That was easy...TOO easy...

We give a shit thats why we are posting here, and its not just the ring its access to sea and limbus thats a big part of the reward to finishing cop.
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Okay, let me expand the whole "the rings will be useless soon" statement again and say "Limbus and Sea will be useless soon too" except for the smug satisfaction of actually having some chance at beating AV at level 90. And getting loot that's mostly overshadowed by better gear from other endgame activities. Woop.
 
Tagrineth said:
Okay, let me expand the whole "the rings will be useless soon" statement again and say "Limbus and Sea will be useless soon too" except for the smug satisfaction of actually having some chance at beating AV at level 90. And getting loot that's mostly overshadowed by better gear from other endgame activities. Woop.
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This. iiZerg is already cutting Limbus out of our official events schedule; something had to go, and Limbus had the least rewards vs time served now that various sets are available. Sea was already very much a "when we feel like it" situation, since torques are about the only reason to go, and while they're still good for now, Sea has never been a good time investment for most shells.

We'll be making our first level 80 attempt on AV this Friday tho', rest assured I'll be laughing my ass off at how bad we get raped at some point.

So.

The rings/earrings you get for beating CoP are still good, for now, for the most part. But, as mentioned by Tag, that will probably change. Unless SE makes the obvious step of allowing the rings to scale further, they will become obsolete, probably at the next limit break.

The irony about AV is that, by all appearances, the drops will be obsolete by the time the damn thing gets beaten.
 
I disagree to an extent.

Back before the first update that made COP easier, several people only had 2 jobs at 75. Back then it was alot harder and dead weight was alot heavier to carry. If you finished COP then you were considered decent at least. MANY people were unable to finish COP and were stuck at Snoll or Tenzen or w/e, if you read up did your research BOUGHT meds and followed instructions you should have won. If you are able to follow instructions in a set of missions, you should have no problem following instructions and playing your job correctly honestly.

AFTER the first edit and you were bitching about the difficulty, then you shouldn't be able to watch the COP storyline tbh. You flat out sucked.... NOW with the new edit, if you cannot beat COP... i dunno what to say.

FYI, I've been through COP start to finish, at least 5 times. 2 times before the first edit, 3 times after. The last time we went in to do COP we had PUP PUP DRG PLD WHM SMN, so honestly if you can't beat it with a normal setup... that is pretty sad.
 
my personal opinion but some things wont be replicated, we still use gear thats in the 20s, 30s and 40s because it's still competent at 75. Even if they did it wouldnt be much of an increase SE is very careful to step on and flatout make some gear of armor easily attainable stronger than some harder to camp get drop off of item.

I just dont see everyone having items better than defending rings and shadow rings honestly and if it is it wouldnt be leaps and bounds better see Elemental/Dark torque for aesir torque replacement. PCC or Ancient torque? Yeah probrably at 90s.

Also notice something SE did with abbsyea drops they put them in spots that werent used for relic I wouldnt be suprised by some magical miracle they wouldnt put an enfeeb+ mnd/int gear in legs or feet slot since shit they do use their brains for something suprisingly lol
 
Jeska said:
We give a shit thats why we are posting here, and its not just the ring its access to sea and limbus thats a big part of the reward to finishing cop.

Nah its more like my grandkids are staying at home getting spoon fed schoolwork with a hi-tech teaching aid by them to actually do all the work while they play some other video game....



Fine then go play a VIDEO game not a RPG that requires some effort and dedication and time, would you play a football game having no knowledge whatsoever about the sport, just want to be the best at the game cause you see others trying hard and having fun there?
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All I see here is striking a nerve because I disagreed. In regards to the first part, this had already all come up already where people pulled the egotistical "Well I had to do it the hard way not these kids don't have to that sucks rant rant bitch bitch fluffing my ego" types. This was my point. Most of the same people are saying the same thing again. Redundancy is already prevalent in FFXI, why have it on the boards too.

No one is getting spoon fed anything. Once again, you like many others Jeska, are focusing only the statements that validate your point and not the ones that disprove it. Not all of CoP was nerfed, thus leaving it to still be a challenge in order to complete it. In face, you don't get anything, not even Sea, without a good group. So no one is being "spoon fed" anything, but for the sake of so desperately wanting something to argue about, I think it's being grossly over-exaggerated.

As for your little quip about the video games vs football, the example... It actually doesn't even make sense if you were trying to put football to an analogy about CoP being easy. As to why you took personal offense to my post, I have no idea. It was not directed at anyone but for whatever reason, it sure got your panties in a twist so that's unfortunate.
 
I'd be very careful what you wish for. Upgrading current R/E gear sounds like a neat idea, but knowing SE it might involve killing 1000 Soul Flayers in Light Weather then reviving Aerith, killing her 100 times to get 100 Holy Materias and then trading 50,000 Alexandrite - repeat for every slot. Just saying. Might be better to have new end-game activties to replace obsolete ones. People can low-man some of the current end-game goodies, use it on their jobs to level to 99 and then skip off with their shell to bring down level 120 things for cool stuff.

It's not like it's never happened before. Shit in MMOs becomes obsolete all the time! That's how they keep you playing.
 
A bright side to this I do like very much is the ability to go through and actually explore the Aquaducts and Sacrarium without the risk of being eaten alive.
 
Lukas said:
I'd be very careful what you wish for. Upgrading current R/E gear sounds like a neat idea, but knowing SE it might involve killing 1000 Soul Flayers in Light Weather then reviving Aerith, killing her 100 times to get 100 Holy Materias and then trading 50,000 Alexandrite - repeat for every slot. Just saying. Might be better to have new end-game activties to replace obsolete ones. People can low-man some of the current end-game goodies, use it on their jobs to level to 99 and then skip off with their shell to bring down level 120 things for cool stuff.

It's not like it's never happened before. Shit in MMOs becomes obsolete all the time! That's how they keep you playing.
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Even better would be a random upgrade to those slots Lukas. Imagine 100 Soul Flayers in light weather w/ Staff kill shots only for HP +5
 
Lukas said:
I'd be very careful what you wish for. Upgrading current R/E gear sounds like a neat idea, but knowing SE it might involve killing 1000 Soul Flayers in Light Weather then reviving Aerith, killing her 100 times to get 100 Holy Materias and then trading 50,000 Alexandrite - repeat for every slot.
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as long as it doesnt involve fighting the horrid things you've been using for sigs i can handle it. lol

the things i find funny is the "obsolete gear" statements. that's been happening ever since the games creation folks. example. when you hit lvl 40 on sam, nin, or mnk the standard body piece is a JuJitsu Gi. now fast forward 17 lvls. that precious Gi is then made obsolete by the SH. but for those 17 lvls the Gi is pretty nice to have is it not? Tang's silly little gear rant makes it sound like nothing currently in use has any value what so ever now. all this speculation about gear making the rings and sea gear obsolete is foolish in my eyes for 2 reasons: 1.) you can't even use this superior gear for several lvls after you get the CoP stuff and 2.) you don't even know what will be made in the first place.

even if you grind your butt off to reach the uper lvls, whats so bad about a free +5 str/dex store tp+ and subtle blow+ giving ring. plus no one even knows if SE will even make rings that give more then 5 str at a time. all this rage over speculation makes me laugh. wait till you know what will happen before you get mad folks.
 
oh and about the SH. fast forward 2 more lvls and its then quicly replaced by a Hauby. almost forgot about that. and the SH isn't obsolete because, like all other equipment used prior to the lvl you can equip something better, it serves the purpose it was designed to.
 
Zaltana said:
as long as it doesnt involve fighting the horrid things you've been using for sigs i can handle it. lol

the things i find funny is the "obsolete gear" statements. that's been happening ever since the games creation folks. example. when you hit lvl 40 on sam, nin, or mnk the standard body piece is a JuJitsu Gi. now fast forward 17 lvls. that precious Gi is then made obsolete by the SH. but for those 17 lvls the Gi is pretty nice to have is it not? Tang's silly little gear rant makes it sound like nothing currently in use has any value what so ever now. all this speculation about gear making the rings and sea gear obsolete is foolish in my eyes for 2 reasons: 1.) you can't even use this superior gear for several lvls after you get the CoP stuff and 2.) you don't even know what will be made in the first place.

even if you grind your butt off to reach the uper lvls, whats so bad about a free +5 str/dex store tp+ and subtle blow+ giving ring. plus no one even knows if SE will even make rings that give more then 5 str at a time. all this rage over speculation makes me laugh. wait till you know what will happen before you get mad folks.
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Zaltana said:
oh and about the SH. fast forward 2 more lvls and its then quicly replaced by a Hauby. almost forgot about that. and the SH isn't obsolete because, like all other equipment used prior to the lvl you can equip something better, it serves the purpose it was designed to.
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Amen brotha! PREACH ON!
 
Whaddya mean my Onion Sword isn't good to 75? :shok:
 
Alereth said:
Whaddya mean my Onion Sword isn't good to 75? :shok:
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no just use ifrit's blade at 80, its what the cool people do onion is fine until 65
 
From way back on page 2, but:
Tagrineth said:
Base stats are literally half as useful as derived stats. RNG is like the only job (unless you count pulling BRD...) that genuinely benefits from Osode at all, and even then there are better, easier-to-obtain body pieces for all situations.
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Osode was SAM's best Y/G/K piece until very recently, when the Shadow Breastplate came out. It's still the best WS piece that is obtainable with moderate effort. It isn't as useless as you make it out to be, really...


As for the rest of the topic:
Congratulations, guys! We did it before it the level cap removal, and we had shiny rings to prove it for years. It's time to move past that, and open it up for those who don't have the time or ability to find five other competent players who haven't already finished it or are willing to revisit mission hell.

I have a couple of friends who have been stuck on CoP missions for years now, since their play time is more limited due to real-life requirements. Last week we spent a few hours getting through a number of missions, and it was very, very nice to see some real progress for a pair of people who are honestly trying to improve their respective gearsets. This isn't benefiting only the morons.
 
And what about this Abyssea bullshit? Now any job can get over 40k/hour XPing... in an alliance? And get a quality set of level 78 gear in the process? Fuck that. THIS GAME HAS GONE SOFT AND WE WILL NOT STAND FOR IT
 
CubsWoo said:
And what about this Abyssea bullshit? Now any job can get over 40k/hour XPing... in an alliance? And get a quality set of level 78 gear in the process? Fuck that. THIS GAME HAS GONE SOFT AND WE WILL NOT STAND FOR IT
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Remember when Macho Man gave Hogan the "Reviving Elbow"? Your UW Sig made me think of that.
 
CubsWoo said:
And what about this Abyssea bullshit? Now any job can get over 40k/hour XPing... in an alliance? And get a quality set of level 78 gear in the process? Fuck that. THIS GAME HAS GONE SOFT AND WE WILL NOT STAND FOR IT
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This was apparently a bug, and was fixed in the last maintenance.
 
can still do it, got blu from 78 with a 9k buffer to 80 with a 20k buffer in 5 hours and thing was that we still had extra time we just got tired
 
Nyosan~ said:
This was apparently a bug, and was fixed in the last maintenance.
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Sunday night I went in with an ally, we got ~120k in 4hours. Everyone left with 2hours of time in abyssea an extra 33k cruor.
 
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