Thank you DynamisEpitome!

Zerayla

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For being so considerate that you didn't have the decency to respect the schedule of another shell, who you have in the past, pushed their entry time.

Earlier this month, RidersOfRohan (dynamis) posted our schedule on QCDN as with all to other shells. Before our schedule was posted, I checked the other shells that run prior to us. I made sure that before our schedule was posted, there would be no conflicts to save the headache of having to ask another shell to rework their schedule.

A few days later, DynamisEpitome finally gets around to posting their schedule and a conflict is noted. They're planning to do Beaucedine Glacier 3hrs before our shell is scheduled to enter. If they actually enter on time, and get all extensions, they would be delaying our shell by 30 minutes. (Because we've dealt with these guys before, I knew that they probably wouldn't enter on time and the delay would actually be MORE than 30 minutes)

So, I PM their leader Dalkiel. I ask if they could try and schedule a different zone, so that our shell does not get delayed. They have THREE Beaucedine runs for the month of october, versus our ONE run.

(For those that don't know, our shell runs once a week so we get a total of 4 runs per month versus other shells that get double that)

The response I get is "No, our leaders don't want to get another zone. We will try to exit on time, but we might run late".

Unfortunately, that doesn't sit well with me because a good majority of our shell members are on EST, and because our entry time is midnight, this often has them staying up until 3am. Any delay on our entry time is really bad, because we lose members before the run is finished which ultimately hinders our progress. We try to be very understanding and when members feel that they are reaching their limits, we have no issues with them bowing out before the end of the run, especially if we've entered later than expected.

Anyways, tonight is the night and I decide to wait a little before talking to their leader Dalkiel. But eventually, 20 minutes until our shell is scheduled to enter, I decide to ask him how much time he has left.

Their shell is already 15 minutes into our time slot, and expected to get at least another extension. This is going to delay our shell by 45 minutes.

I ask if they would mind exiting at midnight (which is our entry time) and explain again, that we are limited on our runs for the month in comparison, and would greatly appreciate that.

The answer? "No sorry we can't".

Sorry my ass.

So thank you DynamisEpitome for being so considerate of the other shells, the other 30+ people's time you are wasting because you guys

1)Didn't enter on time obviously (all extensions should make you only 30 minutes late)
2)Even TRYING to resolve the conflict prior to tonight, considering you were PMed both by myself and the moderator for the Dynamis scheduling forum.


I know that in all technicality no shell or player "has" to go by the schedules on QCDN, but the decent and respectable ones do. I guess we know at least one of the leaders for DynamisEpitome doesn't fit that category.:nono:
 
Our run times are 3 hours apart. The run takes 3 hours... GTFO and quick being a little bitch about it.
 
Our run times are 3 hours apart. The run takes 3 hours... GTFO and quick being a little bitch about it.

We're going to enter about 45mins late. I don't know about you, but I think that's quite a bit of a wait.
 
I love how you guys don't bother to work with us, especially since we posted our schedule in advance of yours and made the effort.
 
We're going to enter about 45mins late.
1. That's not that long
2. We apologized for us entering late causing you to enter late and all you wanted to do was bitch about it and then threaten us by flaming us on QCDN
3. You're still bitching...
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I love how you guys don't bother to work with us, especially since we posted our schedule in advance of yours and made the effort.

Post times:
DynamisEpitome-October - September 23rd, 2008, 06:47 PM

RoR - Tentative October Schedule - September 24th, 2008, 11:20 AM

Pretty much it right there. Almost a full day in advance, they shouldn't have to switch their time (DE shouldn't) because you want to run later.

I haven't taken a look at dynamis run times since I don't play anymore and could care less, but if you only run once a week couldn't you just change days? If you consistently have issues with them just switch days.

We're going to enter about 45mins late. I don't know about you, but I think that's quite a bit of a wait.

Well according to Zerayla you were planning on a 30 mins wait anyways dude to extentions and so 15 more mins isn't that bad. I can't remember how many times my dynamis shells were all on time ready to go exactly on the min we planned to run, but I do know it wasn't very often.

Oh but sorry, this has nothing to do with me so I'll leave it at that.
 
45 minutes is long. Especially when you add on another 3.5hrs for the run that is meant to happen.

Usually, if remorse is felt and apology is made, you do something to make up for what you feel you are apologetic for. The leadership for DynamisEpitome didn't make any effort to work with us, despite being contacted 2 weeks prior to this run. Even when asked tonight if they could at least zone out so that our shell could enter on time, we were given the same non-caring attitude. I mean afterall, its their shell that is being inconvenienced right? So why should they care.

And I don't see how my post above was "threatening". It was a sacastic thank you for being really inconsiderate. (Directed to leadership, seeing as its their call)

Yeah it is bitching. What's your point there?
 
Well if you look at the DE thread it seems like they tried to work something out but one shell in the end was just like hay guise f00k j00 :\
 
Post times:
DynamisEpitome-October - September 23rd, 2008, 06:47 PM

RoR - Tentative October Schedule - September 24th, 2008, 11:20 AM

Pretty much it right there. Almost a full day in advance, they shouldn't have to switch their time (DE shouldn't) because you want to run later.

I haven't taken a look at dynamis run times since I don't play anymore and could care less, but if you only run once a week couldn't you just change days? If you consistently have issues with them just switch days.

my mistake, i thought we had posted on the 23rd because in our leader's section we had our schedule up before that time and i thought it was posted here by then, too.

however, regardless, it's hard to transplant 30+ people's schedules to another day because of irl. also, other shells have been infringing on our time, too, but at least they are willing to work with us for a reasonable entry time.

saying bug off is just plain rude.
 
Post times:
DynamisEpitome-October - September 23rd, 2008, 06:47 PM

RoR - Tentative October Schedule - September 24th, 2008, 11:20 AM

Pretty much it right there. Almost a full day in advance, they shouldn't have to switch their time (DE shouldn't) because you want to run later.

I haven't taken a look at dynamis run times since I don't play anymore and could care less, but if you only run once a week couldn't you just change days? If you consistently have issues with them just switch days.



Well according to Zerayla you were planning on a 30 mins wait anyways dude to extentions and so 15 more mins isn't that bad. I can't remember how many times my dynamis shells were all on time ready to go exactly on the min we planned to run, but I do know it wasn't very often.

Oh but sorry, this has nothing to do with me so I'll leave it at that.

Just wanted to correct you here, our shell has been running for more than 2 years. Their shell started up after ours, and selected their time. Our shell runs late BECAUSE no other shell does, which gives the opportunity to west coast players to actually have a shell to join and participate in this event.

We were not "planning" on a 30 minute wait either. I never got a response from their leader when I PMed him asking if their shell would at least let our shell enter on time if they weren't going to bother changing zones.
 
1. That's not that long
2. We apologized for us entering late causing you to enter late and all you wanted to do was bitch about it and then threaten us by flaming us on QCDN
3. You're still bitching...
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45 mins isn't that long? Maybe after playing this game for so long and waiting around, it might not seem too long, but waiting around for 45 mins is pretty long. All I did was point it out. #2 I had nothing to do with. Our leaders talked with your leaders. I just stood there, never said much, was gonna go get some Jack in the Box but meh. 3rd.. Damn I'm hurt, you called me emo. I'm still not bitching. I'm standing out in Beauc playing FFIV. 45 mins may not be a lot to you or me, but for some people it is quite a lot of time.
 
For being so considerate that you didn't have the decency to respect the schedule of another shell, who you have in the past, pushed their entry time.

Earlier this month, RidersOfRohan (dynamis) posted our schedule on QCDN as with all to other shells. Before our schedule was posted, I checked the other shells that run prior to us. I made sure that before our schedule was posted, there would be no conflicts to save the headache of having to ask another shell to rework their schedule.

A few days later, DynamisEpitome finally gets around to posting their schedule and a conflict is noted.

Post times:
DynamisEpitome-October - September 23rd, 2008, 06:47 PM

RoR - Tentative October Schedule - September 24th, 2008, 11:20 AM

Whoops. I mean, we've all seen that particular groups aherance to decency, but try not to lie when the facts are easily checked.

But hey, at least they didn't ninja your dynamis drops!
 
Whoops. I mean, we've all seen that particular groups aherance to decency, but try not to lie when the facts are easily checked.

But hey, at least they didn't ninja your dynamis drops!

I already admitted my mistake, I should've fact checked that and double checked.

Regardless, the issue of decency still stands.
 
I already admitted my mistake, I should've fact checked that and double checked.

Regardless, the issue of decency still stands.

The issue of "Hey guys, can you give up 30 minutes of northalnds drops just because we couldn't check zone availibility when we made our shedule? You know, because we're more important than you."

That issue? Its kind of what you get when you post your shedule a week before the month in question. Epitomie managed to fit in all the runs they wanted without conflict with anyone else, till you posted your own shedule trying to get into one of the zones they had chosen. RoR is the only shell they're conflicting with, and that's only because RoR posted AFTER them.

RoR isn't the party in the right here.
 
RoR isn't the party in the right here.

This. You posted after DE. It doesn't matter if DE started their shell a month ago(Which they didn't) You posted your monthly schedule AFTER them.
 
Our schedule was posted before DynamisEpitome. Before I posted it, our shell knew which zones we needed, and I arranged the order based on what other shells had already posted so that there would be no conflicts. However, I couldn't do this because DynamisEpitome didn't post early enough.

The issue of who posted first though, in any case doesn't matter. Schedules are posted so that shells can resolve conflicts. They made no effort at all do this.

Either way, they've shown that they (leadership at least) don't share the common courtesy that other shells do, which is to try and work something out. My last PM as well as the posts made in the thread went ignored, and nothing was stopping them from trying to offer up a solution to the conflict.
 
45 mins isn't that long? Maybe after playing this game for so long and waiting around, it might not seem too long, but waiting around for 45 mins is pretty long. All I did was point it out. #2 I had nothing to do with. Our leaders talked with your leaders. I just stood there, never said much, was gonna go get some Jack in the Box but meh. 3rd.. Damn I'm hurt, you called me emo. I'm still not bitching. I'm standing out in Beauc playing FFIV. 45 mins may not be a lot to you or me, but for some people it is quite a lot of time.

maybe you shouldn't blame the shell that entered before you. Maybe you should blame the ones scheduling your runs Chinis. Think about it. They had time to reschedule a different zone... Which to my knowledge, you don't have any real conflicts in fighting for zones. So really, think about it.
 
Jyak, get your facts straight. No one said they started a month ago, lol.
 
Jyak, get your facts straight. No one said they started a month ago, lol.

This. You posted after DE. It doesn't matter if DE started their shell a month ago(Which they didn't) You posted your monthly schedule AFTER them.
Bolded for emphasis. Read it.
Our schedule was posted before DynamisEpitome. Before I posted it, our shell knew which zones we needed, and I arranged the order based on what other shells had already posted so that there would be no conflicts. However, I couldn't do this because DynamisEpitome didn't post early enough.

The issue of who posted first though, in any case doesn't matter. Schedules are posted so that shells can resolve conflicts. They made no effort at all do this.

Either way, they've shown that they (leadership at least) don't share the common courtesy that other shells do, which is to try and work something out. My last PM as well as the posts made in the thread went ignored, and nothing was stopping them from trying to offer up a solution to the conflict.


Old September 23rd, 2008, 04:47 PM
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Dalkiel


DynamisEpitome-October
Tuesdays @ 6:00 PST:

07/10 Glacier
14/10 Jeuno
21/10 Valkurm
28/10 Xarc


Firdays 6:30 pst:

03/10 bubu
10/10 Xarc
17/10 glacier
24/10 Sandoria
31/10 Glacier


September 24th, 2008, 09:20 AM
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Zerayla


RoR - Tentative October Schedule
Tuesdays @9pm PST/12am EST

7th - Beaucedine
14th - San d'Oria
21st - Xarcabard
28th - Jeuno



Bolded those for you, you CLEARLY posted after them.
 
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