UCLA Student Tasered by Police in Library

[Tagrineth]

Yeah, but he's shouting what? "PATRIOT ACT!" instead of saying "I can't stand up". If the officers expected him to stand up, then it was because it was on a low voltage setting. Though the amount of times he was shocked does strike a cause for concern, there's nothing wrong with the procedure they took. It was just one dumbass trying to look like a rebel.

He shouted patriot act one time.

And the tasers were on "drive stun" setting, as the articles state, from the first shock to the last.

 

[Chasym]

Actually I read about this some and change my mind. The police do have to give you their ID but not when they're in the middle of apprehending a subject. Trying to interfere with the police while they're in the act of doing something dangerous is at least, retarded.

at the end after they carried the guy out, there were still a couple cops who stayed behind after the "loldanger" had passed to which a student asked for the badge number and he threatend to taser him with taser still in hand, Thats one of the main parts ive seen on most news sites thats gonna get them in trouble.
Looks like almost every media source that has anything on it says the cops were in the wrong the whole way,
the tape clearly shows it.
anyone blind to see that abuse of power is kinda sad.

 

[Sneakypants]

I see it both ways. He could have just left, but the cops could have handled it differently.

They tell him to, "Stand up" like a thousand times, and he clearly isn't. They know they have a large audience. They should have cuffed him and removed him. Deal with it at the fucking police station you morons. WTF

I guess because they aren't using a gun and they think they are hot shit putting on a show for the students that it's ok to "pull the trigger".

 

[Tagrineth]

I see it both ways. He could have just left, but the cops could have handled it differently.

They tell him to, "Stand up" like a thousand times, and he clearly isn't. They know they have a large audience. They should have cuffed him and removed him. Deal with it at the fucking police station you morons. WTF

They did cuff him and remove him, but not without adding a few hundred volts.

 

[Sneakypants]

They did cuff him and remove him, but not without adding a few hundred volts.

A day late and a dollar short, yeah. The vid is like 6+ minutes, and the screaming and shocking is underway from the get go.

Would you take that fucking long to cuff him and take him away as well, or would you always put on a spectacle?

lolUCLAcopsoniceftl

 

[Uzor]

A day late and a dollar short, yeah. The vid is like 6+ minutes, and the screaming and shocking is underway from the get go.

Would you take that fucking long to cuff him and take him away as well, or would you always put on a spectacle?

lolUCLAcopsoniceftl

They cuffed him after the first or second shock. They still gave him 4+ more after that

 

[Claxton]

I bet that kid faps to loose change.

 

[Sneakypants]

They cuffed him after the first or second shock. They still gave him 4+ more after that

Right...And when did they remove him? Which, once they did, was easy as pie.

 

[Keket]

I think is clear that these police "officers" were very much in the wrong.

And no one has addressed this yet: If he was heading for the door, why didn't they just let him leave?

 

[Legomyeggo]

at the end after they carried the guy out, there were still a couple cops who stayed behind after the "loldanger" had passed to which a student asked for the badge number and he threatend to taser him with taser still in hand, Thats one of the main parts ive seen on most news sites thats gonna get them in trouble.
Looks like almost every media source that has anything on it says the cops were in the wrong the whole way,
the tape clearly shows it.
anyone blind to see that abuse of power is kinda sad.

You do realize that the tape shows little to nothing of what happened before the first tazing, right?

 

[Legomyeggo]

And the tasers were on "drive stun" setting, as the articles state, from the first shock to the last.

"Young said, adding that the drive stun would not likely demobilize a person or cause residual pain after the shock was administered. "

 

[Skaw]

You know, handcuffs don't automatically make someone submissive and willing to cooperate. Geez, I was unaware there were people around who are that naive. This deserves an eye popping Psyduck.

All handcuffs mean is that he can't resist much with his arms. He still has his head, torso, and legs.

 

[Sneakypants]

You're right! Cuffs do not equal tranq gun. lol
Still the idiot is on the ground the whole time. The cops with tree trunk sized necks don't appear all that concerned that the kid might lash out as they do with playing with their toys.


Regardless of what "really" went down, and there are definitely 2 sides to every story, the pivotal points are the fact that he was cuffed and still repeatedly shocked despite a lack of a scuffle, and the fact that they dragged him away easily enough...So why didn't they just do that in the first place. If they just took him away, he probably still would have cried out "Patriot Act" to get attention, but in the end, the would be ZERO situation in the library, and ZERO witnesses, and ZERO Youtube videos. lol

These cops are both excessive with their force and generally not so bright. "Hay, we've got lots of people watching and recording our every move. Let's do something really questionable!!"

 

[Skaw]

Silly Sneaky, everything winds up on YouTube, even if theres nothing going on in the video.

 

[Sneakypants]

Silly Sneaky, everything winds up on YouTube, even if theres nothing going on in the video.

lol, so true. How much did they get for selling it again?

 

[Stouter]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VP_M8s0GFEc

The video doesn't show much of anything, it's more audio than video.

First off, people are allowed to be in the library that aren't students up til 11pm from what I understand, after which only stundents are allowed. This kid didn't have his ID, and was asked to leave. Eventually he did, but it took him long enough that rent-a-cops were arriving when he did.

Rather than escort him out, they decided to stop him on the way out. Grabbing his arm and not letting go when asked is a big no-no. If you're at that point, you should be ready to put hand cuffs on the guy.

There were at least 4 cops shown in the video, more than enough to simply cuff and drag away an unarmed person. They decided to use a taser instead.

The video didn't start until after the first taser firing, but from the way he was acting at the start of the video, he might have been screaming and fighting. At one point he was screaming like a moron and it sounded like he was flailing his body around. This might have been when they put hand cuffs on him, because he appeared to have his hand behind his back when he was tased the second time.

This is when students starting asking for badge numbers, which the cops were right to simply ignore at this point.

Now they've got him handcuffed and tased him twice, he's not all that coherent shouting like a mad man about abuse of power. There's at least 3 cops there, but rather than drag him away handcuffed, they repeatedly ask him to stand up.

Two cops drag him away after a few minutes, and a third cop apparently stays behind to calm down the crowd. He was asked for his badge number after the kid had been taken out of the room, and responded by threatening to use a taser on this other kid. You don't work crowd control by threatening violence when you haven't been threatened with violence yourself.

Tasers have become abused as much as mace by police, it has the same effect as punching someone in the nose without the lasting damage that can be used as a case for brutality.

The cops didn't handle the situation properly, when they tried to stop and question the kid and saw him not cooperating, they should have been ready to cuff him or let him leave. They spent too much time trying to get the kid to do what they wanted when it was apparent that he wouldn't.

 

[Makelith]

I'm not sure if its just me missing it, or it being omitted entirely. What was his medical condition? Depending on what his condition is i think really could make a big difference for me.

 

[Raesylil]

They handcuff him for forgetting his library card and not leaving the library in a timely fashion and resisting >.>
Hmmm....I wonder what they mean for timely? I'm just guessing he was there for 5 minutes to finish whatever he was doing and then leave.
Then an officer grabs him to "escort" him out. Don't you think anyone would give a little resistance? He was walking out just as they told him to. He was cooperating. He probably jerked his arm trying to loosen the officer's hold...technically they are not supposed to even lay a finger on you.
Unless you give them good enough reason to which I think wasn't good enough to warrant this.

"Young said, adding that the drive stun would not likely demobilize a person or cause residual pain after the shock was administered. "

Someone taser Young and lets see if his statement is true.
Most likely after getting shocked like that, the person would not have been able to move for a few minutes at least.
It seems there are individual differences in the recovery process but let's just say this kid couldn't stand up at all until those 15 minutes pass.
Then yelling at him to "Stand up!!" is pointless.
Granted, you won't know how long it will take for him to stand up but demanding a person to stand up when he possibly couldn't is too much.

Still if you have gotten an electrical shock...I don't know about you but that shit hurts >.< My fingers got shocked once and it took at least 3 min to get them moving again.

This kid was walking out and then gets grabbed by an officer. If he was walking out then they should have let him walk out, not cause something to include screaming and shouting.
The kid got shocked at least 4 times with short intervals of maybe 1-2 minutes in between each shock. If he was able to recover by then, they sent him back to being unable to again.
Good going.
So you demand a student to stand up when they made it possible for him not to because of the body's recovery from the taser shock.
Riiiight.

They should have handled things differently if anything.
If they needed proof that this guy was a student then why didnt they ask his student ID number?
Oh wait....that takes too long right?

 

[Stouter]

I'm not sure he was shot 4 times with a taser, you can clearly hear one taser fire in the video over his screaming, and he was supposedly shot once before the video started. A couple times during the video he started screaming and what sounded like struggling, but that could be from officers trying to pick him up, because I couldn't hear taser fire during any other of his shouting fits.

 

[Skaw]

"Fuck Off" isn't the safety word, try again. The guy repeatedly saying "This is an abuse of their power" reminds me of the chewing gum representitive from Clerks. Just the way he was saying it made it sound like it was staged for some reason.