This crap...

Zm fun aside i wish people would stop using that "If you do it for fun don't sign up" or w/e. Why pay for a run that doesn't have much drive to win? If they lose they still make gil. So at the cost of 200 exp they make gil.

Yes, the people who sign up are taking risks and sign up at your own risk but it's also riping people off. Not everyone is nice and will try to win if they don't have to refund.
 
If you don't think it's a good idea, don't do it.

Is it so hard to grasp? this discussion has been replayed more times than melee rdm flames. in the name of raptor jesus... if you have an issue with it don't do it. why make a fuss about it?

as stouter pointed out, the killer profit they RAKE IN hand over fist is so much to begrudge them...
 
Stouter said:
At 200k per leech, assuming 16 blms and 2 leeches, that's 25k per run for the blms. Since you can safely do 6 an hour (10 minute recast on elemental seal) add in gather time and factor in the number of runs they would end up doing, it's still close to 100k/hr.

It only takes 16 normal blms, if you go on thundersday you can do it with 12 pimp blms.
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Not going to check your numbers, but I'll point out this is a pickup alliance, which means you can't expect full efficiency like that. Rather expect 20 minutes between each run because there will be a wipe between them - expect 2000 exp loss each run because you're going to be taking R1 - or spending the money you just made on reraise items. Expect 2 hours of waiting as BLMs who signed up don't show and you scramble for replacements.

The sad fact is that even if the 100k/hour scenario did work out, it still isn't a great gil/hour ratio...

But the more people something requires, the more possibilies for disaster, the greater gil/hour you need to justify the risk being taken.
 
Firestreak said:
You've tried to get your BB item via a BLM alliance in KS99, no?
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Nope. It was offered, but I didn't accept. I actively seeked KS99 help from OH at one point in time, but Prophecy never got back to me on it.

The sad fact is that even if the 100k/hour scenario did work out, it still isn't a great gil/hour ratio...
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Considering the actual labor involved in it, 100k/hour is a great ratio. I mean, I wish I was granted 100k/hour pressing two buttons once every 10 minutes.
 
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People took the risks, it's on them, if they knew ahead of time that they were going to lose the money win or lose, and they did it anyway, then it's totally on them. Price they pay for trying the half-ass their way to the earring.

I loved this fight, done it multiple times, and they are missing out.

They're plenty of things you see all the time, and say wth, but then you remember, they wouldn't be there if people weren't buying them.
 
Skaw said:
Nope. It was offered, but I didn't accept. I actively seeked KS99 help from OH at one point in time, but Prophecy never got back to me on it.
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I thought it was you and I suspect still that it is, but I'm not going to spend the time to look it up.

Skaw said:
Considering the actual labor involved in it, 100k/hour is a great ratio. I mean, I wish I was granted 100k/hour pressing two buttons once every 10 minutes.
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I find having to pay attention while not doing anything to be mind numbing.
 
Firestreak said:
I thought it was you and I suspect still that it is, but I'm not going to spend the time to look it up.
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http://www.qcdn.org/showthread.php?t=16048 Decidence offered BOL Manaburning for turtle fight, never contacted him. Kalendor pointed me towards Prophecy, but that fell apart.

http://www.qcdn.org/showthread.php?t=34715 Just to burn seals with no real aim other than to do something with seals that were just clutter. No one contacted me about anything though.

The only thing I've actively participated in that could be considered manaburning is the Bastok mission with the slimes.
 
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Myrrh said:
Zm fun aside i wish people would stop using that "If you do it for fun don't sign up" or w/e. Why pay for a run that doesn't have much drive to win? If they lose they still make gil. So at the cost of 200 exp they make gil.

Yes, the people who sign up are taking risks and sign up at your own risk but it's also riping people off. Not everyone is nice and will try to win if they don't have to refund.
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You make this seem like win/lose for blm is all the same to them. This is NOT true. BLMs still have incentive to win.

If you win right off, the blm doesn't die, and the next run comes around quicker = more money for blm.

If you lose the run, you die, and probably eat a rr item and try again. Even if you don't, you still have to wait for weakness when you eventually get r3, which takes even longer (unless you have 16 whms waiting around).

Trust me, i went on one of those runs, and there was the same drive to win.
 
Firestreak said:
The sad fact is that even if the 100k/hour scenario did work out, it still isn't a great gil/hour ratio...
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With the current value of gil, 100k/hr is more than 95% of people get solo farming or NM camping, and more than almost all sky and HNM shells get per man hour.

While there are some NM's that give more gil/hr than that, it's rare to find a shell that just does money NM's only that isn't gil sellers.



And I was under the impression as well that Skaw was one of those monks sitting outside the BC for a manaburned KS99. Just because there wasn't a thread about it here in event scheduling doesn't mean it didn't happen.
 
Yeah, last time I participated in one of these I lost something like 6 or 8k xp and didn't make any gil (maybe I should /tell Psy for my 40k or w/e it was). That being said that was the run that Jya didn't make. I know some people are downing him here for that but at least he fessed up and apologized to everyone for it. We all make mistakes. Even during a fairly smooth set of runs you're still looking at losing a good chunk of xp.

Regardless no one is forcing anyone to participate in this or any event in this game. Play it how you like. :)

Edit: Chunk doesn't have a c in the middle. >.>
 
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Shyrra said:
Manaburning is fun! :)

That being said I've done it both ways, and I think you're missing out if you skip out on doing it the classic way.
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I always knew you went both ways...

Ba-ZING!



::Runs to get a titty-avatar::
 
Stouter said:
And I was under the impression as well that Skaw was one of those monks sitting outside the BC for a manaburned KS99. Just because there wasn't a thread about it here in event scheduling doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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Oh, I was offered then too, but didn't go with it.
 
Did Divine Might with Affinity along time ago. We didnt need blm for it. Was one of the best fights in this game actually doing it with out them. We got really good at beating this w/ our melee group. Everyone that showed up from our shell got an earring, we just kept doing runs till they did. If you havent done this battle with out blm, you should try it. I know I felt a sense of accomplishment after ^^ That and team work, cause Affinity kicked ass :p
 
I love DM... Rise went in with 3 balanced exp parties and fucken steam rolled
the thing.
 
Direwolf said:
I love DM... Rise went in with 3 balanced exp parties and fucken steam rolled
the thing.
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Yea.. we demolished it.
 
Sumer said:
Did Divine Might with Affinity along time ago. We didnt need blm for it. Was one of the best fights in this game actually doing it with out them. We got really good at beating this w/ our melee group. Everyone that showed up from our shell got an earring, we just kept doing runs till they did. If you havent done this battle with out blm, you should try it. I know I felt a sense of accomplishment after ^^ That and team work, cause Affinity kicked ass :p
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i remember when you, duffdeliveryguy ,soujiro , foofighter, trelution, peppy ,tride,thefonz<sadly missed btw> and a few others sorry i cant remember everyone but... helped me with this mission the point I am trying to make is this we had an alliance of many different jobs each job using their collective abilities to beat this we had a few deaths kiting nuking pounding on mobs all the abilities that different jobs have were used to win this . Although i think manaburns are a neat thing to watch. i am glad i got my earring by actually fighting these mobs not by hiring a bunch of blms to do so for me , i am not begrudging those blms that do what they do to make gil the game has an economy you need to earn ,as long as both parties agree to terms so be it but i agree with others this is one of the better fights in game and to short change your self of the experience by just nuking through is a shame
 
Hmkiroko said:
Yea.. we demolished it.
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I need meh earring. > .>








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I did this DM fight 4 times with my linkshell and others associated with it, lost everytime different reason each time, but the 5th time we had the right plan (thx Mandy) and rocked those DM clowns quicker than we ever could have imagined.

It was a balanced team effort and every last one of us played an important role, we had no blm burners we did this through many of us knowing our jobs well and in the end we prevaled and all got our rings, and it didnt cost us a penny over our own basic med/potion cost.

I'd rather have done it this way as a paricipent, rather than cower in the back rows while blm's nuke things to death, somehow that wouldnt seem like i achived anything that way.
 
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