Time to move on Rangers

[Bajaratt]

well i geuss this is all how other people see it then. Everyone else seems to think that rangers should pay for the dmg moreso than every fucking other class and do normal dmg ok sure your all right /bow to braydon /bow to baj /bow to every other fucking A+++ melee your all right!!!

i cant belive i didnt see it before rng deserved this gimp wow thankyou SE thankyou so much i love doing normal dmg^^y i love missing my 2hr {all right} thank you for showing me the light guys

(waits for the i like your additude responses)

Rng needed some kind of nerf, SE took it too far, but the need was still there. Yes, rng has a right to be upset about the nerf, but blaming it all on everyone but the people who actually had to do with the change is childish. No where near every melee complained about rng's, and SE didn't make the change sole off the few who did.

Someone else posted this in one of the other hundred threads on this topic, but since you missed it, I'll paraphrase it here. SE got some complaints about the unbalanced endgame, and checked it out for themselves. They saw everyone stacking tons of rng's in endgame fights, if the problem was too hard, you weren't throwing enough rng's at it. The fact that rng was picked up over every other DD, regardless of their skill/gear, simply because they were a rng. That's where the sole benefit of the nerf comes in for other melee's, so that we might actually get an invite once in a while.

 

[CubsWoo]

lol you guys are so fucking stupid. braydon your get hate from JA and MA ok sure well lets just say SE gimped both of those so much that everyone wants a NIN instead of PLD cause they cant keep hate hmm well thats what its like for dragoon seeing how RNGs are gona get more invites cause they get more TP than a DRG who is a fucking DD job. (fyi rng should never be more sought after than drg... its just plain wrong)

Drg was supposed to be THE DD job like black mage but now any old shitty melee job can walk in and just stand there hacking away at the mob and out TP us hmm wow ok so they get to spend a couple mill on gear stand there and check back every few min for sc.

Now the dragoons heh they get to spam Penta and only get 15% TP return not to mention they are still out dmged by other melee clasess while they have a wyvern out that they can only call every two hours.

And dont even fucking give me your bullshit it's not our fault your wyvern dies so easily dipshit we try to pick non-aoe mobs to xp off of and im 100% sure getting woodworking to arrow/bolt synthing levels is a lot easier than getting Bonecraft up for Scorpion Harness.

But anyways sure you can defend how im wrong by saying "hahahaha you got gimped stop bitching alrdy"ect.. but every drg out there knows your wrong and from what strid said i laugh at you, have fun in sky

FIFY

 

[meeze]

taur, if there was a nerf that made your tanking abilities equal to that of a mnk drk drg and thf, i think you would be more than a little upset. without the ability to take hits and keep hate pld is just another job.

rngs were an alternate to blm leveling through the 50's and 60's. rng gets called in to help fights for a reason, they were fight enders. this definitely molded an ego, but what job doesnt have an ego. drk has an ego, mnk has an ego, drg has an ego, mages, tanks all have egos about them. some jobs bigger than others, rng, nin, pld, brd and rdm probably having the biggest egos of them all.

SE knocked one job out of the top tier of jobs, who is next?

 

[Taurothar]

I am sick and tired of seeing all of you whiney bitch-ass rangers who think this was brought on by all the "complaining melees" when I have yet to see someone complain about rangers EVER. I challenged on 3 other threads for a ranger to find a thread from before this announcement where a Melee was pissed about RNG being overpowered. Do it.

Stop bitching because you hafta spend "more money" to do things because it's 10x easier for you to make money than it is for a PLD or a DRK or a BRD, while 2/3 of those jobs aren't expensive, they farm for shit. I know as a PLD I can't kill anything fast enough to be considered effective farming unless it's 30 levels below me. Now RNG hafta bitch about not being able to farm except at a 30 level buffer, welcome to my world. I never bitch about my ability to solo anything because, honestly there are better ways to make money for each job, if you need to farm so bad, do what I was told to do by everyone, LEVEL THIEF. RNG have widescan, making it easy to camp NMs. Camping with a small team of 2-3 people you can easily get the claim with shadowbind on a very profitable NM.

Oh no, RNG can't solo for exp anymore. BIG FUCKING DEAL. If you want to solo exp, level BST. It's as simple as that. Also, what mobs did you solo for exp before? I know for a fact it wasn't anything other than worms, and since they're planted in the ground, you can stay at optimal distance anyway. I'm sure you'll say "but now I can't do that because my accuracy sucks" and you're a fucking retard if you say that. RNG have by far the most +Acc gear out there and you'd hafta be dumb for not using some of it.

Flame me all you want, but you know what, comparing this nerf to any PLD nerf you can think of is lunacy, because NIN still are gonna get picked before a PLD any day of the week unless the mob is a MNK type. Please, just quit your bitching about every little thing that's wrong with this update, and put your energy into working around it, or, heaven forbid, TRY SOMETHING NEW!

For someone who isn't a ranger you sure have a lot of gaul. And what's funnier is your whinning about how your paladin job got nerfed well your flaming rangers. DRGs whinned when they got nerfed Paladins whinned when they got nerfed. Your more or less whinning right now. ^^

I wasn't away PLD ever got nerfed, but w/e. I play RNG as my secondary job, it's only 37 right now but it's tied for second highest job with WAR. I love the new play style of RNG, and I don't mind at all how the damage has changed, but maybe that's because it's not of level for the ungodly numbers you guys cream yourselves over. I'm not whinning about anything other than how you guys annoy the fuck out of me with these complaints about the "nerf". Anything that seemed like whinning was stating a fact. Certain jobs have certain bonuses for making money, I know my job isn't good for making money, so I have other jobs to do so on. Also, PLD is cheap as fuck, and I love tanking, so I have nothing to complain about really. I loved rangers in the past, and I still love the job itself, but I hate the way you are all bitching non-stop until you get your security blanket back from SE.

 

[Produn]

I am sick and tired of seeing all of you whiney bitch-ass rangers who think this was brought on by all the "complaining melees" when I have yet to see someone complain about rangers EVER. I challenged on 3 other threads for a ranger to find a thread from before this announcement where a Melee was pissed about RNG being overpowered. Do it.

Stop bitching because you hafta spend "more money" to do things because it's 10x easier for you to make money than it is for a PLD or a DRK or a BRD, while 2/3 of those jobs aren't expensive, they farm for shit. I know as a PLD I can't kill anything fast enough to be considered effective farming unless it's 30 levels below me. Now RNG hafta bitch about not being able to farm except at a 30 level buffer, welcome to my world. I never bitch about my ability to solo anything because, honestly there are better ways to make money for each job, if you need to farm so bad, do what I was told to do by everyone, LEVEL THIEF. RNG have widescan, making it easy to camp NMs. Camping with a small team of 2-3 people you can easily get the claim with shadowbind on a very profitable NM.

Oh no, RNG can't solo for exp anymore. BIG FUCKING DEAL. If you want to solo exp, level BST. It's as simple as that. Also, what mobs did you solo for exp before? I know for a fact it wasn't anything other than worms, and since they're planted in the ground, you can stay at optimal distance anyway. I'm sure you'll say "but now I can't do that because my accuracy sucks" and you're a fucking retard if you say that. RNG have by far the most +Acc gear out there and you'd hafta be dumb for not using some of it.

Flame me all you want, but you know what, comparing this nerf to any PLD nerf you can think of is lunacy, because NIN still are gonna get picked before a PLD any day of the week unless the mob is a MNK type. Please, just quit your bitching about every little thing that's wrong with this update, and put your energy into working around it, or, heaven forbid, TRY SOMETHING NEW!

For someone who isn't a ranger you sure have a lot of gaul. And what's funnier is your whinning about how your paladin job got nerfed well your flaming rangers. DRGs whinned when they got nerfed Paladins whinned when they got nerfed. Your more or less whinning right now. ^^

I wasn't away PLD ever got nerfed, but w/e. I play RNG as my secondary job, it's only 37 right now but it's tied for second highest job with WAR. I love the new play style of RNG, and I don't mind at all how the damage has changed, but maybe that's because it's not of level for the ungodly numbers you guys cream yourselves over. I'm not whinning about anything other than how you guys annoy the fuck out of me with these complaints about the "nerf". Anything that seemed like whinning was stating a fact. Certain jobs have certain bonuses for making money, I know my job isn't good for making money, so I have other jobs to do so on. Also, PLD is cheap as fuck, and I love tanking, so I have nothing to complain about really. I loved rangers in the past, and I still love the job itself, but I hate the way you are all bitching non-stop until you get your security blanket back from SE.

Well maybe you should read my fucking post and the posts of other rangers who aren't whinning before you group us all togather as one personality, asshole.

 

[Taurothar]

taur, if there was a nerf that made your tanking abilities equal to that of a mnk drk drg and thf, i think you would be more than a little upset. without the ability to take hits and keep hate pld is just another job.

rngs were an alternate to blm leveling through the 50's and 60's. rng gets called in to help fights for a reason, they were fight enders. this definitely molded an ego, but what job doesnt have an ego. drk has an ego, mnk has an ego, drg has an ego, mages, tanks all have egos about them. some jobs bigger than others, rng, nin, pld, brd and rdm probably having the biggest egos of them all.

SE knocked one job out of the top tier of jobs, who is next?

First bold: DRG now has more of an inferriority complex now actually.
Second bold: You should just say mages in general because they all get babied from 10-75, especially WHM and RDM though.

and as a general respons: Do you realize that PLD is only a tank because of /WAR? Same goes for NIN. Neither job could tank very well without a little thing called Provoke. There are several options for viable tanks depending on the situation, hell WHM could tank with stoneskin and blink, even better if they subbed NIN or WAR for it. Any job can tank just as well as the next, but it's a matter of equipment available to them. PLD just have a very wide assortment of equip, and naturally high stats geared toward getting hit. This doesn't mean that one couldn't sub WHM and be a good healer for a reasonable party (though I suppose Galkas would clearly be fucked trying this one). It's just not common. Hell a PLD could very well be a DD if there was more open minded people out there about it. This game has become very cookie cutter in it's subjob choices, and for good reason mostly, I'd hate to see DD PLD running all over, because we just plain suck at it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, every job in this game has about 3-4 possible effective roles, but people just deny those options based on the preconceptions given by playing in the same party setup for 60 levels being distortion whores for most of it. People need to stop thinking what can't be done and start thinking what can be done. It's all too negative. [/endhippy]

 

[Taurothar]

Produn, I never said all rangers, I said the whiney bitch-ass ones, it's you who put you in that group in your own mind. I'm all for RNG who don't complain.

 

[CubsWoo]

The difference is that RNGs were their own tier. A BLM that overnukes in Sky is likely a dead BLM. A RNG that spams arrows in Sky is likely recasting Utsusemi.

I think this is more a reaction out of fear than anything else. Fear that RNGs might need to be LFGing for more than a half-hour. Fear that their guaranteed 24-7 spot in Sky killing gods and whatnot is in jeopardy. Fear that the 'lesser' DD jobs now are on a level playing field.

The question is - can they adapt? Should RNGs now sub WAR for Berserk? SAM for Meditate?

So RNG is 'just another job.' Forgive me if I don't shed a tear or play a violin because now you think of yourself as 'just another job' now.

 

[Phear]

well i geuss this is all how other people see it then. Everyone else seems to think that rangers should pay for the dmg moreso than every fucking other class and do normal dmg ok sure your all right /bow to braydon /bow to baj /bow to every other fucking A+++ melee your all right!!!

i cant belive i didnt see it before rng deserved this gimp wow thankyou SE thankyou so much i love doing normal dmg^^y i love missing my 2hr {all right} thank you for showing me the light guys

(waits for the i like your additude responses)

Rng needed some kind of nerf, SE took it too far, but the need was still there. Yes, rng has a right to be upset about the nerf, but blaming it all on everyone but the people who actually had to do with the change is childish. No where near every melee complained about rng's, and SE didn't make the change sole off the few who did.

Someone else posted this in one of the other hundred threads on this topic, but since you missed it, I'll paraphrase it here. SE got some complaints about the unbalanced endgame, and checked it out for themselves. They saw everyone stacking tons of rng's in endgame fights, if the problem was too hard, you weren't throwing enough rng's at it. The fact that rng was picked up over every other DD, regardless of their skill/gear, simply because they were a rng. That's where the sole benefit of the nerf comes in for other melee's, so that we might actually get an invite once in a while.

i agree with the part in bold and AS LONG as you people get that SE took it too far im fine.. btw nice job cubs i laughed hard at that

 

[Produn]

Produn, I never said all rangers, I said the whiney bitch-ass ones, it's you who put you in that group in your own mind. I'm all for RNG who don't complain.

Well you never said bitch-ass rangers all you said was rangers and all you talked about was ranger players well you whinned about how paladin got nerfed to try and make somekind of comparison. From your post you made it sound like were all retarded, bitchy, and much better then everyone else. Next time try and be clear instead of pissing off people who play the job to the best of their ability.

 

[Taurothar]

Produn, I never said all rangers, I said the whiney bitch-ass ones, it's you who put you in that group in your own mind. I'm all for RNG who don't complain.

Well you never said bitch-ass rangers all you said was rangers and all you talked about was ranger players well you whinned about how paladin got nerfed to try and make somekind of comparison. From your post you made it sound like were all retarded, bitchy, and much better then everyone else. Next time try and be clear instead of pissing off people who play the job to the best of their ability.

READ MY FUCKING POSTS. There is nowhere saying PLD actually GOT nerfed, I'm saying we were on the short end of the stick in farming, and now you guys are too, so I have no sympathy for complaining about it. I said I was sick of people complaining about this "nerf" when it's not that bad. Here's a direct quote from my first post on the thread, hope you can read it this time:

I am sick and tired of seeing all of you whiney bitch-ass rangers who think this was brought on by all the "complaining melees" when I have yet to see someone complain about rangers EVER. I challenged on 3 other threads for a ranger to find a thread from before this announcement where a Melee was pissed about RNG being overpowered. Do it.

 

[meeze]

cubs, where i was going with the "just another job" stance, is that there is only a small handfull of jobs needed, and a large handful of jobs that just take up space.

add one more to the taking up space, and one less to the needed. why didn't they add to the needed jobs instead of decreasing the needed jobs.

there is going to be a huge flow of BLMs leveling up because they are needed in sky now more than ever. they will be played by players of jobs that are not needed, but want to finish their current jobs gear.

RNG is the only job that interests me out of the jobs that are desired for end game. I know in my shell DRKs THFs WARs MNKs get bored, even if they are fighting the whole time, their damage is puny, except for the occasional solid WS.

I wouldn't have minded elevating the play of other jobs in sky.

 

[Rappa]

cubs, where i was going with the "just another job" stance, is that there is only a small handfull of jobs needed, and a large handful of jobs that just take up space.

This is a whole different, though related, problem with the game right now then. If it's physically impossible to kill Gods in under 3 hours w/o throwing as many pre-patch Rangers at it as you can, then S-E obviously needs to change something with the Gods, like they did when they realized they had fucked up with the Twinkling Treants.

 

[CubsWoo]

So throw that many Monks at it instead. Most parsers I've seen show a MNK/WHM's fully MND-boosted Chi Blast at equal to or greater than a RNGs arrow shots over a 3-minute period.

 

[Cladius]

Instead of making other Jobs suck more, why dont they make the crap jobs better? That's an interesting thought, heheh. I know that drg's could definitely use a little boost (like say a different 2 hour and wyvern as a 10 minute ability or something). I'm certainly sympathetic to all the drg's who leveled before the tp gimp and then got slammed. I know at least a few people who had this happen and moved to rng as a main job.

Whining about it and blaming the "Other Melee's" isnt going to help anything. Why dont you actually put a petition together and write to SE huh? I'd like to see more productive things happen then just a bunch of whining. I know I have no idea how it feels to have your main job gimped and I definintely sympathise. Dont you think that the argument is kind of week now? Give it a few day's relearn the job and see how it compares to other DD's then give proof in numbers about how much exactly SE fucked up rng.

 

[meeze]

i am sure that is next, along with lots of blms.

now as mnk, i assume you stand out of alliance, boost up, get invite, chi blast, disband repeat.

melee, stand on the side gain tp with /sam or sleep pots, get invited, ws, disband repeat.

that never looked like fun, i enjoyed the fact that SE didn't relegate me to spectator.

i wish they promoted spectators to participators, rather than demote participators into spectators.

 

[yanzi]

The difference is that RNGs were their own tier. A BLM that overnukes in Sky is likely a dead BLM. A RNG that spams arrows in Sky is likely recasting Utsusemi.

I think this is more a reaction out of fear than anything else. Fear that RNGs might need to be LFGing for more than a half-hour. Fear that their guaranteed 24-7 spot in Sky killing gods and whatnot is in jeopardy. Fear that the 'lesser' DD jobs now are on a level playing field.

The question is - can they adapt? Should RNGs now sub WAR for Berserk? SAM for Meditate?

So RNG is 'just another job.' Forgive me if I don't shed a tear or play a violin because now you think of yourself as 'just another job' now.

you obviously haven't leveled ranger past 55 and obviously as the new DD on gods, you are severely biased.
good luck getting your gear in sky now that rangers are nerfed.

 

[CubsWoo]

It'll be a lot easier when they put down the bow and pick up a pair of knuckles, lol. If I really cared that much about Sky, that is.

PUNCHING CLASS BEGINS. LINE FORMS TO THE LEFT

 

[meeze]

i need chi blast courses, since i wont be punching any gods i don't think i'll need punching classes.

 

[Tyrath]

I have to ask...just once...

Is there nothing in FFXI besides gods? All I hear endgame is Gods Gods and some more Gods. While I realized rngs are gimped in other places as well, my question isn't about rngs. I just see Gods everywhere >_<