Student Secretly Taped Having Sex Kills Himself

[Kotsu]

I am extremely offended by this homosexual boy who even dared to ask his roommate for the apartment alone. Had he not been doing a disgusting sexual act then none of this would happen. He should have been more aware of his roommates right to be in that room when he wanted and it cost him his life. Remember that next time you want to have sex you gay perverts.

I'm in awe of the Caitros.

 

[Alereth]

I'm in awe of the Caitros.

Glad I'm not the only one. Really not quite sure how to even read that. Is he joking or is this all serious?

 

[Hexx]

Glad I'm not the only one. Really not quite sure how to even read that. Is he joking or is this all serious?

I'm very sure he's joking =P

 

[Suriou]

I haven't posted on qcdn for a while now since I quit FFXI but,
this news just disgusts me..
It makes me feel like there's no hope in the world today as a human being =\

 

[Hexx]

Well apparently, NJ authorities are considering add "bias intimidation" charges as well to augment the privacy invasion charges already on the table, whether or not that will all stick is up in the air though.

 

[Alereth]

Well apparently, NJ authorities are considering add "bias intimidation" charges as well to augment the privacy invasion charges already on the table, whether or not that will all stick is up in the air though.

It's a better strategy though. If you can't pin the murder to them, hit them with every other small, legitimate lawbreak in the books to make them suffer.

 

[Lukas]

Hold the phone, Mavis... You mean to say Jersey is not the standard for human decency or tolerance? Well colour me surprised.

 

[Georgebobbilly]

Hold the phone, Mavis... You mean to say Jersey is not the standard for human decency or tolerance? Well colour me surprised.

I'm betting that color is spay tan orange.

 

[alanon]

The two should be charged with gross invasion of privacy. Beyond that? Unless something else comes out, it should end there. I have sympathy for the kid and what was done to him and the immature act of his roomate angers me, but the sympathy ends when he jumped off the bridge.

 

[Halifirien]

Sex advice columnist Dan Savage launched the "It Gets Better" project on YouTube to offer at least some small measure of support for gay youth who think suicide is their only option. We've made great strides toward equality over the past few decades, but the culture warriors of the religious right are still doing their best to make sure it stays nice and toxic for future generations of gay kids.

 

[Zyndara]

This whole issue has also made me aware of The Trevor Project as well, which is dedicated to education and the prevention of suicides among LGBT and Questioning youth. For anyone who is interested, their website is http://www.thetrevorproject.org/about-trevor/organization.

 

[Dancingweapon]

So a string of popular youtubers have been making videos for the teens considering suicide. People like Shane Dawson, Lisa Lavie and Vassy have been doing it. These are all awesome people and it's really great they are doing this. Shane is such a sweet heart.

 

[Zyndara]

Also a lot of celebrities speaking out on the issue as well (in a spoiler so it's not RAWR on your screen):

Spoiler:

As sad as this tragedy is, hopefully some people can be reached through people like those in DW's post and the folks above. I firmly believe that silence is the same as consent. People need to be having these discussions. People need to find a way back to some form of "live and let live" and stop being such complete douchebags to each other all the time.

 

[Hexx]

Also a lot of celebrities speaking out on the issue as well (in a spoiler so it's not RAWR on your screen):

Spoiler:

As sad as this tragedy is, hopefully some people can be reached through people like those in DW's post and the folks above. I firmly believe that silence is the same as consent. People need to be having these discussions. People need to find a way back to some form of "live and let live" and stop being such complete douchebags to each other all the time.

In regards to the bolded section: seriously, what ever happened with that? People used to let each other be and go about their daily lives. Now some people seem to think that even the private aspects of your private life have to be made public. I mean if we cant even have privacy in our own homes/rooms then whats next? It's as if kids nowadays are even more desensitized to the feelings and needs of others, and if you dont "fit in" with the crowd then you will be harassed and bullied to no end.

 

[Guppy]

...What does 4chan have anything to do with this?

Even though Valandil meant it generally, there's a rumor going around that Rhavi actually was a chan-tard. Wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Tok]

I'm betting that color is spay tan orange.

I lol'ed

in all honesty though i really don't get why people think they have the right to butt into someones life like these fuckin pricks did...if you have any other opinion about someones sexuality than 'I don't give a fuck' then there are some questions you need to ask yourself.

honestly if you have such a problem with someones homosexuality it means you are uncomfortable with your own sexuality

i mean cmon, who are the biggest speakers of anti homosexuality? those twats who are caught porkin little boys or with male escorts or are caught using the glory hole in a public stall...

this shit needs to stop. seriously

 

[Elemmire]

I think civilized world and the fact we don't need to worry as much about survival has led people to being too nosy in how other people lived :| That's why live and let live seems to be gone.. blah.

 

[Pompidou]

I don't know that the results should affect the punishment. For example - you videotape this kid and post it on the internet, and he commits suicide. It's certainly wrong, and it's definitely a tragedy - don't get me wrong. It's horrible that this happened. That said, you videotape some other guy, someone who doesn't give a damn, and he just shrugs it off, and nothing would come of it. Charge the people for the same crimes you'd charge them for if the guy didn't off himself. Otherwise, you might find yourself trying to scrape up frivolous charges every time someone commits suicide. The offenders here were wrong, but trying to make this into a backdoor murder trial isn't right. It's not murder. If you said, "How's your wife," to some guy who just lost his wife, and it flipped him over the edge, it'd be just as much murder. There was no intent of murder in either case. A person who is willing to kill himself would've done so eventually anyway, I imagine. So, invasion of privacy charges, are about where I'd stop in this case. On a side but related note, I also believe there should be no difference in penalties between attempted murder and murder. The results shouldn't affect the charges. In this case, we're trying to fabricate charges because the victim was less mentally stable than average, and in the attempted vs successful murder case, we're just rewarding incompetence.

 

[Strid]

In regards to the bolded section: seriously, what ever happened with that? People used to let each other be and go about their daily lives. Now some people seem to think that even the private aspects of your private life have to be made public. I mean if we cant even have privacy in our own homes/rooms then whats next? It's as if kids nowadays are even more desensitized to the feelings and needs of others, and if you dont "fit in" with the crowd then you will be harassed and bullied to no end.

There never has been any form of "live and let live" in our society as a whole. It's just an idealistic view shared by some, nothing more or less. Trace back through the years and it's always something. That being said, if we could ever achieve that it'd be great, really great.

You're also acting like your own privacy has somehow invaded by this circumstance, citing you for: " I mean if we cant even have privacy in our own homes/rooms then whats next?" We can have privacy in our own homes, just as much as much as anything else that should be afforded, saftey coming to mind first. However, a coincidence of error can always take place. Just because some lady is robbed in New York doesn't mean my home in Texas is any more safe or less safe, the short, shit happens. Also, kids have always, always been insensitive little shits for the most part. Maybe you got lucky in where you went to school, but of the many schools I went to, bullying and what not always took place. When I was goin' through the school system finding someone not of the mindset that "if it doesn't effect me who cares!" was about as rare as they came. Even meeting and dealing with various kids now, it's more or less the same.

All that said, and to touch on the subject, I hate that the weak kid went and did this to his family. However, very few are the dorms on campus that allow sex in the rooms. Had he adhered to this rule, assuming Rutgers dorms abide by the majority of standards others do, he could have spared himself the ordeal. I also agree with Pomp and the few others who've said, anything past invasion of privacy is a stretch. If you want to charge them with some form of attempted murder, or even murder, you'd also have to look at the situation in reverse. Had the kid, instead of offing himself, snapped the other way and killed the two pulling the prank instead of himself, would you excuse him for murder? Don't be idealistic, be real if you answer that.

 

[Zyndara]

If you want to charge them with some form of attempted murder, or even murder, you'd also have to look at the situation in reverse. Had the kid, instead of offing himself, snapped the other way and killed the two pulling the prank instead of himself, would you excuse him for murder? Don't be idealistic, be real if you answer that.

The fact is based on our legal system, it wouldn't BE murder. It would be manslaughter. Murder requires not only the intent, but the deliberateness of planning. Manslaughter is when there is proven provocation that could cause someone to temporarily lose control. And the simple answer is that actions have consequences. I think that what those two did to Tyler Clementi is absolutely heinous, and I could see how a person humiliated and vulnerable could be driven to do something out of character (like, i don't know... suicide?), but I also firmly believe that all actions have consequences. A life is a life, and if it had gone the other way, I'd be expecting no less than prosecution and the situation would be no less tragic than it is right now.

Pomp, regarding what you said... the problem with what you're saying is that there's an assumption that people can take a beating and just keep on ticking. We're all built differently and I'm sure there's some out there who can. But the majority of people have limits to how much they can take. That's the whole problem with bullying. You can see it even on this site, that there are people who delight in being assholes for the sake of doing it. Because they can. Because it makes their balls feel big. But you take a young teenage girl in a new school just trying to fit in and mock and tease and torture her relentlessly, or a homosexual mild-mannered college student who made a false assumption of privacy and forcibly humiliate and out him, and there are consequences. That's not an "oh, I've been walking around all day with my fly down" kind of thing. That's an earth-shattering, oh my god, my life just exploded kind of deal. And that's an overwhelming amount of pressure and emotion to process all at once. It's harassment at the very least, but I think when it reaches that point... when someone has driven someone to a breaking point just to be a dickhead, then yes, I think they need to be held accountable for the fallout.