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gir said:
I can see that no amount of typing is going to change the outlook of the close-minded. I just hope you don't spread your beliefs to your children.

How much more ignorant of a statement could you possibly make?

Sure, i wont bother telling my child that the decision to do drugs is ultimately on them and they will be held accountable for those actions if and or when they do or do not. I wont bother letting them know the best they'll get from me is a trip from rehab and a swift kick in the ass.

Once you have a child you can preach to me about what to teach one.
 
My thought:

1) There is a choice involved.. the first hit and after.. noone becomes absolutely addicted after the first hit of something.. you don't crave anything to that point.. no drug i've ever seen addicts the first moment it enters your system.

2) Mokk's point behind natural birth appears to be that it's a pregnancy where the mother did not use any drugs, in which case the child is not at a higher pre-disposition of doing drugs than any other normal, healthy child.

3) Drug-heads/Addicts seek the next high.. whatever.. that's a common argument too. Now, admittedly I haven't been around a lot of people that do Heroine or Cocaine in my life, but i have seen those who do.. and i've never EVER known someone who smokes pot want to build anything more than a new bong.. and most certainly not new addictions. It's always offered to them by someone who tells them it's harmless and safe and it's someone they've come to trust. i.e. the pusher.. There's quite a difference in that and blaming it on the drug.

4) Once someone is physically addicted it is still not a "disease" per se, but it is beyond choice at that point. Someone needs to intervene, so you are both sort of right in that.

I think that's all I really have to say.
 
If your weak enough to become addicted to anything, a drug, a video game (hint hint), or any other daily action. Your not taking yourself or your life serious enough, couple that with the responsibility of a relationship, marriage, children and you begin to harm others, and affect lives outside of yourself. The largest problem I see with this country is that people are addicted to pointing out others faults (making this post hypocritical but w/e) and not just minding their own business and trying to further the lives, and the lives of the people who depend on them. The country is so cluttered with filth about celebrities dancing, skating, eating, driving with their babies on their laps that we dont see the strung out people who are despondant and probably just needed a little attention as children. Wake up and quit bitching about every little innane detail that hurts you so baddy waddy :( and do something.
I'll end my rant but this topic just makes me sick to see everyone argue over things that have no relevance at all, because mr pothead will always be mr pothead, mr know it all will always be mr know it all, and no ones willing to change themselves because their too caught up trying to change everyone else.
 
Ok here are my two cents until you have been an addict, or are/have been in a close relationship with an adict you dont know squat. Reading about it does nothing. Does reading about how to do open heart surgery make you an expert, no it does not. So until you have had to go through breaking an addiction of your own or had to help someone close to you i have a suggestion SHUT UP
 
Masked Man said:
Ok here are my two cents until you have been an addict, or are/have been in a close relationship with an adict you dont know squat. Reading about it does nothing. Does reading about how to do open heart surgery make you an expert, no it does not. So until you have had to go through breaking an addiction of your own or had to help someone close to you i have a suggestion SHUT UP

Who exactly is this directed at? Cause a few ppl have posted a little about their personal experiences in this area...
 
Masked Man said:
Ok here are my two cents until you have been an addict, or are/have been in a close relationship with an adict you dont know squat. Reading about it does nothing. Does reading about how to do open heart surgery make you an expert, no it does not. So until you have had to go through breaking an addiction of your own or had to help someone close to you i have a suggestion SHUT UP

Self-recovered alchoholic.

There's more sob story to it but i feel what i offered up was bit more enlightening than "poor me."

My appologies, some of us like to have some factual information to go by instead of "well this happened to me so my opinion must be correct." It's called content you should look in to it.

Take your own advice and pipe down, assumptions are unbecoming of you.
 
The thought occurs to me that in 7 pages i'm the only person who quoted fact one, let alone an entire medical paper discrediting my own opinion while only supporting it in very meager ways on only a couple key issues, Yet those who come around to bash the fact quoting and everyone's lack of experience gives so much of a shit about the topic.

Apathy 4tw.... apperantly.
 
Ok so you have done some research good for you. Are you going to do some thing with it besides use the knowledge to bash others? Are any of you going to go down to your local AA or NA and help out? Or is it going to be not my problem till one of your friends of family members gets an addiction of one type or another.
Addiction takes alot of willpower and "HELP" to break. Its not done over night. The lack of compansion i have seen in this thread make me hope that none of your loved ones ever get addicted to anything.
 
Masked Man said:
Ok so you have done some research good for you. Are you going to do some thing with it besides use the knowledge to bash others? Are any of you going to go down to your local AA or NA and help out? Or is it going to be not my problem till one of your friends of family members gets an addiction of one type or another.
Addiction takes alot of willpower and "HELP" to break. Its not done over night. The lack of compansion i have seen in this thread make me hope that none of your loved ones ever get addicted to anything.

Jesus tapdancing christ does no one read the fucking parameters of the boards anymore?

Look, noob, this is how it works here. It's not a fucking charity, this isn't a fucking soup kitchen nor is it the betty goddamn ford clinic. Here we bitch. Plain as that. You want a sense of satisfaction than go to a goddamn shelter and put YOUR face to the grinding wheel, until then learn how msg boards opporate or shut the fuck up.

I help those who help themselves, can you tell who my rolemodel is?
 
Aside from that rereading your post makes me absooutely positive you've not read the entire thread, if you had youd've known that not only was/am i personally an addict in the past and currently. I've had numerous run ins with it in my life ... compassion is an invention of the weak to care for the weaker. Humankind didn't evolve out of compassion, it would be my intention to give people a swift wrath-of-god-fiery-evolution-boot to the ass in this instance, fucking sue me. As stated before i'm not out to recuit people to my side like you soft bastards.

Hell i made both sides of the goddamn argument in this thread for those who weren't mentally inclined enough to do it themselves, don't fucking come at me with that pious bullshit "what're you doing?"

I'm surviving, asswipe, and i'm not alone.
 
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