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The Japanese website has a survey form to fill out of what characters and themes you would like to see in the game.
 
Moriki said:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=614099482561654250&q=ice+climbers
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A) i didn't think that video was honestly that impressive, the only impressive part is their throw combo, which can be done by multiple other characters.

B) it was a completely unfair match. If you wacth the person playing ice climbers is using the wave dash (a bug in the game) whereas the guy he is fighting in every fight (that i ahve seen i only watched 1/4) never used the wave dash once and was below average.

I was honestly expecting you to show me two uber players battling it out and ice climbers winning but it was a pro vs a noob and the result actually confirmed my opinion that ice climbers are unbalanced and would be better if they were one character like the others.
 
Moriki said:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=614099482561654250&q=ice+climbers
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I must know who plays the music in this video, I simply must

A) i didn't think that video was honestly that impressive, the only impressive part is their throw combo, which can be done by multiple other characters.

B) it was a completely unfair match. If you wacth the person playing ice climbers is using the wave dash (a bug in the game) whereas the guy he is fighting in every fight (that i ahve seen i only watched 1/4) never used the wave dash once and was below average.

I was honestly expecting you to show me two uber players battling it out and ice climbers winning but it was a pro vs a noob and the result actually confirmed my opinion that ice climbers are unbalanced and would be better if they were one character like the others.
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Dude, are you stupid or just blind? Watch the video again, most of the opponents did use advanced tactics. Watch the Fox and Falco fights especially closely.

And the reason the Ice Climber throw combos are so deadly is because they can end with a 100% untechable Smash that WILL be fatal. The only other character that can do that is Fox, because his neutral up+A is so powerful.

Oh, and not all tournament fights are pure back-and-forth dead even play, and if you rewatch some of the clips in that video again, you might note that there are several clips where the Ice Climber player is BEHIND on Stocks, which would mean that obviously the Ice Climber isn't "dominating".
 
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There are several other characters that have throw combos similar (jigglypuff and peach are two examples i believe.) just look up an "elite" SSBM website/forum and they will happily describe how much they rock in detail with relation to throwing combos.

I still stand by that they were very basic. A) no wave dash which is a "pro" move (which admittedly i don't use as its a pain in the ass and i consider it cheating as it basically breaks the games physics) and B) idk maybe i just rock but i swear that a level 9 CPU is ALOT harder than the people playing the game and that i could pwn them with releative ease.

Also i admit that i am biased because one of my brother strategys on SSBM is to get himself seperated from nana and let her act on her own inflicting damage as i try and ignore her and get to him. Such a weak strategy proves an inbalance in the way they work that should be sorted out if nothing else.

Also on IGN forum i beleieve it was 75% of people wanted to remove Ice Climbers...so its not like i'm alone.
 
Rinoah said:
There are several other characters that have throw combos similar (jigglypuff and peach are two examples i believe.) just look up an "elite" SSBM website/forum and they will happily describe how much they rock in detail with relation to throwing combos.

I still stand by that they were very basic. A) no wave dash which is a "pro" move (which admittedly i don't use as its a pain in the ass and i consider it cheating as it basically breaks the games physics) and B) idk maybe i just rock but i swear that a level 9 CPU is ALOT harder than the people playing the game and that i could pwn them with releative ease.

Also i admit that i am biased because one of my brother strategys on SSBM is to get himself seperated from nana and let her act on her own inflicting damage as i try and ignore her and get to him. Such a weak strategy proves an inbalance in the way they work that should be sorted out if nothing else.

Also on IGN forum i beleieve it was 75% of people wanted to remove Ice Climbers...so its not like i'm alone.
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But they so cute! ^-^
 
Rinoah said:
There are several other characters that have throw combos similar (jigglypuff and peach are two examples i believe.) just look up an "elite" SSBM website/forum and they will happily describe how much they rock in detail with relation to throwing combos.
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People also thought Zappa was absolute bottom tier in Guilty Gear X2 until one person figured out a handful of terrifying combos, including at least one near infinite combo. There are still GGXX players who don't think Zappa is good, but he's easily upper middle tier if not close to top tier. And yes, I'm aware that other characters can do long throw chains, but again, Ice Climber is dangerous because they can end the throw chain with an untechable KO move.

I still stand by that they were very basic. A) no wave dash which is a "pro" move (which admittedly i don't use as its a pain in the ass and i consider it cheating as it basically breaks the games physics) and B) idk maybe i just rock but i swear that a level 9 CPU is ALOT harder than the people playing the game and that i could pwn them with releative ease.
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They DO wave dash! Re watch the video, especially the Falco and Fox segments. Fox is considered top tier in most SSBM circles, and the Fox snippet's player uses a lot of advanced movement tricks, including wave dash.

And "Cheating"? Check out www.sirlin.net and then cry some more, please.

Also i admit that i am biased because one of my brother strategys on SSBM is to get himself seperated from nana and let her act on her own inflicting damage as i try and ignore her and get to him. Such a weak strategy proves an inbalance in the way they work that should be sorted out if nothing else.
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No, your brother proves that SSBM's characters are engineered so well that people can come up with a lot of interesting strategies for fighting...

Also on IGN forum i beleieve it was 75% of people wanted to remove Ice Climbers...so its not like i'm alone.
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You think IGN is any kind of authority on anything? IGN's boards are almost as bad as GameFAQs... at least the people on GameFAQs have some idea of what they're talking about.
 
Damn, you people are obsessive.

I like the uniqueness that Ice Climbers added, giving the ability to control 2 characters at once.

Edit: This is not an Ice Climbers discussion thread, which I actually find quite boring.
 
I dont care what anyone says, Mewtwo is easily my top char (well, along with kirby, but, most people use him anyway). You would not beleive the juggling you can do with Mewtwo untill you see a pro actually do it.
 
Tagrineth said:
People also thought Zappa was absolute bottom tier in Guilty Gear X2 until one person figured out a handful of terrifying combos, including at least one near infinite combo. There are still GGXX players who don't think Zappa is good, but he's easily upper middle tier if not close to top tier. And yes, I'm aware that other characters can do long throw chains, but again, Ice Climber is dangerous because they can end the throw chain with an untechable KO move.



They DO wave dash! Re watch the video, especially the Falco and Fox segments. Fox is considered top tier in most SSBM circles, and the Fox snippet's player uses a lot of advanced movement tricks, including wave dash.

And "Cheating"? Check out www.sirlin.net and then cry some more, please.



No, your brother proves that SSBM's characters are engineered so well that people can come up with a lot of interesting strategies for fighting...



You think IGN is any kind of authority on anything? IGN's boards are almost as bad as GameFAQs... at least the people on GameFAQs have some idea of what they're talking about.
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In Britain we don't call it an interesting strategy we just call him a lame and proceed to hurt him.

Also i honestly don't see how you can view the wavedash as anything other than cheating. It lets you dash forward rapidly and attack at the same time. It breaks the games physics (believe it or not you were not supposed to air dodge into the floor) and if it was supposed to be a viable move then it would have been incorperated as an actual move instead of a bug. Now i honestly don't have problem with people using it; if you need that sort of advantage then go ahead, but i choose not to use it as I personally consider it cheating and have much more fun playing with my friends when i beat them using skill instead of the latest bug i found on the internet.

I only quoted IGN's forum due to it being the only poll i have seen. I would be willing to be however that if you posted a similar poll here you would get a similar result.

You claim they are good because they and follow-up their combo throw with a smash...if they are unable to kill a person at 100%+ damage without taking significant damage then they rely on that throw too much and should try learning how to actually play instead of just spamming the Z trigger.

You are entitled to your opinion, however i beleive the ice climbers are a poor character to play as (usually considered the boobie prize should we be choosing eachothers character for fun) and it would not harm the game in any significant way if they were to no longer be apart of it.
 
The "tiers" that people assign to characters in Smash Brothers are completely irrelevant to at least 95% of the players. The only time it ever comes up is during tournaments where exploiting glitches is expected and practically required to not die in the first few seconds. Luigi is by far my favorite character to play as, but he's considered "low tier" regardless of the fact that I can play him well. I'm going to be pissed if he's not in the Wii version(Haven't seen him yet), all I want them to do is remove the "sissy punch"(running + A) and Luigi will be just about perfect to me.

Ice climbers sucked, unless you are a tournament player and you use all of those glitches, they sucked. I can understand trying to find some way to determine the "best" characters in the game. But basing them on their ability to do infinite combos or how easy it is to exploit game mechanics is not a legitimate method of doing so and nor should that standard apply to people who don't play that way.
 
That video was fun to watch, but you can do that stuff with Jiggly. You kick me into the air, or get to close, I use dreameater, your dead
 
Pasquale said:
I was late for work this morning because a friend of mine had sent me the trailer this morning and I watched it three times. The new characters are awesome, but its always gonna be Mario & Pichu ftw.

Other characters I've always wanted to see in Smash Bros:
MegaMan (I would drown in my own giggles)
Dante (devil may cry)
Fighter (final fantasy)
Lara Croft? (I figured I'd throw a chick in there so as to not sound sexist)
Zeke and Julie(?) from Zombies Ate My Neighbors (to replace the lame ice climbers)
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I definitely wouldn't mind seeing MegaMan tossed in there... maybe in place of Falco. I hate hearing.. "Falcon PUUUUUNCCCH!!!" every 5 seconds....
 
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