Thoughts for those new to endgame and endgame shells

Does this mean sea doesnt count as endgame?
 
Reko said:
And it's quite saddening if you ask me, that SE wont create something new that will take away some people's attention from those 3 areas.
Einherjar was a good shot, but it wont reduce the pople that show at said places.
Now, if you could go once every day and be guaranteed 1 abj each win, then you just might loose atleast 1 LS.
2 if you're really lucky.
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Salvage is something new, and the gear is on-par, and in many cases, better then the abjurations you can get from both sky and HNM's. For some weird reason people don't seem to like Salvage, though.

The reason people still do HNM's and sky isn't as much for the abjuration, as it is for Ridill, Defending Ring, Byakko's Haidate etc. Why do you think Aspidochelone is pretty much abandoned on other, dare I say it, more experienced servers? He doesn't drop a Ridill or Defending Ring-esque item, hence barely no one bothers to camp him. Hence why he tend to pop and be up for hours before someone kills him.

Speaking of which, that's also why people prefer Fafnir over Nidhogg. Niddy doesn't drop the sword, and what Nidhogg drops isn't as sought after.
 
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I'm gonna laugh when the First Lieutenant assault point items are Ridill, Defending Ring, and Vivian Ring (can't think of any other non-abj mage item that's on par to those two).
 
Lol, that'd make laugh as well... Only a minority actually do assaults, and if those assaults suddenly gives good rewards, a lot of people that are too lazy to do assaults will get pissed off.
 
Uzor said:
I could do it if I wanted to, but alas, I'm not interested in HNM's. Nor are a rather large part of end-game.
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Um that's why you applied to Iperial LS which do only HNM?
http://www.imperiallinkshell.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16

Interesting


Kaizen, Pers and Int are some of multi purpose LS. You can be outside of those LS and do Endgame. Those 3 are the only ones who will make you explore All aspects of the game as a group.

HNM's are not hard but still requires a lot of organisation, Team work, and still good player, otherwise we would not see anymore some LS wipe at Faf. FYI the only LS able to show up for NM's at 4am during week days is Integralis, they have enough members from all country to camp and kill All HNM 24/24. Pers and Kaizen can't do that.

Now to all the complaining people of this thread forum, if everything is so easy in endgame, HNM, Salvage, Sea, Sky, AV. Stop talking on those forum, Stick your fingers out of your ass and show us how to do instead of always argueeing and pointing people for boting or whatever other craps.
 
ceram said:
Um that's why you applied to Iperial LS which do only HNM?
http://www.imperiallinkshell.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16

Interesting


Kaizen, Pers and Int are some of multi purpose LS. You can be outside of those LS and do Endgame. Those 3 are the only ones who will make you explore All aspects of the game as a group.

HNM's are not hard but still requires a lot of organisation, Team work, and still good player, otherwise we would not see anymore some LS wipe at Faf. FYI the only LS able to show up for NM's at 4am during week days is Integralis, they have enough members from all country to camp and kill All HNM 24/24. Pers and Kaizen can't do that.

Now to all the complaining people of this thread forum, if everything is so easy in endgame, HNM, Salvage, Sea, Sky, AV. Stop talking on those forum, Stick your fingers out of your ass and show us how to do instead of always argueeing and pointing people for boting or whatever other craps.
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Interesting enough, that's a friend's LS in which I have lots of friends. If you'd bother to check the points or actually follow up on your "theory", you'll see that I have a total of 0 attendance on HNM camps.

Hell, I joined HappyAngel too a long time ago. And guess what? I needed a total of 0 items from HNM's. I joined that because I had 4 other friends in that LS. It was also a good way for me to make a few extra gil on the side, and also a good way to do homework during windows.

And yes, all of those events are easy. People consider Salvage hard because you need, god forbid, to actually communicate with eachother. It is more dependant on the other players then other events. As for sea, that, too, is easy. Hence why you see even RMT defeating Jailer of Love. Sky, very easy, also why you see those sub 1-min Kirins. People complain about HNM's, and not because killing them is hard, but because claiming them is hard. Hence why you see people calling each other botting.

If you are involved in end-game, you seem to be completely clueless. The only event still hard is AV, and to some extent, Einherjar. And only because that last one is new and not figured out. There is nothing in this game that is in-between too hard and too easy. If something is too hard, SE nerfs it to please the complainers, and then it becomes too easy. Additionally, everything is hard, untill you beat it and learn how to do. At that point, things are too easy.
 
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Uzor said:
If you are involved in end-game, you seem to be completely clueless.
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Damn I forgot that you are always the one who knows everything better than anyone else, and also that everything is easy for you.

People complains that claiming is Hard, did they even try? Most of them never even came once to Dragon Aery. Why Kaizen Integralis and Pers claim more than other on NA/EU time there. Because they have more members showing and putting efforts.

Now you joined Imperial hopefully you will do sea with them and show us how to kill AV. I guess Only you is able to do it now!!!!
 
ceram said:
Damn I forgot that you are always the one who knows everything better than anyone else, and also that everything is easy for you.

People complains that claiming is Hard, did they even try? Most of them never even came once to Dragon Aery. Why Kaizen Integralis and Pers claim more than other on NA/EU time there. Because they have more members showing and putting efforts.

Now you joined Imperial hopefully you will do sea with them and show us how to kill AV. I guess Only you is able to do it now!!!!
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I joined like 2 months ago. Still haven't come to any of their events, since I usually play around in a friend's small social LS. If they ask me to come help though, I will.

And I'm sure they can do Sea alone, considering the majority of them have done Sea before. Besides, I do believe they're mainly HNM's, since I still haven't seen them do any other events, and hence why they started another Sea LS. Whether or not they can beat Love without me... Well, we'll just have to see about that. I'm sure they can and have, since they have been doing Sea for some time, but considering I had their leader ask me to come show them how to play WHM in tank party, I'd assume I make a difference. At the very least made the fight easier ;)

As for your first comment, I'm glad you think so.
 
Uzor said:
I'd assume I make a difference. At the very least made the fight easier ;)

As for your first comment, I'm glad you think so.
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You are my Heroe!!! -.-

Please solo JOL for me!!!
 
Well my first tip on that is to not have your af weapon equipped on a lv 75 cor.
 
Uzor said:
I'd assume I make a difference. At the very least made the fight easier ;)

As for your first comment, I'm glad you think so.
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Ceram joining a HNM ls didn't do any good to u. It's sad, many people I knew for long time changed attitude after joining such a ls.

About what "endgame" ls is, I had many flame discussion about this, people saying HNM are the elite ls w/e, this made me lol. If it's the same elite that cause my limbus ls to break then they can gtfo this game. Fyi u can be an elite ls member and be completely clueless about the game.

There are many aspects of endgame: HNM, SKY, DYNAMIS, SEA, LIMBUS, SALVAGE, NYZUL, EINHERJAR...

As for my personal rating, salvage is the best endgame event SE came up with, cause it's short, instanced, intense, and has the best armors of the game. I don't consider people retards cause they don't do salvage, but many HNM people have considered me retard cause I don't do HNMs...and consider themselves superior lol.
 
Uzor said:
Salvage is something new, and the gear is on-par, and in many cases, better then the abjurations you can get from both sky and HNM's. For some weird reason people don't seem to like Salvage, though.

The reason people still do HNM's and sky isn't as much for the abjuration, as it is for Ridill, Defending Ring, Byakko's Haidate etc. Why do you think Aspidochelone is pretty much abandoned on other, dare I say it, more experienced servers? He doesn't drop a Ridill or Defending Ring-esque item, hence barely no one bothers to camp him. Hence why he tend to pop and be up for hours before someone kills him.

Speaking of which, that's also why people prefer Fafnir over Nidhogg. Niddy doesn't drop the sword, and what Nidhogg drops isn't as sought after.
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There's only so many hours in one day, that's my problem with Salvage.
As it is now, I can't even squeeze Assault in, and that makes Salvage even tougher to do -.- (Yes, read impossible)
For a person who has no interest in the three Kings, Sky, Einherjar, Sea, Dynamis, Ouryu/Baha v2 etc., Salvage/Assault is a great place to get good pieces of gear.

This is what Einherjar has over Salvage, for me.
Takes 30 min to do, and you can farm the 5k gil (if you go with 36) on your way there basically...
Oh, and IIRC, some Salvage armor cost a shitload to get?
Haven't really looked at specific pieces and what mats you need... but I know people complained about them costing 5-10M?
Not a small amount for most people.


I'd take an E.body over a Ridill any day. Heck, I'd take an M.body over a Ridill.
(But I'm a bit retarded, so that would explain that)
So, leave my Nidhoggs alone and I wont claim your Faf's :P
 
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Salvage is only 100 min :p shorter then Dynamis, but yes, longer then Einherjar and Limbus. And I can farm the 7500 points I need for my 5 runs a week in roughly 1 hour 30 min, which is shorter then Salvage itself lasts :p Can get 1500 to 1666 points per day in 5 min easily. Reason it takes 1 hour 30 min is because we do it twice a week.

And yes, I am arrogant. Although I do have to cut you a gold star, since you're the first person to say that. I've heard self-absorbed asshole, dick, etc. etc. But never arrogant. Which, quite honestly, shocks me.

And one reason I don't like HNM's, is because:
1) I don't have the time for it. With Dynamis twice a week, Salvage 5 times a week, assault twice a week, and used to have Limbus twice a week. And now also Einherjar twice a week, I just simply don't have the time for random HNM windows, considering I need to work, shit, sleep, eat, drink, spend time with family and friends, and fuck too. Surprising how that works, no?

2) I don't like random, spontaneous 3-hour events, that's not on a constant repeating schedule.

Additionally, about Salvage. The only expensive pieces is the body and head. Body for 6 mil, head for 2 mil. Hands is 300k, legs is, like, 25k, and feet is 80k. Sure, head and body is 8 mil together, but if there's a will, there's a way. There's plenty of ways to get the materials besides farming, which you will need to do anyway. Heck, how often do you actually even see 12 Imperial Wootz Ingot up for sale?
 
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mdkuser said:
There are many aspects of endgame: HNM, SEA,
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I removed the aspects that aren't endgame from your list. They're events, not endgame. If all you do is dynamis, you aren't and endgame player, you're a player who does Dynamis. Sky used to be, but now its become so stupidly easy and is basicly "that thing you do when 70+"

Endgame isn't what it was 3 years ago.
 
Hey fire, you still the worst whm on this server? Probably shouldn't be giving out advice. BTW, poisona and blindna don't cure paralyze.
 
Marajade said:
I removed the aspects that aren't endgame from your list. They're events, not endgame. If all you do is dynamis, you aren't and endgame player, you're a player who does Dynamis. Sky used to be, but now its become so stupidly easy and is basicly "that thing you do when 70+"

Endgame isn't what it was 3 years ago.
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They're all endgame events. You're not a true end-game player if all you do is camp the three kings either. You can't call yourself an experienced end-game player if all you've done is the three kings.

Someone that have camped HNM's for one year, and having only fought one once due to claimign issues, can't in your hoenst opinion be considered and end-game player, can he? Camping HNM's is can be over 2 hours 53 min of afk time. Not really an "experience", is it?

Just because something is instanced doesn't make it less end-game. Salvage requires both dedication, skill, experience and communication. What is it that sets HNM's, sky, sea, dynamis, einherjar and salvage apart that only makes sea and HNM's an "end-game event" in which only those makes you an experienced end-game player?
 
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Marajade said:
I removed the aspects that aren't endgame from your list. They're events, not endgame. If all you do is dynamis, you aren't and endgame player, you're a player who does Dynamis. Sky used to be, but now its become so stupidly easy and is basicly "that thing you do when 70+"

Endgame isn't what it was 3 years ago.
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I don't know, I still think Byakko is harder than anything in Sea (except AV which isn't really possible)
 
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