The real America! 9/11 and all. The thread you've been waiting for.

The best president, by far, was the first god damn one, George Washington.
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I wouldn't necessarily say by far. What about the Roosevelts?
 
i understand Flymop.. i wont make no more threads.. but its ok if i inavde others right? haha either way thats whats goin down..
 
No you wont, because else you will find certain, quite important, things don't seem to work for a quite a while on your account
 
Taravel said:
I just want to ask a question.

If you take a thin piece of metal, lets pick a soft one like aluminum, and bend it back and forth repeatedly, what happens at the stress point (the bend)?

It gets hot.

Now if you take something like structural steel and use a chop saw to cut it in half, you do not want to touch the cut because it is extremely hot. Though it will not be hot enough to melt the metal it gets very hot.

Now if we add burning jet fuel, super-heated gas vapors, electrical fires and various other types of fuel to the equation the metal that was already at an elevated temperature the metal will weaken to the point that it will stretch under an extreme load (i.e. the remains of a jet airplane). That stretching will also create an additional source of heat.

The fact that molten metal was discovered in the aftermath is significant only in the fact that it illistrated the extreme temperatures within the impact area and its immediate surroundings.

As far as the structure is concerned one must also remember that the floors were not constructed in the typical frame grid. The buildings floors utilized a truss floooring system. A truss is much lighter than a solid beam, yet it is as strong if not stronger, depending on application.

A truss is more succeptible to torsion if loading is not applied in the designed manor. Upon impact several truss ends were destroyed thus transfering its unbalenced load to other trusses. This loading imbalance created a torsion on the supports that remained. This torsion twisted the metal ends creating the scenario i opened this post with.

One more quick point.

If you heat water under pressuse the temperature of the water (im not talking about the steam) can reach temperatures well in excess of 100 degrees Celcius.

The same goes for the burning of a fuel (any fuel) if it is heated, burning, and the fumes do not have a direct flow away from the flames they will become superheated, thus resulting in temperatures much greater than the actual burning point of that fuel.

***Sorry if this seems to jump around a bit. If there are any material or structural over simplifications just keep in mind that I'm typing this fast and have not reviewed this post thoroughly.
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Jet fuel would have reached a temperature of about 825*C and evaporated the moment it made contact with something. After that it would have began cooling. When you heat metal the heat speads out to the other parts of it causing the heated area to cool. If the jet fuel alone could have weakened it enough to cause a collapse then it would have happened within a minute or two. Electrical fires and such are no where near hot enough to weaken steel. You also have to take air conditioning and sprinklers into account as well.

The dark smoke coming out after the first few minutes indicated that the fire was either low temperature, that it was oxygen starved, or both. There was also the woman that was brave enough to move all the way to the impact area of the building so she could be seen. She began waving. Her hair and clothing looked fine. That was enough evidence to show that it wasn't very hot. The south tower was hit second, most of the jet fuel went outside the building because the jet crashed into it at an angle and the majority of the fuel went out the side and burned off there and yet this tower collapses first.

There is audio of the firemen saying the fires were almost out. That's another thing to look at.

As for the molten metal, it was being pulled out more than three weeks after 9/11 in all three buildings. Steel heated from fire and such wouldn't even take but a few hours to cool off the surface... well.. depending on the size of the pieces but in no way shape or form would it still be MOLTEN after three weeks. The building could have only gotten so hot from jet fuel and fire. The thermal hot spots picture from NASA shows that the surface temperature was still at 2000*F 5 days after 9/11.

"This is how it's been since day one...and this is six weeks later. As we get closer to the center of this it gets hotter and hotter - it's probably 1500 degrees."
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I also have a video showing tons of what appears to be thermite spewing out of a window. This shows evidence that steel from WTC7 reached ~1000*C. NIST can't get has tried many times and just can't get a steel frame building to fall from damage and heat. They used temperatures beyond what was possible during 9/11 and still nothing. I'm sure you know that the WTC were built to be able to withstand multiple fully loaded 707 airplanes crash into the towers.

There's a better chance of your processor overheating and causing your computer to collapse at freefall speed into a small pile of ash than the WTC buildings collapsing from a jet aircraft crash and fire.

I only scraped the edge off in this explination. To give a full explination with all of the proof would take me around a week to type out and I'd still miss a few things.

The official story is completely wrong in every way. You've seen them lie to you to your face. They said they had never done any excercises to prevent something like this from happening but they were constantly having training excercises to prevent planes from crashing into the WTC and pentagon even just hours before it happened.

They said the air was perfectly fine even though it was highly toxic and very dangerous and they were told that beforehand and they straight out lied to the people. They even asked the clean up crew to stop wearing masks so it wouldn't frighten people. People have already died because of this and many are very ill.

They said they never had video footage of the aircraft hitting the pentagon even though there was proof that the FBI swiped that within minutes of the incident and they later released 5 frames to the public to prove it wasn't a truck bomb.

Lies, lies, and more lies that no one can deny whether they believe the official story or not.
 
Meh, sorry for double post. Edit option isn't working.

To what Busta said, the jet fuel wouldn't have evaporated right away. It stills takes a period of time for it to evaporate. And in that time period, it could've easily increased the heat up to 825*C. And also, heat does not necesarily spread out around. Some materials are not conductors of heat. Many metals are conductors, but some remain to have some resitance to the conduction of heat.

And with the lady having her clothes fine and everything. If you don't catch on fire, you would be fine. It doesn't have to be hot enough to melt steel, and cause clothes to combust at the same time.

And, if NASA said that the temperatures read were at 2000*C, than the jet fuel obviously exceeded that of 825*C.
 
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