Uganda to kill all gays with U.S congressional support

I think you missed the point of the HIV thing.
The idea Alanon was getting behind is the fact that an HIV positive person willingly spreading the virus would get the death penalty. Once the person knows they have HIV any unprotected sex they have with another human being is technically akin to murder not only of the original person but everyone infected by the victim before he/she discovers that they contracted HIV. It's like unleashing a biological weapon on the general population simply because you wanted to get laid.

Oh and since when has the rest of the world given a shit about human rights abuses and mass genocide? I don't forsee too much fallout. Before everyone decides to watch Oprah's "final" episode or something.
 
Khajit said:
I think you missed the point of the HIV thing.
The idea Alanon was getting behind is the fact that an HIV positive person willingly spreading the virus would get the death penalty. Once the person knows they have HIV any unprotected sex they have with another human being is technically akin to murder not only of the original person but everyone infected by the victim before he/she discovers that they contracted HIV. It's like unleashing a biological weapon on the general population simply because you wanted to get laid.
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This. I realize it's a bit off the original topic, and I was hoping that reading comprehension was better around here, but my belief on this is not limited to gay or straight, nor a blanket to cover all that have HIV. I harbor disdain for those infected who knowingly engage in activity that could cause others to be infected. It is an extremely selfish, deadly, and evil thing to do and perpetraitors should be subject to the harshest of penalties.
 
Khajit said:
The idea Alanon was getting behind is the fact that an HIV positive person willingly spreading the virus would get the death penalty. Once the person knows they have HIV any unprotected sex they have with another human being is technically akin to murder not only of the original person but everyone infected by the victim before he/she discovers that they contracted HIV. It's like unleashing a biological weapon on the general population simply because you wanted to get laid.
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boi-oi-oi-oing.

Logic boner.
 
Well... that's for people who have actually been diagnosed. A lot of the spread isn't something that can really be helped, it's not like health care is free and awesome in "3rd world" countries.

Isn't it a crime already (at least in the States) if you don't tell someone that you have aids before sexual intercourse?

Where you actually have to legally tell a sexual partner that you have aids?
 
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This. I realize it's a bit off the original topic, and I was hoping that reading comprehension was better around here, but my belief on this is not limited to gay or straight, nor a blanket to cover all that have HIV. I harbor disdain for those infected who knowingly engage in activity that could cause others to be infected. It is an extremely selfish, deadly, and evil thing to do and perpetrators should be subject to the harshest of penalties.
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On an issue as controversial as this, reading comprehension has little to do with confusion. The article states that anyone caught having gay sex will be killed, should they test positive for HIV. It doesn't specifically say "Anyone who's HIV positive who has gay sex will be killed", leaving open to interpretation whether or not it means "Anyone who has gay sex and THEN gets HIV will be killed". Therefore, the perpetrator AND the victim will both be killed, because they fit the criteria (HIV + Had gay sex). Also, do you think they'll be lenient on the victims of HIV? (ie people who had gay sex with someone who had HIV). This person already broke the law by having gay sex, so they'll perpetrate them just the same, I reckon.

This whole issue is ridiculous, yet horrifyingly real. I don't agree with a single principle in this suggestion; it's just another example of a homophobic group hiding behind religion to spread their hatred.
 
Khajit said:
Oh and since when has the rest of the world given a shit about human rights abuses and mass genocide? I don't forsee too much fallout. Before everyone decides to watch Oprah's "final" episode or something.
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Exactly, this is horrible, and i agree something should be done. But nothing will be done. Anyone here really think uganda is the only country out there executing gay people?

hell the president of Iran made the famous "we don't have gays in iran" comment ON American soil, and the American news stations were laughing and cracking jokes about it.. now really, use logic for one second, what do you think "we don't have gays in iran" means?

Besides we already learned the hard way that stepping in and stopping genocide in another country is evil and makes you "imperialist nation builders", and is just gonna create more terrorist. I mean, how dare we assume we know how they should be running their country? being "world police" and whatnot (being sarcastic incase you can't tell)
 
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My reading comprehension is just fine. Agreeing with general inflammatory statements without elaborating is what got you the response you're getting. I think it's pretty disgusting that someone would knowingly spread the disease as well. But I'm sure the law isn't going to lay out "Hey you didn't know you had AIDS, so you just get to die in prison instead of being executed." The problem with the way you're thinking is assuming that the great majority even know they have AIDS. This is Africa. There isn't a doctor on every streetcorner checking blood samples from random snippits of the populace making infected people wear a big scarlet A.

I'm sure some people DO know. And I'm also quite sure those folks are few and far between. It's about the same amount that have access to genuine medical care and don't have to worry about having enough to eat this week. Considering that, I wouldn't go around quoting a statement that advocates executing infected gay people. But that's just me.
 
Thelona said:
Exactly, this is horrible, and i agree something should be done. But nothing will be done. Anyone here really think uganda is the only country out there executing gay people?

hell the president of Iran made the famous "we don't have gays in iran" comment ON American soil, and the American news stations were laughing and cracking jokes about it.. now really, use logic for one second, what do you think "we don't have gays in iran" means?

Besides we already learned the hard way that stepping in and stopping genocide in another country is evil and makes you "imperialist nation builders", and is just gonna create more terrorist. I mean, how dare we assume we know how they should be running their country? (being sarcastic incase you can't tell)
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Except we don't go in to stop genocide. If we refers the the USA then we've technically caused far more genocide than they've ostensibly gone in to stop. Half of south/central America( who can forget plunging a country into bloody civil war for over 4 decades over bananas?),east Timor/Singapore(gave certain factions the weapons for genocide for free to expidite the ethnic cleaning of ),the Dominican republic, the middle east in general(the iraq/iran war, Israel's genocide is sponsored partially by American weapons given away to them by the government)
Given the US track record of not giving a shit about how horrible a dictator is as long as he's useful it's not surprising that most countries would be wary of the US having any power over them.

A few Sources. You can look up the rest if bored since i don't think listing everything is necessary for the point.

http://www.cracked.com/article_15967_awful-truth-behind-5-items-probably-on-your-grocery-list.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history#East_Timor_under_Indonesian_occupation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran–Iraq_war
 
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Halifirien said:
The witches will probably be relieved to have someone else taking the heat for awhile.
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I didn't say that still happens mister smarty pants, but the fact that it did and apparently still can (just in different terms) is frightening.
 
Im not getting into some big debate over past use of Americas power, its gonna drive this thread way off topic and its not gonna go anywhere anyways. (not to mention its beating a dead horse)

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Israel's genocide is sponsored partially by American weapons given away to them by the government)
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Except for this one, cause its ridiculously easy to point out, thats two sided and you know it. You try living in a country where you're constantly worrying about being bombed/mortared from every direction. and see if you magically quit giving a shit when your government uses a heavy hand in striking back.

I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of some people who would say we have no business meddling in other countries affairs, suddenly having a turn around when they're killing gays instead of just randomly killing everyone.

As to the piece of shit evangelicals over there pushing this. As a Christian I believe theres a very special level of hell for people who warp gods name into a club to beat people down with like this.


Edit:: seems to me the way they're wrapping the HIV thing around this, that they are using gays as the scapegoat for their HIV problem, (that sound familiar to anyone?)
sadly the majority of their population is most likely so uneducated they will swallow this.
 
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Thelona said:
Im not getting into some big debate over past use of Americas power, its gonna drive this thread way off topic and its not gonna go anywhere anyways. (not to mention its beating a dead horse)



Except for this one, cause its ridiculously easy to point out, thats two sided and you know it. You try living in a country where you're constantly worrying about being bombed/mortared from every direction. and see if you magically quit giving a shit when your government uses a heavy hand in striking back.

I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of some people who would say we have no business meddling in other countries affairs, suddenly having a turn around when they're killing gays instead of just randomly killing everyone.

As to the piece of shit evangelicals over there pushing this. As a Christian I believe theres a very special level of hell for people who warp gods name into a club to beat people down with like this.
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The Palestinians(and the rest of the middle east) didn't start hating Israel until the Zionists formed it via committing mass rape and genocide(discounting the defrauding of the native people of their land and incitement of previously nonexistent racial tensions the Zionists had worked on for the last 3~4 decades) and took the entirety of Palestine as their own so yes that does still count. It's not nearly as two sided as you think it is. Lookup a video of peaceful protests by Palestinians if you want to see a bunch of people shot at and mocked. The only thing Israel is defending itself from are people whom it has and currently intends to continue mass genocide against.

AS for why Palestine didn't split into a jew/arab 50/50 state several decades ago incase you decide to bring that up for a peaceful resolution that could have happened? The Jewish people's were 5% of the population at max after several decades of the zionists telling the jewish people that Israel didn't have anyone else already living in it and the mass exodus to Israel during the holocaust. The zionists demanded that they receive half the land at minimum.
 
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Khajit said:
The Palestinians(and the rest of the middle east) didn't start hating Israel until the Zionists formed it via committing mass rape and genocide(discounting the defrauding of the native people of their land and incitement of previously nonexistent racial tensions the Zionists had worked on for the last 3~4 decades) and took the entirety of Palestine as their own so yes that does still count. It's not nearly as two sided as you think it is. Lookup a video of peaceful protests by Palestinians if you want to see a bunch of people shot at and mocked. The only thing Israel is defending itself from are people whom it has and currently intends to continue mass genocide against.
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and that land belonged to the jews before THEY were forced out by genocide and killing. whats your point? oh that means its OK to go kill a bunch of random innocent citizens?

please just drop it here, don't turn this into a Palestine / Israel debate.
those always turn out ugly and just go around in circles.

Jews/ Christians/ Muslims have been killing each other for ownership of that land for thousands of years and the fact that ""group A" had it first!" means nothing and doesn't excuse any party for the killing.
 
Thelona said:
and that land belonged to the jews before THEY were forced out by genocide and killing. whats your point? oh that means its OK to go kill a bunch of random innocent citizens?

please just drop it here, don't turn this into a Palestine / Israel debate.
those always turn out ugly and just go around in circles.

Jews/ Christians/ Muslims have been killing each other for ownership of that land for thousands of years and the fact that ""group A" had it first!" means nothing and doesn't excuse any party for the killing.
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Except the Jews/Christians/Muslims never hated each other until the Israel situation other than the crusades. The idea that they've hated each other for centuries is a complete myth. They were treated as equal citizens there. Just because Europe didn't do so doesn't mean everyone else followed suit.

And yeah this could derail things too much.
The Jewish people weren't driven out by genocide the "first" time either btw. The Jews in Israel currently aren't even descended from the Jews from that region. they're germanic people. If you wish to lay claim to New York by converting to an Iroquois religion then go right ahead.
 
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Khajit said:
Except the Jews/Christians/Muslims never hated each other until the Israel situation .
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right you keep telling yourself that.

you make it sound like you think "the jews" are responsible for all the hate.

anyways yeah, we're off topic, im done with this issue.
 
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No. the Zionists are responsible for all the hate. Committing mass genocide to the local population tends to do that.
 
Khajit said:
No. the Zionists are responsible for all the hate. Committing mass genocide to the local population tends to do that.
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w/e lets get back on topic.

I'd love to see the US atleast do an investigation into this and at the very least extradite any of those religious extremist pushing this shit, who may be from the US.

tho I'm still betting they aren't gonna do shit except for "condemn their actions" if even that much.
 
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