Stop subbing thief, for the love of god

Mishaela said:
Totally tanking PLD/SMN. Shining Ruby for more defense, Healing Ruby for even more curing power. Now we're set!

Ninja is the most widely used subjob for many job because it gives more survivability to your character a whole - it lets people not hold back as much as well as not need to rely on someone nearly as much to save them if they grab hate. It's more a convenience to the entire party than it is the person subbing it, really.

Making Utsu: Ni 38 would break Ninja as a subjob and make it virtually worthless. A more logical approach would to make it so Utsusemi has a percent chance the real person gets hit instead of the shadow, proportionate to how many shadows are even left (i.e. you+ one shadow = 50% chance you still get hit, you + 2 shadows = 33% chance you still get hit, etc.)

It only makes sense...




Regarding /THF vs /WAR, dead horse. WAR makes for more damage whereas /THF is more of a hate transfer tool. If the tank doesn't have hate issues, /THF is pointless. If he does, /WAR is hazardous. /THF isn't at all useless, it's just generally not needed since if there's a hate issue, the party can typically get a THF main, thus...making subbing it totally uneeded.

P.S. Need more lowbies subbing RNG or DRG.
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Actually, the OP was about subbing thf before 60, so trick attack isn't even available. I have to agree with the OP, subbing thf before 60 is a waste of time, all it does is make your weapon skills look a little better while your DoT sucks.

No offence but people aren't going to change their trends just because of what one person says, hell even if you've got alot of people on your side against them it still most likely won't have an impact on them.

I'm not saying I disagree with you, in fact I couldn't agree with you more, but i've been arguing this case in game for quite a while now and it's changed nothing. You're wasting your breath.
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While arguing on a forum isn't likely to change their minds, me not inviting them for not using another sub or even kicking them for not changing would.
 
is blu an exception to this?

before I go on an offhand sword farting shadow clones spree for exp?
 
In BLU's case, it's more about /NIN vs. /THF than /WAR vs. /THF.

The general mentality being - if you can /THF and not be an MP sponge (and hate is consistent enough that pulling off SA is viable), do so. If not, /NIN. Which means typically /NIN (or /WHM, pre-24) at lower levels, /THF (or sometimes /NIN) depending on quality of tank at mid levels, and /NIN at high level burn parties.

Oh and, agreed with whoever mentioned /DRG and /RNG. They're both really nice and really overlooked melee subs for 20-29 (though /DRG isn't quite so good for one-hander melees).
 
no just one since you can only have one pet but you can have a pet and a npc=)
 
that was my plan when i 1st heard about this game but they denied me of my dreams...That and when I learned fire I tried to burn down the star tree in windy ^^
 
I know people want their parties to be successful, and to be successful people need to cooperate. But, I believe if the party works, with the sub-jobs that people use, then let them use them. Its the play-style that people enjoy. Regardless of how insignificant the SJ is, if its what they enjoy playing as, then let them do it. Were all here to have fun, right? This game is fun because you should get to play it how you want. I know Im probably gonna get rate downs or w/e just for saying this, but people need to stop making FFXI a job, and start making it a game.

If you dont want other people to play the way they want to, dont invite them to party. Leave them to LFP or solo.
 
You are all way wrong...
The only job worth subbing is....
/COR why? Because of Corairs Roll that's why.
Who cares about Berserk or Utsusemi or SATA.
Just give the whole pt a Corsairs roll and DD.

As far as /SMN, this would never work, you know why? No Meteorite....
 
/COR sub is really, really gimped. You don't get Job In Party bonuses. THF, NIN, and RNG can't even make use of the Quick Draw to use card shots either, since that ability is level 40.
 
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Skaw -.-.........



I was being a smart ass......
 
exodusamphi said:
What if your WAR/???
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Well, obviously you can't sub war. That's another thread entirely.

But, since you asked, I like to sub thief for WAR 30-48, although my gut tells me that +10 ACC from /RNG's {Accuracy Bonus} and sharpshot for acid bolts would be better than a critical hit every minute.
 
/drg. Jump, the only good cape before amemet's and 5% haste on your ear are pretty sweet if you can't sub war.
 
Selph said:
Skaw -.-.........



I was being a smart ass......
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Majority of people that replied to this thread don't have the words "Smart ass" or "Sarcasm" in their Vocab.
 
The vast majority of people subbing XXX on YYY (before LvZZ) are people who don't know what the word forum means, much less visit QCDN. The rest of them are in love with their sub and will refuse to change, even if it can be proven 50 different ways that a fetus dropped on the keyboard of a different sub will outdamage them.


And have you ever tried WHM/RNG? Pure destructive power.
 
Mai Ikari said:
The vast majority of people subbing XXX on YYY (before LvZZ) are people who don't know what the word forum means, much less visit QCDN. The rest of them are in love with their sub and will refuse to change, even if it can be proven 50 different ways that a fetus dropped on the keyboard of a different sub will outdamage them.


And have you ever tried WHM/RNG? Pure destructive power.
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WHM/RNG is for pussies, it's all about WHM/DRK. You can cure yourself to keep your soul eater strong!
 
Bajaratt said:
WHM/RNG is for pussies, it's all about WHM/DRK. You can cure yourself to keep your soul eater strong!
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Sidewinder does more damage than souleater... Assuming you don't have an Octave Club.
 
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