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[hellstorm]

and did I say that no but ive seen good thf that while they are reposioning for tick attack shoot off a bolt I never said that they only sit back and shoot bolts

Then why wear an Amemet+1 at all in the first place if they can get the benefit of STR+1(increase in melee and weaponskill damage) so they can add a whole 3 damage to the 1-2 bolts they shoot a fight? It doesn't make any sense. Face it. Amemet+1 is obsolete in any way conceivable, unless you're a Ranger.

how much dmg do you think the str plus 1 going to add :?:
not much if any. the ra atk is not obsolete for thf/rng
it no obsolete for sam it not obsolete for rng either if you really wanted the 1 str you can easyly get a str item to put somewhere else

 

[Skaw]

how much dmg do you think the str plus 1 going to add :?:
not much if any. the ra atk is not obsolete for thf/rng
it no obsolete for sam it not obsolete for rng either if you really wanted the 1 str you can easyly get a str item to put somewhere else

I posted the difference, skim back.

 

[hellstorm]

you mean the 1 dmg i dont think you even get 1 dmg out of that str and like I said if you really wanted that as a thf you can easy put it somewhere else

 

[Skaw]

Also I forgot to mention, the other difference between Makzilla and myself. He had much higher accuracy. 80% vs. 90%.

So if we were hitting as much as one another, I would've done a lot more damage as well, all because of this +1 STR.

 

[CubsWoo]

And, again, once you can equip the Forager's you've entered the stage of XPing wherein STR vs VIT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attack vs. Defense. In the 70's everything is going to check Low Defense without too much trouble. Hell, everything I can remember fighting from 57 on up was IT-- or VT-- aside from Blaggers. And that's with Sushi, not Meat. Most everyone's going to have enough Attack naturally (given decent gear) to beat the mob's defense. So where do you go?

STR. STR modifies most every DD's WS. It leads to a higher DPS. It makes all that attack that cons the mob low defense actually matter. Once Forager's becomes an option that Acid Bolt is going to make much less of a difference as opposed to the earlier levels when you don't have as many +stat options and the Def Down really benefits everyone.

 

[Skaw]

you mean the 1 dmg i dont think you even get 1 dmg out of that str and like I said if you really wanted that as a thf you can easy put it somewhere else

AND THATS THE CATCH.

Per cost. Foragers Mantle is the cheapest +1 STR increase you can get at the end of the game.

 

[Peregrine]

Also I forgot to mention, the other difference between Makzilla and myself. He had much higher accuracy. 80% vs. 90%.

So if we were hitting as much as one another, I would've done a lot more damage as well, all because of this +1 STR.

Right, the ONLY difference between him and you was 10% accuracy and 1 strength point. Why hello there, lie. And what was he equipping that you weren't to confer that 10% acc difference?

 

[Skaw]

Being an "idiot" to Peregrine, is being the smartest shopper alive.

 

[Bajaratt]

Also I forgot to mention, the other difference between Makzilla and myself. He had much higher accuracy. 80% vs. 90%.

So if we were hitting as much as one another, I would've done a lot more damage as well, all because of this +1 STR.

Right, the ONLY difference between him and you was 10% accuracy and 1 strength point. Why hello there, lie. And what was he equipping that you weren't to confer that 10% acc difference?

How do you know what both were wearing at the time? Skaw listed the 2 important things from the parser, accuracy and damage. He then showed that he had 1 more STR over Makzilla, and the parser is proof that +1 STR actually helps. Where's your proof?

 

[Peregrine]

Also I forgot to mention, the other difference between Makzilla and myself. He had much higher accuracy. 80% vs. 90%.

So if we were hitting as much as one another, I would've done a lot more damage as well, all because of this +1 STR.

Right, the ONLY difference between him and you was 10% accuracy and 1 strength point. Why hello there, lie. And what was he equipping that you weren't to confer that 10% acc difference?

How do you know what both were wearing at the time? Skaw listed the 2 important things from the parser, accuracy and damage. He then showed that he had 1 more STR over Makzilla, and the parser is proof that +1 STR actually helps. Where's your proof?

So 1 strength is better than 10% higher acc at level 75?

lolk you're really finished here. You have nothing more to add but fabrication.

 

[Skaw]

Right, the ONLY difference between him and you was 10% accuracy and 1 strength point. Why hello there, lie. And what was he equipping that you weren't to confer that 10% acc difference?

Why hello there, it isn't.

As an Elvaan, he's already 5 STR over me, he could shed STR+ equipment in favor of more accuracy. Use your head next time, maybe this thread wouldn't have been started in the first place if you had.

 

[Peregrine]

Right, the ONLY difference between him and you was 10% accuracy and 1 strength point. Why hello there, lie. And what was he equipping that you weren't to confer that 10% acc difference?

Why hello there, it isn't.

As an Elvaan, he's already 5 STR over me, he could shed STR+ equipment in favor of more accuracy. Use your head next time, maybe this thread wouldn't have been started in the first place if you had.

Mmmmk stilly lying. I don't think there's a single poster, even on this forum, who is dumb enough to believe that 1 str point at L75> 10% higher accuracy. Oh wait, there are two.

 

[Raivyn]

Lol you really are dumber than I thought. K, you boot that thief for hitting an acid bolt on the pull, fleeing back to camp, then hitting another one. Lowering the mob's defense.

Any other FFXI forum would laugh their ass off at your comments. Acid bolts are huge. The hilarity of qcdn is that you all are *just* that sheltered.

hahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, lets see about that.

You seem to like this argument a lot - seeing as every time you're cornered you spit this out.

brb I'm gonna link this on BG forums, lets see what they think.

 

[Bajaratt]

Also I forgot to mention, the other difference between Makzilla and myself. He had much higher accuracy. 80% vs. 90%.

So if we were hitting as much as one another, I would've done a lot more damage as well, all because of this +1 STR.

Right, the ONLY difference between him and you was 10% accuracy and 1 strength point. Why hello there, lie. And what was he equipping that you weren't to confer that 10% acc difference?

How do you know what both were wearing at the time? Skaw listed the 2 important things from the parser, accuracy and damage. He then showed that he had 1 more STR over Makzilla, and the parser is proof that +1 STR actually helps. Where's your proof?

So 1 strength is better than 10% higher acc at level 75?

lolk you're really finished here. You have nothing more to add but fabrication.

Where in anything that I've posted has there been a fabrication? Skaw's got parsed proof (assuming that he can figure out how to post it) that +1 STR actually helps. That's also probably the average accuracy over the course of the party, which justshows how important STR really is.

Here's another idea, why don't you stop criticizing players in jobs that you know NOTHING about, and stick to things that you might have a clue about.

 

[Peregrine]

Lol you really are dumber than I thought. K, you boot that thief for hitting an acid bolt on the pull, fleeing back to camp, then hitting another one. Lowering the mob's defense.

Any other FFXI forum would laugh their ass off at your comments. Acid bolts are huge. The hilarity of qcdn is that you all are *just* that sheltered.

hahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, lets see about that.

You seem to like this argument a lot - seeing as every time you're cornered you spit this out.

brb I'm gonna link this on BG forums, lets see what they think.

Limit that to the effectiveness of acid bolts in a party, and maybe you have something. Acid bolts are huge, and that is where every other forum would laught their ass off at the comments to the contrary.

 

[Skaw]

Mmmmk stilly lying. I don't think there's a single poster, even on this forum, who is dumb enough to believe that 1 str point at L75> 10% higher accuracy. Oh wait, there are two.

Right... parsed results, full hit/miss calculations over 100 fights is lying?

What do you want? He did do more Weaponskill damage than me, if you want to hear that. Since well, he was landing hits more frequently. But thats not what this is about is it? This is about raw melee damage.

But hit for hit, I was doing more damage. Not hitting as often either, and still did 80 damage/fight more in melee. All because of +1 STR.

 

[Peregrine]

Also I forgot to mention, the other difference between Makzilla and myself. He had much higher accuracy. 80% vs. 90%.

So if we were hitting as much as one another, I would've done a lot more damage as well, all because of this +1 STR.

Right, the ONLY difference between him and you was 10% accuracy and 1 strength point. Why hello there, lie. And what was he equipping that you weren't to confer that 10% acc difference?

How do you know what both were wearing at the time? Skaw listed the 2 important things from the parser, accuracy and damage. He then showed that he had 1 more STR over Makzilla, and the parser is proof that +1 STR actually helps. Where's your proof?

So 1 strength is better than 10% higher acc at level 75?

lolk you're really finished here. You have nothing more to add but fabrication.

Where in anything that I've posted has there been a fabrication? Skaw's got parsed proof (assuming that he can figure out how to post it) that +1 STR actually helps. That's also probably the average accuracy over the course of the party, which justshows how important STR really is.

Here's another idea, why don't you stop criticizing players in jobs that you know NOTHING about, and stick to things that you might have a clue about.

If Skaw's parser data shows that he outdamages someone with 10% more accuracy than he does, and the only difference between them, other than the accuracy, is 1 strength point...Skaw is lying.

 

[Bajaratt]

Lol you really are dumber than I thought. K, you boot that thief for hitting an acid bolt on the pull, fleeing back to camp, then hitting another one. Lowering the mob's defense.

Any other FFXI forum would laugh their ass off at your comments. Acid bolts are huge. The hilarity of qcdn is that you all are *just* that sheltered.

hahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, lets see about that.

You seem to like this argument a lot - seeing as every time you're cornered you spit this out.

brb I'm gonna link this on BG forums, lets see what they think.

Limit that to the effectiveness of acid bolts in a party, and maybe you have something. Acid bolts are huge, and that is where every other forum would laught their ass off at the comments to the contrary.

You've been ignoring what Skaw and Cubs have said, that they're at the point where lowered defense is no longer an effect. They need more STR to counter the mob's VIT to do any more damage than they are currently doing. Yes, acid bolts are very nice, but not against IT mobs when it's already checking as low defense, and that's the key point that you're missing.

 

[hellstorm]

you mean the 1 dmg i dont think you even get 1 dmg out of that str and like I said if you really wanted that as a thf you can easy put it somewhere else

AND THATS THE CATCH.

Per cost. Foragers Mantle is the cheapest +1 STR increase you can get at the end of the game.

yes that may be so but most likey the person whould all ready have the Amemet+1 because you can wear it at 61 so you going to trade it in for a back peice that has +1 str -1 def -15 ra attack and pay 1 mil more for it

hell you worry bout that why not just go wear the Blue Cotehardie or the assult jerkin for the str or attack instead of the SH considering your saying that str is all that matters. 1 str does not make a big enough diffent to spend a extra mil on

 

[CubsWoo]

Also, how does a Forager's instead of a Amemet +1 make it any harder for a job to hit a mob with a ranged attack?

(Hint: It doesn't.)