the most overdone topic returns!

[Pascal]

Ahem CubsWoo

 

[Pascal]

Amen CubsWoo

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[Neyla]

I bow before Cubswoo. The man has it down.

 

[Perfectangel]

The only think i have to say to a post like this is............

You think you can play red mage better than the people you are parting with, GO LVL YOUR RDM...

You will find rdm do alot more than be your refresh whore!

 

[Panda]

You will find rdm do alot more than be your refresh whore!

No one is saying that the only thing a RDM needs to do is refresh.

I have partied with so many freaking bad red mages who don't know how to DISPEL let alone REFRESH. How hard is it for you people to get it through your thick skulls that you are the only job in the game with that fucking spell, and that when you are invited to a party, people are expecting you to use it.

My good red mage to bad mage ratio right now has looked like this:

30:5

Where do you people come from?

 

[Blackchaoshero]

The only think i have to say to a post like this is............

You think you can play red mage better than the people you are parting with, GO LVL YOUR RDM...

You will find rdm do alot more than be your refresh whore!

i aceed and accept that red mages do more than whore refresh but i will not conceed my initial point that refresh is the singular most important thing you do in a party that is totally mp reliant.

As a note before this last red mage just up and left on us we were only doing chain 4, i was trying to watch my mp and the white mage was playing with style and finesse trying to keep the tank alive and conserve mp. after the rdm left on us we tried looking for a red mage while we fought (a few people were close to level) we still managed chain 4. i mention this to stress that the red mage was obviously not doing her job to par, over 70 levels (may not be a huge amount but it is a fair number of pt's) i have had this exact set up a number of times and i can tell you without a shadow of doubt in my mind a good red mage will ALWAYS make a drastic improvement to the speed of the chain. They make the mob go down faster and save the tank and white mage lots of trouble.

Now in regards to the question posed in one of pascal's many many replies were you to tell me to slow down on the nuking in a party (and god knows it's happened) you would be talking to a corpse. even with a good paladin with the low percentage of resisted spells i have, the high int and magic attack bonus's i have at this point if i cast more than 3 spell in a row i will rip hate off even the fabled uber JP tank. At these levels 1 singular spell will do upwards of 600 damage and generally cost 1/8th of my mp not accounting for conserve mp. Simply stated even as a taru i can't afford to overnuke mp-wise and even with a good pld, a thf backing them up and a load of ENM + for them and - for me a few good spells will rip hate off. i get hurted very often.

Paladins who don't carry an earth and dark staff should go rot like the cheap bastards they are. you wear full af till 73, the rest of your gear isn't any more expensive than anyone elses and if everyone else bought their scp harness and haubergons and the mages bought their staves you can spare the 350k you might spend getting both the damn staves.
also if you level your staff you might find some of the ws's you get are just as powerful as the swift blade you love so much. maybe not against crabs but on most enemies you fight they are quite effective. If you are ever a party without an earth staff in the future (to ANY pld out there) ask your black mage if you can use his. now, keep in mind what the MB is... And they might refuse (whether out of distrust of disgust) but i will always turn over my staff to a paladin because it's for the best for the party. and I think stone spells all suck. even stone IV. crappy element in general.

 

[Pascal]

How hard is it for you people to get it through your thick skulls that you are the only job in the game with that fucking spell, and that when you are invited to a party, people are expecting you to use it.

No good red mage is going to object to the fact that we have refresh and we should be using it. We just take offence to people saying our whole job is refreshing. It’s only a part (yes a big part), but it is only a part. One of the biggest bitches red mages have between our selves is when we see another red mage getting by in the game doing nothing but refreshing , then having people make posts that say our job is to do refresh and Refresh only just lends to the problem. That is why we object so much.

 

[Blackchaoshero]

on a seperate note, i used to be a red mage fan all through FF, yeah i always had a love for black mages but when i had an option i turned everyone into red mages, they can cure, they can cast, they can take hits! that was rdm for me. 8-bit steered me more towards blm but the craptactular rdm's 41+ in this game have turned me against red mage forever. why can't you all be Dakko? he kep refresh on 6 men

 

[Pascal]

on a seperate note, i used to be a red mage fan all through FF, yeah i always had a love for black mages but when i had an option i turned everyone into red mages, they can cure, they can cast, they can take hits! that was rdm for me. 8-bit steered me more towards blm but the craptactular rdm's 41+ in this game have turned me against red mage forever. why can't you all be Dakko? he kep refresh on 6 men

Dakko is in my linkshell, I'll let him know you gave him a compliment.

 

[Panda]

We just take offence to people saying our whole job is refreshing. It’s only a part (yes a big part), but it is only a part.

Like I said I dont think anyone insinuated that refreshing is the only thing that red mages should be doing.

 

[Anderithe]

I like how you capitalized REFESH but not ENFEEBLE Enfeebling is equally important to party success. I hate RDMs that don't know how to play the job.

^^^^

 

[Eulore]

I don't have an earth staff because I used it before and I didn't really notice a difference in damage taken. I even had a party with 2 plds, me using sword and shield and the other using earth staff (It was late and after maintenance... don't mention that horrid party please >_>) and the whm said they had an easier time curing me, and don't blame it on me using more mp, I'm elvaan he was hume. The only time we should use an earth staff is for stuff that hits for 200-500, where it cuts more than about 10 damage off. A shield helps a lot more. With tacos, I only get hit for about 70 damage, so an earth staff would only take off about 14 damage off per hit. Now with a shield, I'd take 1/2 damage every few hits.

Let me fight those exp mobs that hit for 200-500 then I'll use a damn earth staff, until then I'll stick with my sword and shield.

And you said something about 400 damage. I was parsering 200 a fight or less, I'm a palaldin, I have about 200 attack, I don't care. But when I do a 50 swift blade > 400 tachi: gekko, 150 darkness, and the blm bursts for 400 from a shitty spell, that helps a bit in taking the mob down. So please stfu before flaming us for not using your love child, the earth staff.

 

[CubsWoo]

With tacos, I only get hit for about 70 damage, so an earth staff would only take off about 14 damage off per hit. Now with a shield, I'd take 1/2 damage every few hits.

Let's say your shield fires every 3 hits and absorbs half damage, and you take 70 damage a hit.

Sword/Shield:

Hit 1: 70
Hit 2: 70
Hit 3: 35

Total damage: 175

Earth Staff:

Hit 1: 56
Hit 2: 56
Hit 3: 56

Total damage: 174

Just about the same damage - but I'd venture to guess shield kicks in every 6 hits, not every 3. With that example:

Shield: 385 damage
Earth Staff: 336 damage.

So basically, your own example is proving how Staff would be more effective. And what does TP matter? You should be swapping in a Dark post-fight to make sure you have full MP for the pull, being Elvaan and all.

 

[Neche]

No one is saying that the only thing a RDM needs to do is refresh.

So.... in summary face it. You are there to cast refresh, that's pretty much all you have over all the other jobs that can do all that stuff you do, just please shut it and cast refresh.

What people want from you when you join a party is REFRESH

REFRESH. That's why you're there

That is where

 

[Eulore]

And what does TP matter? You should be swapping in a Dark post-fight to make sure you have full MP for the pull, being Elvaan and all.

With a decent rdm or brd, I end fights with 100-130 mp, more than enough to keep going. The only time I rest with a dark staff is at the end of chains, or when I have 600ish hp and cure myself to near full. Basically, with a good rdm and whm I don't ever need to rest.

Now if I was galka, I'd definately need to rest between pulls, cause they have crap mp =P

 

[Braydon]

With tacos, I only get hit for about 70 damage, so an earth staff would only take off about 14 damage off per hit. Now with a shield, I'd take 1/2 damage every few hits.

Let's say your shield fires every 3 hits and absorbs half damage, and you take 70 damage a hit.

Sword/Shield:

Hit 1: 70
Hit 2: 70
Hit 3: 35

Total damage: 175

Earth Staff:

Hit 1: 56
Hit 2: 56
Hit 3: 56

Total damage: 174

Just about the same damage - but I'd venture to guess shield kicks in every 6 hits, not every 3. With that example:

Shield: 385 damage
Earth Staff: 336 damage.

So basically, your own example is proving how Staff would be more effective. And what does TP matter? You should be swapping in a Dark post-fight to make sure you have full MP for the pull, being Elvaan and all.

Yea, but add the stats from the shield and from glut sword( +7 vit), and things get alot closer, so that it's more of a preferance issue.

 

[Anttaru]

I like and dislike RDM threads like this, cause i usually end up saying the same thing everytime.

I think when writing threads like this, the complainer should address it to the RDM/RDMs they have a beef with. It's like everytime i'm in a PT with people i have never partied with, i automatically feel a tension between them and i before we start.

Refresh is something that i keep up for the sake of the PT's progress. And at the same time (a disturbing secondary) to keep from hearing <Refresh> <please>

RDM's who play properly (including the ones who keeping others quiet from asking for Refresh) on a wide scale is underestimated in PT's. Having the highest enfeebling and enhancing cap, dealing with links is a special treat for RDM at higher levels. Yet the PT's first reaction is to run away. Stand your ground RDM, and tell the lot of them to come back and finish what they started as you increase you're DEF and still maintain the Refresh cycle if the magic users are still in range.
No one can make themselves "Almost inviencible" like RDM can, and if the fight was too intense, the PT can rest while the RDM holds the mob. This is so much more than being a refresh whore job.

So many people are so busy assuming RDMs are useless other than "Refresh" and Dispel. A RDM really does resent hearing that, cause it's the same as being told "You can't" when you damn well can.

A RDM that really has his heart set on over doing it, can do so with flying colours, and do "everything at once" while keeping up Stoneskin, phalanx, and do all main RDM PT tasks, with a haste cycle on top and even take hate with 0 DMG and still pull magic out of their ass for the party's sake. This is a real rush to do, and no job in the game can even come close to ever being this detailed to pushing limits.

Never call RDMs refresh whores, just because you've had a Refresh whore RDM, dosn't mean you should treat the rest of us as one.

 

[Eulore]

rdms should still refresh every battle to lessen downtime. Most rdms I've partied with do, but on occassion there's the bad rdm who's more interested in meleeing or something (not saying rdm meleeing is bad, but if meleeing keeps you from doing more important things...) than refreshing the party, then they're slowing down the exp greatly.

 

[Fellina]

lol- Anttaru just reminded me of an instance where one of our static members had a DC while we were xping in Monastic cavern. I slept the orc, and continued to sleep it for the next 4-5 minutes til he reconnected and rejoined. It was fun. We got some screenshots of our party all sitting in front of the orc and /waving, haha.

When the shit hits the fan, you'll probably want a RDM who can keep his cool and take the appropriate measures to ensure the safety of the group. Unfortunately, there's no way to tell the difference between those RDM's and the "Refresh whores" until it happens, heh.

 

[Eulore]

Oh and when we get a link, I usually do everything in my power to get hate on both mobs (sentinel, rampart, shield bash, holy circle, voke, flash, spam cures, you get it) and go all hero style tanking 2-3 mobs >_>

Maybe if I quit that I wouldn't die so much XD