Ultima Linkshells?

Shaidalyn

Shaidalyn

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I'm just curious right now (only 63 rdm, only on ZM 6 (in 1 fight) so nothng close to Sea.. but that can be done in a few weeks time with proper help.. just need the 14 levels but .... once I get sky those will fly.. need the inspiration
I am curious.. are there any Ultima LS's out there? I was playing with modelviewer and saw Narasimha's and almost died. It's what I want in a bard..... on RdM?! Now.. I hear its off drops from Ultima Weapon so this is no joke.. (nor is Bloody Scalemail and people have it)
Just curious, do they exist?
 
Narashima Vest? As in the Level 74 pretty damn cheap armor? lol
 
Your post looks a little confusing, let me take a crack at it. I think you mean Nashira Manteel, which looks somewhat like brd JSE and can be worn by rdm. Ultima can drop Ultima's Heart, which is rare/ex, and traded for Nashira Manteel.

Yes there are linkshells that are doing limbus with the goal of defeating Ultima and Omega, and by the time you reach sea there will be even more, and they will be better informed and more experienced at limbus. The majority of these groups are currently linkshells (primarily end game ls's) that only do limbus with their own members, however.
 
Well I'm triing to get my LS to do 5-1 mission this weekend. I want to start the damn zilart after 2.5 years of playing and not much to prove from it except shit that I got from people that quit lol. But from what I've seen from what my bro has done CoP and RoZ are both great stories that everyone should do.
 
Shaidalyn said:
I'm just curious right now (only 63 rdm, only on ZM 6 (in 1 fight) so nothng close to Sea.. but that can be done in a few weeks time with proper help.. just need the 14 levels but .... once I get sky those will fly.. need the inspiration
I am curious.. are there any Ultima LS's out there? I was playing with modelviewer and saw Narasimha's and almost died. It's what I want in a bard..... on RdM?! Now.. I hear its off drops from Ultima Weapon so this is no joke.. (nor is Bloody Scalemail and people have it)
Just curious, do they exist?
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Hmm. You're a bit confused. I think Stouter stated it nicely but I'll add to his post. I am a part of a well-established limbus group already.

The item you are thinking about is the Nashira Manteel. This item is the "mage version" of Limbus armor that you can obtain only by killing Proto-Ultima. IF and when he dies, he has a chance to drop 5 pieces of his body. Please note that this is the Limbus version of the Ultima you fight in CoP. You cannot get the body parts just by doing the CoP missions alone. You need Ultima's Heart in order to get the the Nashira Manteel.

In order to be able to participate in these fights, you will need to have access to Sea. This is chapter 8-1 of the CoP expansion I believe. After you have access to Sea, you need to join a group or linkshell that dedicates time to Limbus runs. Right now, the groups are closely-knitted groups of friends or acquaintances. So jumping right into one may be a little difficult.

Now when you're in Limbus, you have an option of two paths, Temenos & Apollyon. Apollyon's last boss is Proto-Omega (which drops the melee version of the Nashira). Temenos' last boss is Proto-Ultima, which is the boss you will want to fight for your Nashira pieces. Since we are focusing on Temenos, I'll just comment on that.

In order to fight Proto-Ultima, at the very minimum, you will have to run Temenos' 6 times AND WIN. Why 6 times? Well because in order to open the "sequel" path, you have to win. There are 3 initial paths (North, East, West). Each victory will give you a chip (rare/ex, the SAME person has to have these). This chip is used to open the next path. Once the chip is used, it is gone. So it is very important that you do not fail, else you'll have to repeat the previous Temenos. I know it all sounds confusing, so I'll try to diagram it for you.

Temenos North (If Won) -> Ivory Chip -> Temenos Central Floor 3
Temenos East (If Won) -> Emerald Chip -> Temenos Central Floor 1
Temenos West (If Won) -> Scarlet Chip -> Temenos Central Floor 2

Now, if you completed all Central Floors of Temenos, you should obtain 3 new chips. These chips are used to go to Temenos Center, which will allow you to fight Proto-Ultima.

Now remember, I said you have to go a MINIMUM of SIX times. That considers the fact that you never lose each of the corresponding Temenos Limbus'. It becomes increasingly more frustrating, especially if you lose at one of the Central Floors, because you have to go back and start over for that path. It ESPECIALLY hurts if you lose to Proto-Ultima. You have to go back and do ALL of Temenos ALL OVER AGAIN.

With that aside, there are other factors you have to consider.

1. Limbus (in general) is fun and short but requires you to do your best. If you fail, frustration will ensue because you can't go to Limbus everyday. You have a lockout (just like Dynamis). You can only attend Limbus every 3 days.

2. Unless you make your own Limbus linkshell, you will be the very last to obtain the Nashira item you want (unless that LS has some other lotting mechanism in place). People have put months of effort to Limbus and isn't going to allow any newcomer to just come and lot on the body pieces. By using my guide above, fighting Proto-Ultima will take at the very least, 4 weeks to do (given you win every one).

3. The members may have different goals. Some may just want the AF+1 items. Others may just want beastcoins. Some may want to do Proto-Omega's items. With all that in consideration, it will take a lot longer than 4 weeks to accomplish your goal. My limbus shell has been going since October and only 2 of us have the Limbus armor (from Apollyon, which is... in my opinion... an easier path than Temenos). You have to do something that will please everyone or you'll get dissension in your ranks, which causes drama. And we all know drama too well in this game.

Hope this helps. Feel free to ask any questions if you're confused (I'm sure you are). :)
 
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Your post just showed me why I joined QCDN.. thank you, for actually explaining.
[Edit: Glad a QCDN member was able to help, next time please do not quote his post 100% though. ;) -Sculli]

Yes, I mean the RdM Sha'ir look alike.. there is a Body, Hands, Legs, Feet, Head armor.. so I left it open.
I am rather patient (I've been looking at Sha'ir since I first saw it, and have not once been in any rush to get it.) I know I need Sea, which is a VERY far away thing seeing as CoP is mostly level capped, so that kicks a RdM in the face.. However if required I will level EVERY (all 15) to 50.. I really a in this game for the long haul. I fully see myself playing this a year or two from now. If I joined an LS I would be appauled to be able to lot on such an item so early, if I had to wait 6 months, I'd gladly do it.
I played this game since 31 for one thing.. end game. It's one of my reasons for being Red Mage. Dynamis looks exciting, Sky, Sea, Gods, HNM... all look good to me. People say how terrible it is but.. buckle down. Sometimes you gotta bite the bullet and just push forward to get what you want.
I want this Manteel. If I have to wait for THREE expansions to hit I'll do it. I was just curious about the existance of shells that do Ultima as this is something I'd like to do. Rdm, Smn, and Brd will all be high end jobs for me, all of which I hear are useful in some engame areas.
Thank you for the responses and the GREAT response by Faluzure.
 
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Shaidalyn said:
Your post just showed me why I joined QCDN.. thank you, for actually explaining.
Yes, I mean the RdM Sha'ir look alike.. there is a Body, Hands, Legs, Feet, Head armor.. so I left it open.
I am rather patient (I've been looking at Sha'ir since I first saw it, and have not once been in any rush to get it.) I know I need Sea, which is a VERY far away thing seeing as CoP is mostly level capped, so that kicks a RdM in the face.. However if required I will level EVERY (all 15) to 50.. I really a in this game for the long haul. I fully see myself playing this a year or two from now. If I joined an LS I would be appauled to be able to lot on such an item so early, if I had to wait 6 months, I'd gladly do it.
I played this game since 31 for one thing.. end game. It's one of my reasons for being Red Mage. Dynamis looks exciting, Sky, Sea, Gods, HNM... all look good to me. People say how terrible it is but.. buckle down. Sometimes you gotta bite the bullet and just push forward to get what you want.
I want this Manteel. If I have to wait for THREE expansions to hit I'll do it. I was just curious about the existance of shells that do Ultima as this is something I'd like to do. Rdm, Smn, and Brd will all be high end jobs for me, all of which I hear are useful in some engame areas.
Thank you for the responses and the GREAT response by Faluzure.
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Why does CoP being level capped kick an RDM in the face? I'm not understanding your reasoning here. You're level 63, you can do all the CoP missions that are capped up to 60. You DEFINITELY don't need to level every job to 50. Only a select few group of the CoP missions are level capped. After you get past the capped ones, you *NEED* to be level 70+. So concentrate on RDM to 75 is the most important thing. You need to be 75 for many more reasons than just CoP missions.

Do you want the Manteel just for looks or for usage? It seems you want it because it looks great. A lot of problems in the Limbus groups is that people want these items to show off, regardless if they see much usage. The Nashira Manteel is good but RDM AF+1 is, by far, the best piece for Red Mage. The same can be argued for Bard. Kirin's Osode is considered by most, better than Sha'ir Manteel.

And again, you should say "Limbus Linkshells", not "Ultima linkshells".
 
Yeah, these guys did a good job of explaining Limbus.

And every cop mission can be done on every job. People just sometimes get close-minded and want the perfect party for some bcs. But rdm? Rdm is one of the more useful jobs for it...I'd understand if you were complaining as a Drg,thf, bst, etc(not saying they are bad, people just generally tend to overlook them for missions) .
 
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Yeah, these guys did a good job of explaining Limbus.

And every cop mission can be done on every job. People just sometimes get close-minded and want the perfect party for some bcs. But rdm? Rdm is one of the more useful jobs for it...I'd understand if you were complaining as a Drg,thf, bst, etc(not saying they are bad, people just generally tend to overlook them for missions) .
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In all honesty.. I'm amazed at this response. All I've been told is RdM are awful in level cap.. 30? We offer nothing a Whm or Blm cannot do better.. 40 we have convert but that doesnt help others much..
50/60/70+ yeah we are a hell of a help but, how can a RdM be of any use early on?
I do wish to learn cause I wish to do all this. My only other job I'm raising right now is Sam (40).

And to Fail, no.. the looks are why I wanted Sha'ir. The stats on this are rather amazing. Sure, Duelists is nice but this has that whole "REALLY FREAKING RARE" stamp.. so of course, I want it.

Set your goals high, keeps ya playin. I love the thought of a Limbus Shell.. I was told RdM are not useful in it, and to level Smn and Bard. Granted I love both jobs, I still was misinformed it seems. Thanks for giving me a little hope.. this coming week I expect to knock out G4.
 
Shaidalyn said:
In all honesty.. I'm amazed at this response. All I've been told is RdM are awful in level cap.. 30? We offer nothing a Whm or Blm cannot do better.. 40 we have convert but that doesnt help others much..
50/60/70+ yeah we are a hell of a help but, how can a RdM be of any use early on?
I do wish to learn cause I wish to do all this. My only other job I'm raising right now is Sam (40).

And to Fail, no.. the looks are why I wanted Sha'ir. The stats on this are rather amazing. Sure, Duelists is nice but this has that whole "REALLY FREAKING RARE" stamp.. so of course, I want it.

Set your goals high, keeps ya playin. I love the thought of a Limbus Shell.. I was told RdM are not useful in it, and to level Smn and Bard. Granted I love both jobs, I still was misinformed it seems. Thanks for giving me a little hope.. this coming week I expect to knock out G4.
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.... Whoever told you that RDM is worthless needs to quit playing now. RDM has a role no matter what level you are. You are looking at your job as a "Refresh/Backup Cure" mentality, which is effective post 40. That is just a part of the puzzle that makes RDM. Your job, no matter what level, is Enfeebler. You will always be the king (or queen in your case) of enfeebling magic. Last time I checked, I think casting enfeebling magics is what all tanks/melees want you to do. Ever heard of Gravity/Paralyze/Slow/Blind? What about Sleep 2? Yeah... When you're putting the CoP dragons asleep, it's the Red Mages casting Sleep 2 on them, not the Black Mages or White Mages. SMN & BRD have their roles in end game, but RDM is essential in endgame. So whoever told you that RDMs is worthless at end game is a retard. If it's one of your friends, I apologize for insulting them but they don't know what they are talking about. You can ask any of the endgame linkshells out there JDA, HNMPT, Kaizen, OH, etc. and they will tell you the truth.

Secondly... you're confusing Sha'ir & Nashira's again. Sha'ir is BRD. Nashira is all casters from Proto-Ultima. The stats are not bad on the Sha'ir but Kirin's Osode is what most bards want because the stats pretty much blow the Sha'ir away.

I'm not talking about Duelist's Tabard. I'm talking about Warlock's Tabard +1. Warlock's Tabard is the original AF. You will not find a better armor for RDM anywhere else when you're dealing with HNMs & your role as enfeebling magic caster. When you fight an HNM like Kirin, Tiamat, Jorm, Sky Gods, Land Gods, you're expected to wear enfeebling gear over "show off" gear.

So yeah, I don't mind you wanting the Nashira's for looks and yes it does have effectiveness but I won't get into that. Just remember your role as an RDM. That's what separates the good players from the mediocre/bad ones. Once you do that, you'll fly high in Sky.
 
Moving this topic to Missions/Quests/Guides forum, it doesn't really fit here anymore.
 
My CoP static had a RDM in it. Even in the uncapped we had him come on his RDM (lvl 63 at the time) rather than his 75 PLD because we needed a RDM more. RDM's are far from useless ^.^b
 
Wow.. thank you ^^ all responses.. and lemme explain..
I play this game to get into the far far end of things.
I wanted Sha'ir, for the look.. but I like Bard, so its hand in hand.
Narashima's Manteel ... its VERY nice looking, rare/ex.. and useful.
Do I want it just cause its sexy? :p no
Rare? no
I want it cause its a piece of Red Mage gear that shows time, dedication and is rather nifty at that.
Thank you for all the responses, and I now look forward to Sea.. I never even considered it till now.
Thank you for the heads up on RdM too.. happy to know I saved my 30/40/50/60 armors for a reason ^^
 
My CoP static on stouter has been blowing through BC's since 50 cap, and for them we've had:
1-2 Promys - Rdm not that big here, but it's 30 cap, easy to level another job to 30
2-5 Mammets - 1 Rdm/nin kiting one of the mammets
3-5 Diabolos - We brought a rdm, would have been better off with a drk or 2nd whm
4-2 Ouryu - 1 Rdm, huge role (silence sleep gravity)
4-3 Sacrarium - 1 Rdm, enfeebler and refresher
5-2 Promy Vhazl - 1 Rdm, enfeebler and refresher
5-3 Moblins - 3 Rdm/blm, chainspell firaga
5-3 Shikaree Mithras - 3 Rdm/blm, chainspell aeroga
5-3 Snoll - 3 Rdm/blm, Chainspell fire II
6-4 Ultima/Omega - 1 Rdm/blm, essential enfeebler/backup healer/refresher

That's all the level capped fights, and Rdm can play an essential role in all of them above 40. Whm or nin is big for all the ones 30-40, if you're looking at leveling a job just for CoP I'd suggest one of them, since you'll probably want those to 37 for subjobs anyway eventually.
 
Nashira's gear is nice :P especially the pants. Nashira Seraweels = best RDM pants eva! (atleast so far).
 
What sort of gear drops off the other boss? (from his drop items, that is)
 
Right now my rdm is at 67, it was 61 a couple weeks ago and 60 for two months since I was going to wait on a couple friends to static with, but they've been taking too long so I went ahead without them. Anyways, I'm focusing on taking rdm to 75 now to do all of these things, Dynamis, HNM fights, Limbus, other quests and missions, etc.

I'm currently on ZM5 now but looking for help on 3 NM fights at the headstone since I got one killed for me. I want to try to get sky unlocked, and get to Limbus as soon as I can when I reach 75 rdm, it looks quite interesting and fun.

It's funny because I haven't did a Dynamis run yet, and was asking those in my LS what Limbus and Dynamis were like, tonight in my LS, so here's some explanation about Limbus for me too :P
 
Everything has a purpose people just fail to see it.I was told by someone that war/mnk can't tank Ouryu so i got a pld.Now the pld lost hate when Ouryu was 20 percent and from then on till death i was the one tanking it with all the hate generating abilities /dmg i had.And with the nice vit / hp it went pretty smooth.Ouryu died first try.
Another example is that i was told the white bomb can't be killed without tons of rangers and sam and blms...now the problem was our eagle shot kept missing =) so we got a smn for a change... i managed to apply a salt before i died so the smn landed 2 of his 2hrs w/e that is and we won.
Another example! The last Pot bcnm i was replaced by a mnk cuz someone told me asuran fists rips the pots a part or something (Wasn't my original group i just decided to help him cuz this guy couldn't do it on my orginal set time so i decided to help em).Pretty ass-y of them i must add and it pissed me off alot.Now since i'm crazy if i want something done i wanna do it right then... i got my original group's pld to come as warrior (He's old school)... and we tore the pots apart with fragmentations ( Raging Rush) and then my sata steel cyclone was pretty much hitting for 1500 dmg a wing.The last boss was pretty much a joke... After 2 weeks of COP i had a rajas ring against all odds
 
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