Sorry for rather late and horribly lengthy post but I try toavoid these.. however reading it as a Whm I had to point out a few problems.
Moriki said:
RDM melee outside of soloing (pt situations) at pretty much any level, is nothing but free TP for the target.
I melee'd in dunes (of course, most do) then put sword away aside solo for good. However one boring PT I decided to pull out my melee DD gear since the pt was mostly goofing off, maybe 3k an hour at 60... but good friends.. I landed every debuff, then tossed on melee gear.
PLD hits mob for 36 damage.
Windaria hits mob for 32 damage.
Additional effect: The mob takes 15 points of damage.
I understand SOME mobs get TP and its very bad, but most no one cares.. and not free, as rdm can out DD Pld aside for WS's (though if both stick to Spirits Within it would be sorta close)
Khidir said:
=/ to me I see it as a transition phase, not a constant but at those lvs i mentioned its really best if you do, you have a lot more responsiblity.
I would like to see a rdm that can haste refresh x3-5ppl debuff(still sticking), and mbing and sub/main healing.
If they can do that well in one single measly fight then they put a bit too much effort to the pt and will eventually over exert themselves
I agree with this, it's exhausting WITHOUT melee, I can't imagine doing it all and meleeing however, think of conditions.
Ninja tank = no Blind, Para, or Slow.. Whm can Dia II, leaving you with Gravity, Refresh, and MAYBE Haste. I say "Maybe" because with a Ninja, if the WHM is not hasting at least the tank and two melee, you have a problem. Therefor Rdm has VERY little to worry about, and until 60+ AoE moves are pitiful with Stoneskin/Phalanx.
Sandria said:
Truth be told-- lower levels pre-refresh a summoner has more main healer potential than a white mage. Larger MP pool, auto-refresh, and the same gear choices as a white mage. Top that in the fact that your options for healing are approximately the same-- as I stand firm in the fact that a white mage should not use their highest cure in most cases unless end of battle.
(A lot was well said but its huge and this is the part I disagree with)
Smn is -never- a better whm than a whm unless you have a very skilled Ninja with very pricey gear.
Cure II Whm = 11 Cure II Smn = 22 .. try main healing Goblins or Pugs with Cure I
Regen Whm = 21 Smn = lol42. Regen is the gift of life from aboev. I live by it and see this is where Smn and Rdm truly fall behind. Regen saves LOADS of mp.
Cure III is another spell Smn's do without for a LONG time.
Erase Whm = 32 Smn = 64. Behemoth's Dominion, Crawlers Nest, and East Altepa are just some examples before Refresh. Atk Down will slow pt to a crawl. Slow will destroy a Ninja. Eva Down will hurt a Ninja pretty bad. Erase isi a life saver.
Most importantly to Ninja's, which people say Smn can do very well... Haste, Whm get haste at 40, that makes a whole new game.
Prothall said:
And as for Zer's last post- summoners do NOT lack as main healer- I think they are actually better main healers than whm. But only when you have a NIN tank. Heres why: They can use BPs like earthen ward that help out NIN tank way more than a whm sitting there using regen III and having nothing else to do while NINs shadows are up. Granted this is only if you have a good ninja and a good smn.
Read above, and consider Flash between shadows as far superior to some miniscule half-hit Stoneskin.
Kyr said:
Try partying with a SMN & RDM. RDM have haste too...
That's neat, too bad it's at 48 and Whm get it at 40... But hey at that effect lots of Blm(subbing Rdm) get Dispel too so hey you dont need a Rdm or Brd for that.
Note: I am not knocking Smn main heal, I do it myself because the massive MP pool tells me one thing. "I can cure a lot.." with 60sec on BP's (if viable at all) what else is there to do? Juices + Cookies = long time healing fun with ease.. as long as the mob doesnt do more than 30/round XD
