Underleveled SJ's

[Bigboy]

Stuff can come up. Who knows maybe some day you'll get a girlfriend or a job or some combination and find the amount of time you can play is much smaller that it used to be. No sense giving up completely after you've invested all that time in a game like this.

I have both of those, there is always time. If you have the time to level a main, you have the time to level a sub.

 

[Shaunessy]

If I am a party leader, I refuse to invite people with underlevelled subjobs. Yes, it is a game, and yes, it is supposed to be about fun. Those who will not devote the time to levelling their subjob do not apparently share the same values about things as I do; if you're going to do something, do it the right way. If you want to eventually be SMN75/WHM37, don't run around Yuhtunga and Yhoator as WHM28/BLM1. All you do is make yourself look incredibly lazy or totally unwilling to take feedback (I'm positive that SOMEONE at SOMETIME told you it was important to level your sub), and I do not value either trait. If you want to take your THF to 15 for Treasure Hunter and then go out as BLM60/THF15 to farm, that is one thing... Don't try to get a party with a gimped sub or a ridiculous sub (MNK/BRD, etc.)

I don't see a problem with MNK/BRD. I partied with a WAR/BRD at level 55 and they did an awsome job.

 

[Passions]

However sometimes you have to take the best of what you can find.

your a fucking retard party builder then. i would rather take a extra melee or smn or whm or some other fucking job to get damage done or help spread mp use and not have a rdm or bard then support a dumb ass.

as for your other point, if your missing important job abilities or spells and using a gimped sub is completly fucking retarted.

There are situations like that yes, but to ask a rdm to sub a gimped 31 whm sub at lvl 64 is 100% USLESS. if i was that rdm i wouldn't even fucking join because well they get invites fast enough then to deal with a dumbass leader that wants them to use a gimped sub job to main heal a pld tank probably with there whm sub.

quit defending the lazy assholes. Been said once and again and now ill say it again IF YOU GOT TIME TO LVL YOUR MAIN, YOU GOT TIME TO LVL YOUR SUB JOB. PERIOD

there is no, well my g/f makes me spend more time with her now so ill just lvl the job i love and say fuck off to the job that isn't as fun and no one will care. FUCK THAT you fucking lazy ass pricks also suck balls at your job. your the fucker that is 70pld 34 war HELLO WARCRY =HATE.

get back on the short buss kid, you forgot your retard medicine today

 

[Shaunessy]

Wow passions for being a RDM you sure don't know alot. RDMs come with there own cure magic. Plus 64/2 is 32 so 31 wouldn't be that gimped a sub.

 

[Passions]

Wow passions for being a RDM you sure don't know alot. RDMs come with there own cure magic. Plus 64/2 is 32 so 31 wouldn't be that gimped a sub.

yes but we dont cure fuckind plds dumb ass. they require to much curing and regening that is a total pain in the ass to a rdm and to also keep up with normal activities. also that 1 lvl gimp means that you dont get ERASE which is the main purpose of whm sub at that lvl. my blm is lvld and i only use whm sub for capped events.

Your so fucking clueless stfu you noob we already proved that once already in another thread that you dont know wtf your talking about.

 

[Shaidalyn]

Hmm... gimp subs would never get an invite.. nor would stupid subs.. (brd/war.. uh....) every job has a role.. multiple usually.. thats WHY we have sub jobs..
However I have gimped before.. I TOTALLY forgot the exact level.. but for example's sake.. I was 31/16.. good till 33 right? in one pt I got from 31-36... no one cared.. no one noticed.. I did my job, and when I left IMMEDIATELY leveled blm
Underleveled seeking? Unacceptable.

 

[Kat]

Meeze wins all threads (Unless I post in it) but this time I am changing it up a bit and giving this one to Kyr. Frankly because I am sick of Meeze always being right.

Why must all you white people be dominated by a spicano on these boards? Sheesh.

Don't mess with me white boy. Only thing that can dominate you Spicano's is a white/indian girl like me.

As far as subs go, *cough bullshit cough* on the losers saying they "don't have time" to level their subs. What a friggin' copout. Btw, if I'm leader of a party, and I'll just about guarantee you 98% of the time it will be a good party, you will not even get thought about if you are seeking with an underleveled subjob.

 

[Reko]

As been said, "I dont have time to level my SJ" ir pure bullshit.


I hate that just as much as "dude, can I get some money so I can buy gear, or I cant afford to level"

Maybe it's time you go out farming or w/e instead of leveling then...

 

[billytibbetts]

your a fucking retard party builder then. i would rather take a extra melee or smn or whm or some other fucking job to get damage done or help spread mp use and not have a rdm or bard then support a dumb ass.

If your going to insult someone get it right you fucking jagoff. No wonder no one on this board takes you seriously.

 

[Sandria]

I had the subjob police on me once. I still continue to do this experiment from time to time, and often have little to no trouble getting a party. I suppose in doing this experiment that I give a poor message to lower levels.

I level a WHM mule w/o a subjob. I don't even bother to do the /BLM1. I stack that WHM Mule in some've the best gear and food offered at it's level. I use juices, and it's about.. eh... 20 something. I've even get to where I can get invites without putting a flag up. The parties are often fun, too. Granted, I've played the job to 75 so it's no surprise when most've the members are boggled by how I can play it so well as they anticipate the worst. I'm certain that many even consider the character to be a gilbuyer because the gear is so much better than what a lowbie without a subjob should have.

On that character I often get random /tells of "Hey, do you need any help getting your subjob items?" I've already done the quest, though. It's kinda pretty cool that random people would actually ask this. I often ask the "subjob police" (who usually end up being people that I know) why I should go through the process of a subjob and the only solid answer that they have is "...you'll have trouble getting parties without it." I can buy that. But, if you govern your playtime experience by a mere +2 agi or a 10mp or this or that.. you're going to miss some fun.

Granted, at times where you're doing the Dynamis zones without a subjob, you're going to typically notice the difference of not having a sub. However, there are certain levels where not having your subjob fully lvl'd is not going to matter a great deal. I.e. when it means the difference between a much needed spell or /ja. My first trip to level 75 the tone was a bit more lax. Sometimes you'd get a really good party and you'd level up ahead of your sub. I'd be more pissed off if someone did "Oh nooes.. I gotta disband now that I leveled up. My subjob is now under-leveled" than if the dude kept playing the remainder of the party. To each his own, really.

Don't sweat the small stuff.. and yes, it really is small stuff.

 

[Bigboy]

My BRD at 32 had ~90MP with its WHM sub naked. That a level 16 subjob. You can really tell how much of a difference the subjob makes when you take the half a second to think about it. I can easily deal with subs that are underleveled by 1 level, or certain, very specific instances.

I'll let all subjobs slide before 20, because anything is better than the no subjob at all I see up until 18, and I can understand someone not leaving the dunes until they are certain they're done there. Obviously I would give anyone over rank 5 shit for it, since its not that hard to level any job to 10.

Biggest problem I see with subjobs is that an underleveled one shows your lack of intrest or dedication to the job. I will base a person's main off their subjob. Even when I was a fresh new player and I thought RDM/THF would be a sick ass combo, my /THF was fully leveled. I would take someone with the "Wrong" sub, fully leveled, over someone with the "Right" sub underleveld, because I will assume that the person with the fully leveled sub at least put effort into getting that way.

 

[Passions]

If your going to insult someone get it right you fucking jagoff. No wonder no one on this board takes you seriously.

I don't quite understand your reply to my post with that, but i'm guessing its in reference to me calling you a idiot because you would choose a bard/war. That bard/war will probably either not do ballad's or just not seperate the melee from the mages and just be a complete waist. so...

yet I've had 2 parties in the late 50's without refresh or dispel, and both were very succesful.

not all of us NEED REFRESH to make a good party. I certainly wouldn't invite a fucking retard brd/war for refresh unless they switched to /whm and actually played a support role. If i wanted a DD i would get a DDing JOB!

You post no logical explanations of why its ok to gimp your subjob other then "they dont have time to lvl it". Well people want all the items from gods but that doesn't mean they are gonna get it. they like playing there job so much, then quit lvling in a party with a gimped sub and go solo. What are they lvling for if they dont have time for the game? What is being 75 going to do for them if they dont have time? NOTHING so GTFO its lazyness at its best. dinging in a killer party and going gimped then going to fix it is one thing, LFP for 3 hrs with a gimped sub is another and not acceptable.

I garentee that i could take a party of 4 or 5 and not take that person with the gimped sub and still yank more xp/hr then your 6 person party with the gimped bitches. I've done it way to many times, hell the rdm kept going afk in kuftal tunnel at 56 so xp was a little lower so i fucking booted him and we went up to 5-6k an hour for the remainder of the time WITH NO RDM ON CRABS!

Kick the leeching lazy ass fuckers, your xp will be much better and you wont have to keep playing with there shitty lazy asses.

 

[billytibbetts]

I don't quite understand your reply to my post with that, but i'm guessing its in reference to me calling you a idiot because you would choose a bard/war. That bard/war will probably either not do ballad's or just not seperate the melee from the mages and just be a complete waist. so...

I was referring to this.

your a fucking retard party builder then. i would rather take a extra melee or smn or whm or some other fucking job to get damage done or help spread mp use and not have a rdm or bard then support a dumb ass.

Should I be suprised that you didn't catch your mistake the second time through? If you're going to talk shit, then you mine as well do it right Fuckhead.

 

[Mortanius]

I am currently guilty of having an underleveled (xp pt) sub at 60WAR/29NIN. However, the only party I'll join as warrior will be a skillup party so I can get Calamity and Raging Rush, or an event like G3 (which I actually did as 60WAR/30WHM) or NM fight (which I also did as 60WAR/30WHM for my Tungi and a ranger friend's Loxley Bow).

I plan to be leveling NIN and THF enough to use as fully leveled subs until leveling WAR again.

Oddly enough, I got an invite as my 60WAR/29NIN while I wasn't seeking (but the party was 60-63 and I think they expected me to tank IT+++, so they were probably incompetent). I accepted, then shortly afterwards disbanded.

 

[Kire]

my wars sj is at 40 and my plds is at 61

 

[Jakey]

now that I've got taru drg to 75 I think i'll go for one last ultimate challenge taru pld no subjob! mwhahahahaha

 

[reddogneo]

O someone talkin shit bout me..... Well you act as if that 4 lvl low my sub is is seriously effecting my stats. Now if I was a 74rng/31nin thats different but is my fuckin 12$ a month and I do know this game. Im not worried bout my sub yet because its only 4 lvl low how much agl am i acually losing like 2-4maybe not to big of a deal. Im not some perfectionist that always need +1 gear and every single + 1 stats I need. Now if I was missing a very important spell or skill hell yea my sub would be up to lvl. I know how to play my job and I dont remember where I saw you from you might have caught me on a bad day. Im not claiming to be the best player because I know there alot of far better rngs out there but I also know Im not the worst rng out there also. But back to the point if my 4 lvl low sub was causing me to lose a major skill or spell or trait you would see me seeing as a nin instead or rng.... Im also lvl 70 not 71. I'll assure that I know this game maybe not to much of the endgame content but you will not see me hit 74 or even 75 till I lvl my sub. So stop attacking me as if im the worst case of gimped subs ever there are many cases worst then me tryin to slide there gimp asses though the lvls. I at least have a plan and if it doesnt fit your ideals FUCK YOU dont invite me ever again I dont give a fuck and any of yall other ppl that judge my skill from a slightly gimped sub.

 

[Euphacent]

Time's a huge factor for alot of people. If the person has enough gear to compensate for the poor subjob or is using a subjob that isn't his/her main than maybe they deserve just a little slack.

Just think of how much better they'd be if they had that gear AND a leveled subjob.

 

[Euphacent]

Also, it's pretty safe to assume that if a person doesn't care enough to keep their subjob up to date, then their gear most likely matches that.

 

[Reality]

everyone who's ever played this game has had a gimped subjob at least once during their FFXI career, when it's on their first job pre-37, i wouldn't be so inclined to tear them a new asshole about it, since they probably don't understand the game to its fullest extent and are still learning

that said, level your subjobs to 37 asap, so you can get the shit over with. it doesn't take very long, don't keep pushing your main past 60 when your sub is still 30, take a break and level your sub(s) those 7 levels and be done with it

hell, I paid off a few of my close friends to power level my sam from 30-37