Tomorrow A day where PLD once again be on the top! or today... :P

[jamal]

The reason pld's are passed up in merit cannons is because they do not do damage near to that of any DD job in the game. It has nothing to do with damage taken, support needed, etc etc etc.

Cythe i realize you go on Bones parties with mnks in krt, but the thing people still miss is DoT Damage. PLD's tp gain is slightly improved, but in a merit cannon in KRT i highly doubt anyone could hold hate from MNKS anyway, nullifying the shiled damage. Going PLD/NIN with company/joyeuse still gives u incredibly weak dot damage comparative to DD class jobs.

Basically, in an endgame party, going for maximum experience, a PLD is taking damage away from the fight that could kill mobs faster. If you're using Sushi, you're also ignoring the fact that PLD's have a relatively low base attack, even with full attack gear.

IMO Pld's setting up a SC isn't helping either...If you're opening a 100tp savage blade for a RNG, they're closing, therefore sc dmg hate goes to them...meaning its much easier to lose hate. Plus i can't think of one RNG i've met who would be patient enough to wait for a pld to have tp ready...

Lastly, if you're partying on deco's, where a PLD could only take 15-30 dmg per hit, you're still ignoring the damage aspect. The pld won't hold hate from even a semi-decked out WAR/DRK/MNK for more then two rounds of attacks on a VT mob, so wearing all the dmg reduction gear is imo pointless. Objects in merit parties are to kill the mobs ASAP with as little downtime as possible...if PLD were a good choice for a merit party, believe me I'd use it...

Also, PLD is not the only endgame tank available...its all situational. And honestly, after checking through the new gear sets...looks like WAR/WHM and DRK/NIN tanks have been helped quite a bit.

All in all, PLD did receive some help, but the shield enhancement is still nothing compared to when they took it from being a second parry.

Sorry to my fellow PLD's, but this doesn't help any situations, about all i can see is if you can't find a tank for a skillchain party, you can say, well PLD isn't quite as bad as before

J

 

[evanos]

Just to let you guys know utsu san just showed up in the datamine.....

FYI: San has been in the game for a very long time. People have datamined this over a year ago. Go check on Allakhazam, its in auto submit seciton from a long time ago. Also many 3rd app programs that have countdown programs such as ffxiassist and ffxirecast have san in their options.

 

[Saevel]

Awww, come on Jamal, I'm the pessimist over here, but we do need to keep our hopes up (that's all that's left right now ;

All and all, I do agree with what you said, seing as we do lack in everything else that's not directly tank oriented.

But... just let us dream a little mmkay?

 

[jamal]

lol sorry, just don't want anyone to be setup for failure...i've played both sides^^

 

[jamal]

double post >. >

 

[Rappa]

Jamal be honest, you just want PLDs to remain the subpar tanks so you can keep coming to everything as a WAR.

 

[jamal]

lmao


Called out >.<

Edit: As a sidenote, I've made 3 posts on QCDN tonight, more then like the last year combined lol

God i hate maintenance

 

[Claudhert]

i know that many people Scoff at the Idea of a damage Great Sword PLD BUT ive started looking at the damage log of me using Great sword and copmparing that to the damage of some of the poeple i farm with in SKY and my damage output are nearly te same in terms of damage delt per hit... I understand that My GS isnt capped but when i hit the Tough mobs which i am doing more and more frequently i hit for the same as a DRK, or a WAR ussually.(understand these DRKs and WARs are not going all out)

Before you all go ape shit on me and say yeah right you are lieing out your teeth, i say this to you, im talking about NORMAL HITs not buffed

This update gives PLDs more flexiblity in how they party now. depending on how potent the Auto-refresh is it gives the PLDs a Chance to equip DD equipment with out worry of having to worry about useing all their MP healing and holding hate then having to heal to restore MP . PLDs can still heal and provide damage without worring about the down time and TP loss envolved in the switching of weapons.

Just so you know looking at at the BASE stats of a 74 PLD my BASE STR is 70 while my BASE VIT is 69

PLds have the potential to deal good Damage over time if equiped right, yes our Abilities arnt suited for dealling damage but add a leveled sub and we can improve our damage.

 

[Yurirem]

When I play BLM, and my tank is a NIN, I know I'm going to die.

I sit there, trying to conserve my hate intake. Till someone in the party happens to blurt "plz nuke"

One Fire IV. Masatarutaru was defeated by the lolWeapon.

NIN is pretty good at not needing support at all. Oh wait...that BLM/DRK has to stun when Utsu is destroyed, or that WHM has to Flash. Oh, yeah, and what's that spell that decreases spell cooldown time...Haste!!!1

PLD without refresh is too weak? NIN without Haste and a THF in the party is "lol"

And I'm not sure about other PLDs, but I've tanked in Bibiki, being main healed by a SMN and no source of refresh with zero problems.

I'd say *both* types of tank are situational. Invite a NIN if you want to reduce downtime as much as possible, invite a PLD if you want the mob to stay put.

Doesn't holding hate better mean your party members don't need to hold back as much? Less holding back = quicker dead mob? {Hmmm.} {That's interesting.} Oh well, NIN can Cover/Invincible in an emergency when the BLM, DRK or RNG pulls a godawful amount of hate. Oh, wait, no they can't. NIN CAN BLOW UP WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH. KEWLS. D:

 

[jamal]

Just so you know looking at at the BASE stats of a 74 PLD my BASE STR is 70 while my BASE VIT is 69

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I'm fully merited in STR...and Elvaan...as PLD/WAR i have a base STR of 82. This by no means makes PLD a DD class job.

As far as Great Sword go, does it do high damage per hit? yes, i won't argue with you there. What I will argue with is total damage...PLD has versatility to a degree, but they are not setup, nor do they have the equip available to DD. They can use hecatomb for Weaponskills, Hauby or Byrnie bodies...but the lack of a haste set or high attack set available (which is available to the DD class jobs) sets PLD at a disadvantage for any Damage dealing possibilities.

 

[Zoolander]

Any chance this topic can just...go the fuck away? This is so beat to hell its disgusting. PLDs are not weak tanks, god damn just because you don't get invites to cannons you feel the need to bitch non stop and call yourselves weak? The ignorance is so thick I could choke on it.

Cannon parties basically have no tank. Its 4 DDs and 2 supports. Those 4 DDs generaly sub nin or main nin to make it more efficient. PLDs main job is to tank. Fuck, most cannon parties consist only of mnk, nin, and wars. The other jobs whose sole purpose is to DD don't even get the normal cannon invites. So you, PLDs, that state you are supposed to be the supreme tank, now want to also be considered one of the top DDs?

And all of you act like its so easy for a nin to become a top DD and tank at same time. Well, if you consider 400 hours farming sky, beating CoP, soloing limbus for months, farming gorget organs solo,over 450k exp in merits, countless millions of gil in DD, tanking, evasion, enmmity, HP gear sets is easy, then you must be God.

 

[jamal]

When I play BLM, and my tank is a NIN, I know I'm going to die.

I sit there, trying to conserve my hate intake. Till someone in the party happens to blurt "plz nuke"

One Fire IV. Masatarutaru was defeated by the lolWeapon.

PLD without refresh is too weak? NIN without Haste and a THF in the party is "lol"

Doesn't holding hate better mean your party members don't need to hold back as much? Less holding back = quicker dead mob? {Hmmm.} {That's interesting.} Oh well, NIN can Cover/Invincible in an emergency when the BLM, DRK or RNG pulls a godawful amount of hate. Oh, wait, no they can't. NIN CAN BLOW UP WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH. KEWLS. D:

Oh man...gonna have fun with this one...

NINs and WAR's hold hate by Damage...there is no amount of JA's in the game that can outdo consistent damage...A NIN can hold hate without a thf...An evasion NIN might not be able to.

As i stated earlier...you wanna do the most amount of damage possible with the shortest amount of downtime...A NIN with +50 evasion won't keep hate, because hsi katana attacks are doing nothing in comparison with the other DD"s. NIN was created as a DD class, if its treated as such, with the addition of provoke, you shouldn't have a problem. In merit cannons, a fully decked NIN can easily keep up or outdo any of the other DD's...therefore your "tank" is actually acting as another DD (Mattimer has proven this to me before lol)

For RNG's that wanna do the most damage possible, you need a high damage coming from the tank. If a DRK is gonna go crazy, he/she better be subbing NIN. This is the same reason i always ask MNK's to come /NIN...sure there damage suffers a lil, but the downtime is greatly reduced.

Saying if you have a NIN tank you're gonna die is the most broadbrush statement I've ever heard lol...I've seen NIN's hold hate from 1800+ magic bursts...

 

[jamal]

and...I'll let this die when the servers come back up ;;

 

[Cythe]

Late response, but woo. Jamal, trust me, I'm not saying PLD will suddenly be the chosen final slot of cannons and end game EXP...Slight improvement in usage though, is golden.

I didn't level RDM just for the solo aspect and flexibility, I leveled it for the merit whoring as well haha. I'll never merit PLD again with RDM available.

 

[Tagrineth]

Saying if you have a NIN tank you're gonna die is the most broadbrush statement I've ever heard lol...I've seen NIN's hold hate from 1800+ magic bursts...

Did the BLM do anything before that MB?

Did the NIN get SATA?

 

[hellstorm]

Personnally, when I merit on BLM, I like PLD tank a lot better. Most NIN I have seen had a hard time keeping hate with no SATA.

Once again it comes up not only to the tank but to the mages behind him too. Is the WHM some lazy mage who just doesn't want to heal? If so, go with a NIN and be lazy? A good WHM won't have any problem with a PLD, especially not in merit parties.

ahh but yet a blm could get better exp going 5 blm and a rdm or brd. As I said before in a balance party pal would win but in a cannon they not so good. cannon > balance party it a proven fact exp over time in cannon much higher then that of a balance party.

 

[GC]

I've seen the usefulness of PLDs endgame. BoL hasn't fought Kirin for weeks ; ;

Lvling mine now. it's lvl 26, huzzah!

 

[Maximilium]

Any chance this topic can just...go the fuck away? This is so beat to hell its disgusting. PLDs are not weak tanks, god damn just because you don't get invites to cannons you feel the need to bitch non stop and call yourselves weak? The ignorance is so thick I could choke on it.

Cannon parties basically have no tank. Its 4 DDs and 2 supports. Those 4 DDs generaly sub nin or main nin to make it more efficient. PLDs main job is to tank. Fuck, most cannon parties consist only of mnk, nin, and wars. The other jobs whose sole purpose is to DD don't even get the normal cannon invites. So you, PLDs, that state you are supposed to be the supreme tank, now want to also be considered one of the top DDs?

And all of you act like its so easy for a nin to become a top DD and tank at same time. Well, if you consider 400 hours farming sky, beating CoP, soloing limbus for months, farming gorget organs solo,over 450k exp in merits, countless millions of gil in DD, tanking, evasion, enmmity, HP gear sets is easy, then you must be God.

Hey, listen to me. Start breathing. Take it easy.

I read every post and I'm not really sure where all this "whining" is coming from. The other PLDs are just stating facts. They're not saying, "Oh its cuz the sun was in my eyes!" Don't act like you've never complained about anything before.

I'm just a 69 Pld, and can't wait til I hit 75. I frankly don't like the job of NIN. Not because it takes up my slot, but the job isn't for me. I get plently of invites NOT lfp because I know how to do my job. Like someone else said, if you have a good refresher that isn't lazy and a smart whm, the pld can do his/her job to the best. I can't remember the last time I had to rest with my dark staff in an exp pt because I was out of MP. The last time I did that was because I'd just used a WS in the fight, and we were outta mobs.

These new additions to the job will help out a lot, whether buzz-killers like Jamal agree with it or not. Don't let one nagger bring down the party guys. Stick with your job and tell anyone that bitches about our job to STFU. :spiteful:

 

[Inunabe]

<.< The only reason I'm not gonna say why the heck is a pld in a pt w/o a brd is because I know how few of us there are.....

But by all means.....I prefer pld tanks.

Once I hit 75 brd go ahead and invite me all you want my fine pld friends.

*huggles all plds* wuv ya guys...

 

[Tagrineth]

<.< The only reason I'm not gonna say why the heck is a pld in a pt w/o a brd is because I know how few of us there are.....

Because putting ballad I and II on a PLD while putting melee songs on the melee jobs is much more awkward than just having a redmage Refresh the paladin?