UCLA Student Tasered by Police in Library

When the cops said "If you're not gonna stand up you're gonna get tased again." a few times then you hear the kid screaming as if in pain very loudly.
I'm not saying I saw it like I was there but after reading the articles and listening to the video...this guy screamed like that about 3-4 times in 1-2 minute intervals.

If you get shocked and yes, it can be painful, you may as well scream.
Who knows? Maybe he didn't get tased 4 times but they still tased him anyway.
Judging by the number of people and the amount of noise...and the video was taken from behind a sizable crowd...I don't know if you can hear the taser shot but I'm assuming with those 3-4 screams this kid made I'm assuming they did tase him that many times.
 
Skaw said:
"Fuck Off" isn't the safety word, try again.
It's also not a liscense to beat the crap out of someone. The kid was fighting a retarded cause against the system, and the cops only perpetuated the situation instead of controlling it.
 
Chasym said:
at the end after they carried the guy out, there were still a couple cops who stayed behind after the "loldanger" had passed to which a student asked for the badge number and he threatend to taser him with taser still in hand, Thats one of the main parts ive seen on most news sites thats gonna get them in trouble.
Looks like almost every media source that has anything on it says the cops were in the wrong the whole way, the tape clearly shows it. anyone blind to see that abuse of power is kinda sad.

pfft, bleeding hearts plz. the kid resisted the police, plain and simple. if you're breaking a just law, you deserve what you get. if the fuzz had asked him to leave because of his nationality then yea, this is an outrage, but they asked him for his student ID. he didn't have it they told him to leave, he didn't leave when he was told. the cops confronted him and he turned into an ass, and he got tazed. Works for me.

Police put their lives on the line on a regular basis to protect the people of society from the scum therein. They shouldn't have to deal w/ this kind of bullshit, you follow the laws or you deal with the consequenses (sp?). Seriously i don't see the problem. The kid didn't have to get unruly when they grabbed him, all he had to do was shrug them off and say "i'm leaving" instead of turning into a jackass. Granted, the situation could have been handled better, by both the cops and the guy involved, but hindsight is 20/20.
 
He was trying to leave.. THEY stopped him from leaving by grabbing his arm and being jackasses
 
Keket said:
He was trying to leave.. THEY stopped him from leaving by grabbing his arm and being jackasses

Regardless, if a Cop grabs you, you don't shout "DONT FUCKING TOUCH ME" and struggle against them. Even if you were leaving willingly(unbeknownst to the cops,) if they're there to escort you, let them.

Even if the cops "went too far," he did everything he could to throw civility out the window. Deserved what he got.
 
Stouter said:
I'm not sure he was shot 4 times with a taser, you can clearly hear one taser fire in the video over his screaming, and he was supposedly shot once before the video started. A couple times during the video he started screaming and what sounded like struggling, but that could be from officers trying to pick him up, because I couldn't hear taser fire during any other of his shouting fits.

You can hear the buzzing sound from it at several points. Although its quite low due to the distance and the screaming
 
I don't see how it's neccessary to tase someone multiple times "in handcuffs" with 4 police officers present. Even 1 officer could argueablely be plenty to take away someone in handcuffs, especially someone who appears to be a little pussy.

I feel tasers are for controlling violently and appearantly violently acting people, in order to avoid use of potientally permently harmful means, such as nightsticks and guns to name a few. I don't get the impression in either the video or the story that this kid appeared to be harmful. Uncooporating and foolish yes, but harmful no.

I'm not buying the statement that tasers leave no pain or prolonged immobility either. Police officers praise tasers with such statements as "They're safe and leave no permenant physical harm." More than likely if they made statements about tasers with not so much sugar coating they may find themselves without access to such tools...Tools, not toys.

I remember in my town the police department recently wanted more money so they could fund getting tasers with such arguements as the one I made up above. Just what they need...Tasers so now when they pull over cars for no reason, wrongfully acuse us of having drugs in hopes of getting lucky, and illegally search our trucks, they can then tase us. And it's reasons why that why people hate cops. It's not always some hippy standpoint of "fight the system!". I personally hate people who feel that way, but at the same time I refuse to always blindly support the police's actions at times; they're humans and they can be horrible people too.

Hell, the scumbag officers where I live will randomly jump highschoolers and kids home from college walking on the sidewalks at night who are minding their own business, slam them against there car/ground, put their foot against the kid's neck and scream such pharses as "Freeze asshole/scumbag/etc." They're just looking for trouble where there is none. There is no denying power hungry police officers exist, and it's extermely similar in many places I imagine, big and small towns alike, such as UCLA.

This isn't to say I feel tasers are never apprioate, some people are simply dangerous and lose control of themselves. Nor is the above to say I'm against police officers being that I've met "plenty" of great officers so there is a positive sense of feeling within me about them too. Hell I'll consider becoming a police officer if my goals of becoming a personal trainer turn out unsuccessful. However, the officers in the story in my mind clearly showed extermely unproportional force in compression to the student.The student was described as being a pain in the ass yes, but his actions no where in my thought justify the reaction by the police.

I don't care if the kid could get up or not, why does it matter? Is it needed to tase someone laying on the floor? Someone that's in a state of being rather harmless too.

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Skaw said:
Even if the cops "went too far," he did everything he could to throw civility out the window. Deserved what he got.

Somewhat agreed, he certainly did throw out civility the window. And I'll even agree with you on the fact he did indeed deserve it. That still doesn't make it right on part of the police though.
 
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Keep in mind too, that these are not REAL cops, there are Renta-Cops. If you've ever met these, you know they rejects who get overly aggresive and are drunk with their "power".
 
cops better be glad it wasn't a niglet they tased, they'd be getting reamed by jesse jackson and his band of idiots yelling racism.
 
Halifirien said:
I smell a juicy lawsuit, and I bet the kid wins.

You're halfway there.

LA Times said:
LA Times | November 17, 2006
Stuart Silverstein

The UCLA student stunned with a Taser by a campus police officer has hired a high-profile civil rights lawyer who plans to file a brutality lawsuit.

The videotaped incident, which occurred after the student refused requests to show his ID card to campus officers, triggered widespread debate on and off campus Thursday about whether use of the Taser was warranted. It was the third in a recent series of local incidents captured on video that raise questions about arrest tactics.

Attorney Stephen Yagman said he plans to file a federal civil rights lawsuit accusing the UCLA police of "brutal excessive force," as well as false arrest. The lawyer also provided the first public account of the Tuesday night incident at UCLA's Powell Library from the student, Mostafa Tabatabainejad, a 23-year-old senior.

He said that Tabatabainejad, when asked for his ID after 11 p.m. Tuesday, declined because he thought he was being singled out because of his Middle Eastern appearance. Yagman said Tabatabainejad is of Iranian descent but is a U.S.-born resident of Los Angeles.

The lawyer said Tabatabainejad eventually decided to leave the library but when an officer refused the student's request to take his hand off him, the student fell limp to the floor, again to avoid participating in what he considered a case of racial profiling. After police started firing the Taser, Tabatabainejad tried to "get the beating, the use of brutal force, to stop by shouting and causing people to watch. Generally, police don't want to do their dirties in front of a lot of witnesses."

He said Tabatabainejad was hit by the Taser five times and suffered "moderate to severe contusions" on his right side.

UCLA officials declined to respond directly to Yagman's statements, saying they still were conducting their internal investigation of the incident.

The university said earlier, however, that Tabatabainejad was asked for his ID as part of a routine nightly procedure to make sure that everyone using the library after 11 p.m. is a student or otherwise authorized to be there. Campus officials have said the long-standing policy was adopted to ensure students' safety.

UCLA also said that Tabatabainejad refused repeated requests by a community service officer and regular campus police to provide identification or to leave. UCLA said the police decided to use the Taser to incapacitate Tabatabainejad only after the student urged other library patrons to join his resistance.

Some witnesses disputed that account, saying that when campus police arrived, Tabatabainejad had begun to walk toward the door.

In a prepared statement released late Thursday, UCLA's interim chancellor, Norman Abrams, urged the public to "withhold judgment" while the campus police department investigates. "I, too, have watched the videos, and I do not believe that one can make a fair judgment regarding the matter from the videos alone. I am encouraged that a number of witnesses have come forward and are participating in the investigation."

Meanwhile, student activists were organizing a midday rally today to protest the incident, and the Southern California office of the Council on American-Islamic Relations called for an independent investigation.

The incident follows the recent announcement that four of the campus police department's nearly 60 full-time sworn officers had won so-called Taser Awards granted by the manufacturer of the device to "law enforcement officers who save a life in the line of duty through extraordinary use of the Taser." The award stemmed from an incident in which officers subdued a patient who allegedly threatened staff at the campus' Neuropsychiatric Hospital with metal scissors.

Jeff Young, assistant police chief, declined to indicate whether any of the honored officers were among the several involved in Tuesday's incident.
 
So he dove to the floor specifically to trouble the officers that were there simply to escort him out of the library? What a douche. I bet you carebears will still want to take this spoiled kids side after reading that. He was fighting against them from the start, end of story. His "inability" to stand up after getting hit with the tazer once seems most likely to be more tantrum throwing after reading that.
 
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Skaw said:
So he dove to the floor specifically to trouble the officers that were there simply to escort him out of the library? What a douche. I bet you carebears will still want to take this spoiled kids side after reading that. He was fighting against them from the start, end of story. His "inability" to stand up after getting hit with the tazer once seems most likely to be more tantrum throwing after reading that.

It's possible to not take a side as well for the opinion both parties commited wrong. Justice would be some firings/penalties and the kid getting nothing.
 
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My opinion:

The kid was an idiot.
The rent-a-cops went way too far.

Solution to prevent these things? Whenever police abuse their power, let everyone know and tell them to let their police chiefs, district state senators(?), local lawyers and whoever else might be able to take care of situations like that and let them know your concern and ask them what they can do.

NEVER raise your voice to the police. NEVER physically resist the police. You can easily be charged with assault. Instead, brush up on all of your rights during police encounters and if you know they've done something wrong, seek legal assistance AFTERWORDS. We still have somewhat of a partially decent legal system in tact.

If you are arrested just hope you aren't having your rights violated by someone with the authority to consider you a enemy combatant. If that happens, you're fucked via Military Commisions Act of 2006 and no habeas corpus writ for you.
 
/sigh

There was no reason for him to refuse to show an ID card. If you don't have it with you, you say "Oops, I forgot it" and you pack your shit and leave.

There was absolutely no reason for them to grab his arm and escort him out if he was on his way out already.

There was no reason for him to yell "let go" or "get your hands off me". They are police, even if only campus police. Law enforcement officers don't have the best record for using force justly in LA, but that is all the more reason to be agreeable and docile. They are there, after all, to protect and serve.

After all that, the police had plenty of reason to handcuff or taser him, not both.

The only thing the patriot act has to do with the situation is the fact that Tabatabainejad was screaming about it at the top of his lungs.

After he was in handcuffs, the taser should have been put away, and he should have been carried away. At this point in time he should be arrested for failure to comply with a uniformed officer.

Also, the officers should be reprimanded for using excessive force, as well as threatening a bystander for asking for their badge number. There is no need to use a taser on someone for not standing up, especially when there were 2 or more officers there that could easily carry him from the building.

If you cooperate with police, you'll be treated with respect and fairness in most cases. If you cooperate and are still treated poorly, then you have a case on your hands. His case won't hold water because of how much he was resisting. Tough luck Mr. Tabatabainejad.

Fun Fact: The spell checker wants to change Taser to Teaser. How Ironic.
 
The kid shouldn't get anything from a trial, the rent a cops involved should get a reprimand, and proper training. Most security guards get practically no training, I'd be surprised if they even had more than 5 minutes of training with those tasers.
 
If I was to post the same exact movie cept the longer version before this one I woulda just been called a troll and had my thread moved to the flameboard then locked.
 
Shintroy said:
If I was to post the same exact movie cept the longer version before this one I woulda just been called a troll and had my thread moved to the flameboard then locked.

It's because of your obsession with animated pornography. We treat hentai lovers like RMT terrorists in this here forum.
 
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