Direwolf said:
What I BELIEVE and put my faith in is science and math. What independent sources who do studies say, and when they back up said statements with SCIENTIFIC proof and not he said she said bullshit. I BELIEVE in stuff like this:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html
Until you can go point by point through that articale and explain in SCIENTIFIC and LOGICAL terms why they are wrong your opinion is as valid, as they do for your arguments. Then your opinion gets as much wheight as the crazy old man on the subway who told me that drinking my own urine would prevent me from getting aids.
I don't know if this is directed to me or not, but I don't doubt anything in the article, and they only reaffirm what I already know. There's a lot of people pointing fingers about the whole 9/11 thing, and I do recall with reasonable clarity what happened.
I saw the WTC towers go down on TV in class. My own grandmother was almost hit by the plane that hit the Pentagon. I don't forget things like that.
Direwolf said:
that security blanket of blind hate you wraped around yourself. This is not the first time this articale is posted, and every time the people whom its directed at conviniently ignore its existance.
As true as it is, people who believe the opposite because of the security blanket of trust also exist, and debunk everything which goes against their grain because it hurts their trust in the gov't.
Direwolf said:
Now comes the interesting question, can you live with that? I for one know I can, not sure about the rest of you. Its a level of security we quite frankly need. We are by far the most hated people on this earth, I would rather we keep tabs on people trying to screw us over.
Is that paranoia speaking? I know for a fact that any paranoia tends to create its own problems, which in turn only makes the paranoia more set in the minds of the people involved, because it "goes against" the problem in their minds.
Exaggerated case in point (think during WW2): a tortured person (Jew, soldier, whoever) doesn't want to be punished again for fellow POW's attempting escape. His attempts to dissuade escape are almost entirely or completely motivated by his fear. His solution to dealing with the problem is keeping tabs on everyone he's with, making damn sure he might not get in trouble again.
This is how the Nazi's were able to put so many people into concentration camps. They merely used the prisoner's fear of escape or death against them, making it so everything they did was motivated by fear. They only needed enough soldiers there to keep the fear factor in effect.
Ask any good drill sargeant if they play mind games like this on their people, and they'll most likely tell you yes (but certainly not on such an inhumane way), because they have to teach their men how to deal with torture on every level involved, paranoia only being one of them.
The general American public is afraid of being hurt again. You look at the sales of surveillance equipment/computers/infrastructure; compare it to what it was before 9/11, and tell me yourself what you see.
Over a third of the American military are in the Reserves, and generally, their fear is the same. Our own military is the same military which (in the past for sure) abuses iraqi/al'qaeda POWs and has even raped women (likely for relief of the everyday stresses). Is that so suprising?
Direwolf said:
The fact that we need to care about that miserable shithole of a region is all because they have one of the key components of our economy.
Agreed, it was not only a war about freeing Iraq, but it was also about the oil.
