading, or even worse, writing this long-ass reply. I can't say I have a positive image of active posters of such forums. The reason being, I know there's no sense that can be talked into such people and anything and everything that is said, will always be mangled and turned around to further fuel such flames. It's kind of sad that now even I find myself giving you the time of the day. I mean... why bother arguing with people whose opinions are inconsequential anyhow?

Even if opinions of posters like you mattered, If one doesn't post a reply to accusations made against him, you can just say a response wasn't made because the accused is obviously so guilty he can't talk his way out of it. If that person does make a response you'll just say he immediately lashed out to say something because it "hit a nerve," as any competent troll would do.

I seriously doubt that people actually believe half the dumb shit they post themselves. Maybe I'm being naive for believing that no one can possibly be such an idiot, but I really think people just make things up as they go along because they have way too much free time; that reading and making up such ramble and provoking such squabble is all they have to entertain them.



Either way, to my fellow LS members: forgive me for speaking so freely on an open forum where words are more than just likely to be twisted by numbskulls. I'll try to refrain from doing so in the future. I do hope readers will note I have pointed out that these are my feelings alone and I speak for noone else.
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Is an entirely unecessary attack on the entire community. I don't care how nice of a guy he is IRL or ingame, this entire segment of his post screams high horse. It's actually crap comments like this that make me regret the FB coming back in the first place, 'cause there's snots that come prancing in, look at the FB, and assume the entire community is based off crap like this [the topic]. Even worse when they turn their noses up and get off saying others' opinions don't matter yet they think their own opinion somehow does.

Gimme a break. If the person wants to show they truely don't care they needto stop damn posting. Stating crap like they don't care or making jabs at the entire community is not only hypocritical, but is in fact also putting themselves in the very category they're trying to insult.



Sorry if this upsets you Zalbag, just felt I should point that out.
 
Candia said:
Heres a more accurate assessment:

These are estimates based off convenience factors and low guild prices.
Black Sole - currently hovering ~8900, so 10k is a generous number
Ground Wasabi - can only be bought from tenshodo, 1945 - cheap day
Rice Vinegar - tenshodo shop only, 150 - cheap day
Distilled Water - 12 gil
Tarutaru rice - 7800 gil (convenience factor)


Total for 1 synth: ~3,591 gil

Cost to synth 1 stack: ~21,546
AH Price of 1 stack (6:00 PM PST) : 24,000

Total synths from 1 stack of materials: 2 stacks

Net profit for 1 stack of materials: 4908

(500 stacks x 0.9) * 4908 profit = 2,208,600

*this doesn't take into consideration the AH fees either


You never assume what you want to show. Thats the first rule of proofs in mathematics.
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They fish bot it.
 
Let's not forget that they have to take the gil they make which requires them to use that account for a month fishing and convert it til money. Then they have to subract 12.50 out of that which they spend on the account for that month. When you're playing with smaller numbers like sushi RMT it's a much bigger chunk than campers of ulli stones.
 
Firestreak said:
Let's not forget that they have to take the gil they make which requires them to use that account for a month fishing and convert it til money. Then they have to subract 12.50 out of that which they spend on the account for that month. When you're playing with smaller numbers like sushi RMT it's a much bigger chunk than campers of ulli stones.
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don't forget the extra one dollar for the extra characters that they may have for alliases when selling items and for lowerlvl farming or storage of items
 
Arkangel said:
don't forget the extra one dollar for the extra characters that they may have for alliases when selling items and for lowerlvl farming or storage of items
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easyist way to tell if it gilseller is to check his ah history. Checking black sole you see that the people there are camp more things then just fish, unlike giant squid where you can clearly see the gil sellers.
 
Doesnt look like Kaizen wants to reply to Kira's post. :P
 
Some of their members have said their piece, others have said their piece.
There's not much that can be done on both sides since I'm guessing their minds are already made up on this subject of the matter.

People will buy things whether from bazaars or from the AH and that will always be the same. Morals or ethics are not the one and the same for everyone and that's normal.
It depends on what you consider is ok or right or wrong.
Thats the bottom line, unfortunately.

People have been making the same points over and over and from my point of view, its going to be endless unless everyone drops it.
Yes, there will be RMT around us and perhaps we have to accept the fact that some of them will stay.
It is up to each and every one of us on how we make our decisions, or attain one's goals in this game. Technically, it should be no one's business, really.
How one person may attain a piece of gear may not be agreeable to another.
That one person would not care as long as he/she got what they wanted.

Let's just say...some gil seller was selling the Kirin's Osode for lets say 1 mil...
Would you buy it or no?
Tempting idea isn't it? (I know it doesn't get put up for sale that low but I'm just trying to make a point...)
Now if some of you can afford it would you buy it even though you know it's a gil seller bazaaring it?
Some of you may say flat out no, I'm pretty sure.
Others may have to think about it for a while lol.
I've seen people use others as stepping stones to get what they want....
I wouldn't be surprised if someone does buy that Osode off from that gil seller.
When people see opportunity, some will toss their morals/ethics away just to get farther in-game or what they want.

People will criticize others for their accomplishments.
Jealousy? Maybe. Frustration? Perhaps.
However, once you attain your goals you won't really worry as much as you did before.
The fact that the RMT do all sorts of things and I have seen a particular group of them doing such things such as hate-hacking or flee-hacking to get what they want is probably what's pissing people off.
It certainly pisses me off >.<
If they didn't, not many people would care if they even existed is my guess.
There wouldn't be so much animosity towards them.

Now if only the special task force would IP ban them or something...
That's a far off dream but that sure would be nice >.>

So much to say on the matter but I think it's better for me to just put a lid on it.
 
Why are you bringing Integralis into this? Do you guys really think we're a linkshell full of racists? When we remade JDA (because of internal issues with Serise), the name took us a couple weeks to decide on. Fygla and I decided that we would start with a name that would mean "united" because in the Endgame scene, we felt integralis is the most diverse group serverwide (integral or integralis for latin means belonging as a part of the whole). That being said, if we're a bunch of racist why do we have members from all over the globe? We can camp kings 24-7 every spawn, every king because of this uniqueness in spreading out our memberbase's timezone.

I've spoken about our past, hate us for it if u want, but i'll mention a particular fact about this LS.

We've lost a lot members since i've been a part of this LS, mostly from players quitting FF but also others who have decided that endgame isnt fun anymore (lost a of E, M, A body players). That being said we've lost ONE member to a rival shell. Out of all our NA, EU, JP players we've lost ONE member to a rival shell (this doesnt include the people we've kicked due to breaking LS rules ie. Kaine). Many of our members are from rival shells, you might call them sellout or whatever but they join and stay. I dont know about you, but if i'm called an American unskilled tooweak pig everyday I'd probably leave that LS/organization. If i want to be an ass i'd leave after i got my items. I can say that our LS does talk trash, but not like the stories i've heard from members who have migrated from rival Linkshells.
 
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Wow long ass thread, big topic, skipped thru about 75 of them to the end, clear to see opinions, views, and few ppl throwing in accusations without evidence and implying without truth is present. Goes to show ppl will always throw their 2 cents in to make a point seem worse. Lets all face it, RMT's net worth in gil makes an Ulli stone look like a pinch when it comes down to it, so they'll never gonna go away

Im sure everyone has seen new RMT's being PLed, i've seen them shout for Genkai help all the time, this is never-ending cycle, and as it goes on, th ey'll start to expand out more, so thinking that buying from this is gonna make them stop, don't waste ur time. SE aint fukin stupid, they know wuts up, but they wont totally eliminate the problem.

Oh J, wheres my genie? =p
 
I guess so...reply 1020 to end it all ftw!
 
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