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Deltas said:
have you check how much cost to craft? blamed crafter?? no one craft u go shout to buy like a whore and not getting it. idiot
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"I say, have you checked into the expense of crafting lately? Once you have done so, it is extremely unlikely that you will blame the crafter for the high price of goods. After all, if there were no crafters, there would be no goods to buy." --Idiot
 
Deltas said:
have you check how much cost to craft? blamed crafter?? no one craft u go shout to buy like a whore and not getting it. idiot
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What does money matter when you have a Ls bank to spend? That's right, I went there.
 
Actually, economics are why the gloves should be cheaper so the arguments above fail.

Random item: Earth Staff

Materials cost: 110k
NQ cost: SHOULD BE 110-150k. Actual value? 30k
HQ Cost: 460k

Now that is an easy(ish) HQ so it's understandable that the NQ sells cheap because of how common the HQ is.

I don't know prices of everything but let's look at Dusk Gloves.

Materials cost: 865k
NQ should cost: 865k-900k Actual value: 800k
HQ: I'm not sure, not enough on AH to judge but I'm pretty sure it's a sweet profit.

It's typical for the NQ to be CHEAPER than the materials because most crafters are lazy and impatient(do not take offense if this does not apply to you, obviously) and want fast cash.

Personally, I think selling under mats cost is STUPID and gives them zero room to bitch about anything.

The problem is, by losing so much money on NQ, they have to jack the HQ to a retarded rate. Paying 5-10x more for an HQ is pretty ridiculous. But, because people screw the crafters(or the crafters screwing themselves) that's how it will be.

So the gloves being that high is pretty shitty HOWEVER, you're using Cursed gear as an example and those will -always- sell regardless if they are jacked up or not because not only of the demand(nothing really better in the slot) and the fact the HQ rate is so abysmally low, NQ is the only way they make it.
 
Crafters quitting, synth materials used for other synths, the item not being in high demand due to only being needed by certain jobs and that fact once you have one you don't need a carbon copy, etc.
 
very simple. If you don't have money then don't buy it.no crafter willing loss their own money to make your gear looks good. we simply don't give a fuck to none crafters.
You don't craft you won't understand 1/40 on T1 synths HQ. i'm sure some time bad luck on HQ happens to every high lvl crafters.
You people who can't craft won't make AH price fall! just think how many can you sell on 1 item. 1 or 2? undercut 1 or 2. Crafters make them. we can sell them as long as we happy to make!If no crafter willing to cut price.price won't fall or it will go back up. just face it.

and btw myrrh you stupid. you can't make me go away. you don't have the fucking power lol.whatever you say.I dont give a fly fuck about it. you are Invisible. end of story.
 
Neisan said:
Crafters quitting, synth materials used for other synths, the item not being in high demand due to only being needed by certain jobs and that fact once you have one you don't need a carbon copy, etc.
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people are keep lvling new jobs. that make them always buying gears.so this market won't die down.
 
Deltas said:
very simple. If you don't have money then don't buy it.no crafter willing loss their own money to make your gear looks good. we simply don't give a fuck to none crafters.
You don't craft you won't understand 1/40 on T1 synths HQ. i'm sure some time bad luck on HQ happens to every high lvl crafters.
You people who can't craft won't make AH price fall! just think how many can you sell on 1 item. 1 or 2? undercut 1 or 2. Crafters make them. we can sell them as long as we happy to make!If no crafter willing to cut price.price won't fall or it will go back up. just face it.

and btw myrrh you stupid. you can't make me go away. you don't have the fucking power lol.whatever you say.I dont give a fly fuck about it. you are Invisible. end of story.
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Hellstorm, A new challenger has appeared.
 
And I never said anything about making you go away. I'm just going to insult you till I get bored. I find it fun and there is nothing your fucked up grammar can do about it.
 
Deltas said:
very simple. If you don't have money then don't buy it.no crafter willing loss their own money to make your gear looks good. we simply don't give a fuck to none crafters.
You don't craft you won't understand 1/40 on T1 synths HQ. i'm sure some time bad luck on HQ happens to every high lvl crafters.
You people who can't craft won't make AH price fall! just think how many can you sell on 1 item. 1 or 2? undercut 1 or 2. Crafters make them. we can sell them as long as we happy to make!If no crafter willing to cut price.price won't fall or it will go back up. just face it.

and btw myrrh you stupid. you can't make me go away. you don't have the fucking power lol.whatever you say.I dont give a fly fuck about it. you are Invisible. end of story.
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This sounds like a change in topic subject tiem.

This is now about Deltas.
 
Sagis said:
Actually, economics are why the gloves should be cheaper so the arguments above fail.

Random item: Earth Staff

Materials cost: 110k
NQ cost: SHOULD BE 110-150k. Actual value? 30k
HQ Cost: 460k

Now that is an easy(ish) HQ so it's understandable that the NQ sells cheap because of how common the HQ is.

I don't know prices of everything but let's look at Dusk Gloves.

Materials cost: 865k
NQ should cost: 865k-900k Actual value: 800k
HQ: I'm not sure, not enough on AH to judge but I'm pretty sure it's a sweet profit.

It's typical for the NQ to be CHEAPER than the materials because most crafters are lazy and impatient(do not take offense if this does not apply to you, obviously) and want fast cash.

Personally, I think selling under mats cost is STUPID and gives them zero room to bitch about anything.

The problem is, by losing so much money on NQ, they have to jack the HQ to a retarded rate. Paying 5-10x more for an HQ is pretty ridiculous. But, because people screw the crafters(or the crafters screwing themselves) that's how it will be.

So the gloves being that high is pretty shitty HOWEVER, you're using Cursed gear as an example and those will -always- sell regardless if they are jacked up or not because not only of the demand(nothing really better in the slot) and the fact the HQ rate is so abysmally low, NQ is the only way they make it.
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Random item: Earth Staff

Materials cost: 110k
NQ cost: SHOULD BE 110-150k. Actual value? 30k
HQ Cost: 460k
Makes HQ you made 350k. and loss 80k on each NQ.
earth staff craft is t2. 30% HQ rate max. some time it only HQ 2-3 per 12 synths.every crafter had this problem i am 100% sure.
so if u HQ 1 in 5 synths your money goes like 110kx5-(30kx4+450k)
=-80k you loss 80k to make this HQ. and who wants do that?
 
Dusk gloves+1 etc lvl96+ craft its complete random most of crafter will never craft any of them in their lifetime or if they don't have big gil back up.
and very very important thing. what about chance of break? you complete lost everything for 0 gil? i'm clothcraft i break many synth which is unreasonable. as such shining cloth etc.
Sanoske is everyone know good CC crafter ask him how much he lost on break alone. and we all crafters did not add break cost to thse HQs.and never will.
 
Deltas said:
Random item: Earth Staff

Materials cost: 110k
NQ cost: SHOULD BE 110-150k. Actual value? 30k
HQ Cost: 460k
Makes HQ you made 350k. and loss 80k on each NQ.
earth staff craft is t2. 30% HQ rate max. some time it only HQ 2-3 per 12 synths.every crafter had this problem i am 100% sure.
so if u HQ 1 in 5 synths your money goes like 110kx5-(30kx4+450k)
=-80k you loss 80k to make this HQ. and who wants do that?
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If the HQ rate is 30%, you have made 350k profit over 10 synths, including a 10% break rate with critical loss.

If you think thats bad, then you're in the wrong business. The reason the prices are as is, is because your competition thinks that 350k profit over those 10 synths is fine.
 
Deltas said:
very simple. If you don't have money then don't buy it.no crafter willing loss their own money to make your gear looks good. we simply don't give a fuck to none crafters.
You don't craft you won't understand 1/40 on T1 synths HQ. i'm sure some time bad luck on HQ happens to every high lvl crafters.
You people who can't craft won't make AH price fall! just think how many can you sell on 1 item. 1 or 2? undercut 1 or 2. Crafters make them. we can sell them as long as we happy to make!If no crafter willing to cut price.price won't fall or it will go back up. just face it.

and btw myrrh you stupid. you can't make me go away. you don't have the fucking power lol.whatever you say.I dont give a fly fuck about it. you are Invisible. end of story.
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I don't give a flying fuck about all this logic behind the crafting.

I have 71.1 bonecraft and understand full well the economics of NQ/HQ blah blah blah.

I don't give a fuck and it has nothing to do with my point in the top post, that was just the convenient example of the hour.

My point was the price history was 300k 300k 300k 300k 300k 300k and then suddenly someone buys one for 400k, thereby acknowledging the higher price and giving the sellers room to bring the price up more.

So yeah good job understanding the point of the thread.
 
Tagrineth said:
My point was the price history was 300k 300k 300k 300k 300k 300k and then suddenly someone buys one for 400k, thereby acknowledging the higher price and giving the sellers room to bring the price up more.

So yeah good job understanding the point of the thread.
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I think we all got it, and I sympathize with you.:thumbsup: I think the point everyone is trying to make is that yeah, it sucks, but what can you do about it? Nothing really, so you just waste yer time complaining due to the fact that it'll never really change.:banghead3: I think the under-cutting is actually worse. Just my personal opinion.:2cents:
 
Shaolinsan said:
I think we all got it, and I sympathize with you.:thumbsup: I think the point everyone is trying to make is that yeah, it sucks, but what can you do about it? Nothing really, so you just waste yer time complaining due to the fact that it'll never really change.:banghead3: I think the under-cutting is actually worse. Just my personal opinion.:2cents:
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I'm not going to do anything about it.

Doesn't mean I can't complain! And it isn't time wasted - I tend to be the type that needs to vent sometimes so I felt better after posting this thread. :P

Dang, people, this is what this board is all about isn't it? =c
 
Tagrineth said:
Dang, people, this is what this board is all about isn't it? =c
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Depends on who you ask. Quite a few people will argue that flames made here are for thier sole entertainment only, and if you fail at it they will invariably let you know about it. Sad, really...



I have been wanting to buy some T.M. Hooks for my level 50 MNK, but there weren't any on the AH available for a while. Finally, some popped up, and even though the running price was at a stead 20k, I ended up paying 25k for them. Nothing major really, but it was irritating all the same. I do know some players in specific make alot of thier money by buying low and selling high on the AH, so I really can't blame them.
 
Wouldn't it be nice to be able to make a profit off things you skill up on? ;[
 
goddamn RMT lowering the price of sleep bolt quivers.... i could sell em for a good 30k each, yet they keep bringing em down to <20k at times... It's not the AH, but the person who put the item on the AH. I bought an Opo-opo necklace for 60k when they were going for 20k, but im not complaining
 
toqabowl said:
goddamn RMT lowering the price of sleep bolt quivers.... i could sell em for a good 30k each, yet they keep bringing em down to <20k at times... It's not the AH, but the person who put the item on the AH. I bought an Opo-opo necklace for 60k when they were going for 20k, but im not complaining
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i know alot crafters doesn't like complaining like those retard people always
complain price "too high". even we crafters lossing big gil on synths.such as people like Tagrineth. one day he finally can HQ on his bonecraft and ppl undercut his HQ&complain prices after he spend mills gil on crafting. he maybe will understand what this we are talking about.
 
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