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Darthyoda said:
please tell me what is "manaburned only" besides DM, which blm's scarcely get invites to, or KS30's that rarely yield anything for blm's to use.

I'm interested to know what I and my blm comrades should be focusing on until the nerf.... LoL
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Our server doesn't manaburn all that much, but on other servers(ones you guys constantly forget about) manaburning is much more prevalent. As I said in a previous post, there are whole linkshells that manaburn dynamis. The only way people were killing JoL and AV were through manaburning, just to name a few examples. SE considers more than just our little server when they make a change.
 
so instead of changing Dynamis areas, and JOL / AV / DM... they're changing all "impossible to guage" ?

I think personally they're doing it because of all the whining ... and yes SE has said they DO read the forums for player feedback.
 
Darthyoda said:
so instead of changing Dynamis areas, and JOL / AV / DM... they're changing all "impossible to guage" ?

I think personally they're doing it because of all the whining ... and yes SE has said they DO read the forums for player feedback.
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I listed a few of the bigger fights where it's blm-only, but If you want more, blm's are thrown at the kings, in sky and in sea as well. Basically anything serious in endgame(not baby HNM, although it's done there too) can be, has been and is manaburned. So basically if they want to specifically target where it's more prevalent then it will have the exact same effect as just hitting all impossible to gauge mobs.

Can anyone actually show me where ANYONE has been crying out for blm's to get nerfed, and just responding to a blm whining about the nerf doesn't fit that description. I don't remember ever seeing a single thread or even a post saying blm's need to be nerfed, without it being in response to one of these threads. Until you actually have proof of people whining to SE, then the reasoning behind the nerf lies solely on the bragging of the manaburners.

Edit: I know they read forums, that was my whole point; that they're seeing how wide spread manaburning is and felt a change was in order. That there were not many, if any people actually complaining directly to SE about it.
 
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on most servers it seems pretty much everything is manaburned (or SMNpwned). BCNMs, KSs, HNMs (at least the kings.. the smaller ones are still, whoever), Wyrms, DM, Sea stuff, Limbus, Dynamis, etc. Pretty much everything end game seems to be manaburned (or SMNpwned) on most servers (even our server.. most of the LSs that beat the big stuff use SMNs and BLMs primarely for damage with the melees coming in for a WS if they can get it off for the hope of a burst). At least.. that's what I saw when I played. Understandably so why they'd want to change all impossible to guage mobs like that.
 
only reason I'm "miffed" about it... is simple.

I've been blm main since I started this char.... it's been over 2yrs in the making. I've spent all my time doing other things, lvl'ing other jobs, and helping other players instead of exp'ing.. all the while saving up to get the gear I have now.

I'm finally in end-game and this happens.. just seems to be "my luck".

With all the brains SE pays.. I'm certain they can find other ways to nerf blm's (combined) presence w/o taking away from a job that rarely benefits from their abilities and duties. Very few of the activities or events you listed yielded anything beneficial to blm(s). I understand the nerfing.. I genuinely do as I stated in an earlier post.. but it's the history of other job nerfs that has me paranoid.

blm(74), whm(68 ), rdm(61), smn(40) .... blm is my fav, and smn then rdm.. all 3 are affected by this "change".

so, yes.. I'm a little concerned.
 
Darthyoda said:
only reason I'm "miffed" about it... is simple.

I've been blm main since I started this char.... it's been over 2yrs in the making. I've spent all my time doing other things, lvl'ing other jobs, and helping other players instead of exp'ing.. all the while saving up to get the gear I have now.

I'm finally in end-game and this happens.. just seems to be "my luck".

With all the brains SE pays.. I'm certain they can find other ways to nerf blm's presence w/o taking away from a job that rarely benefits from their abilities and duties. Very few of the activities or events you listed yielded anything beneficial to blm(s). I understand the nerfing.. I genuinely do as I stated in an earlier post.. but it's the history of other job nerfs that has me paranoid.

blm(74), whm(68 ), rdm(61), smn(40) .... blm is my fav, and smn then rdm.. all 3 are affected by this "change".

so, yes.. I'm a little concerned.
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Blm will still be useful in endgame, just not in the large numbers that some people use now. This nerf will also show who leveled the job because they actually like it and who bandwagoned it because they wanted to be the "elite job." This nerf doesn't weaken the black mage job in the slightest, the ONLY thing it does is weaken the strategy of throwing a bunch of blm's at a mob to kill it. In small numbers, you won't see a difference, in exp this change doesn't kick in, solo this doesn't kick in. You will be as strong after the update as you are now, only in large groups of blackmages will you see a real change.
 
Mistra said:
Jesus christ, wait for the update, see exactly how prevalent these changes are, then throw a shit fit. Jesus.
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nah, this is more fun
 
Bajaratt said:
Also, if A. hands were as useless as you say, then the blm's should try passing them to the rdm, whm or smn's who actually want them and will wear them but have to sit back and wait for every blm to get the gloves first. If you don't want them, let the people who do want them get them.
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Because then there would be NO reason for a blm to go to sky.
 
Rorschach said:
Because then there would be NO reason for a blm to go to sky.
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To help the ls move on to other things, so blm can get stuff themselves? Nothing is instant gratification:/
 
Khidir said:
To help the ls move on to other things, so blm can get stuff themselves? Nothing is instant gratification:/
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Such as? Re-read Darthyoda's post again where he lists all the wonderous gear blms can get soley from a shell. Only pieces there are A.Hands and R.Pumps. And the R.Pumps dont come from sky.

And yeah i know nothing is instant gratification and that you have to work for what you get, but when theres only one piece of gear in sky that you need, the gratification comes pretty quick, not instant but not slow by any means.
 
As in stuff from areas other than sky. I have an okay understanding of it, but lses tend to do something for so long then move on to something else and go back to the other area(ie sky) later. Then again the ls would have to be one that dabs in all areas, which is rare/hard to manage.

/face slap self
 
Look at the number of people that have leveled rng and blm to get into sky/hnm ls. With all the bandwagoners anyone ever considered a few did it so they could get the gear they want for thier melee?
Once my thief and ninja are leveled im personally leveling my war so that i can actually get a ridill lot instead of being laughed at plus Gaxe is fun.
 
Khidir said:
To help the ls move on to other things, so blm can get stuff themselves? Nothing is instant gratification:/
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what he's saying is w/o Zenith mitts.. many black mages wouldn't even join Sky LS's.. Just dynamis and HNM only ls's.

there has to be "enticement" for blm's before many will join, and dedicate their time..

just to give you an idea Khid.

Mon(mine)Tues(dynamis)Wed(Sky/HNM)Thurs(sky/HNM)Fri(mine)Sat(dynamis)Sun(sky/HNM)

why would I subject myself to this "tight" schedule" and dedicate myself to stressful endgame material with a group of new people , mostly strangersm if there's nothing in it for me. If there was no reward at all, and no promise of "things to come"... then what would be the initial appeal to draw me in and make me dedicate myself to sky fights? You can only kill gods, and their sub-pops so many times before it gets old.

I've given all my game time short of two days to end-game material... if there wasn't something there to encourage me to join.. I would have continued to invest my time into my social/event LS's, and continue to do missions, and quests for the people that helped me get to this point..

Besides, after killing Kirin, and his minions a dozen times or so.. the original appeal wears off... and you're there to help your newfound friends get their "uber" gear. It's a whole nother environment and stress up there, and many blm's wouldn't be up there at all if they didn't have the promise of some gear. There needs to be something that draws them in. Once they've joined eventually a loyalty to the shell will build.

so my point is this... in all the god fights... all the time spent farming, counter-camping sky NM's... putting up with RMT, the stress of rearranging your irl schedule to meet up on time for events... and realizing that the only drop that your job really wants comes from a lower lvl god that merely drops a spawn item for Kirin, who in turn drops nothing for a blm to use in a standard setup.. (unless your like me and want Kirin's pole for "fun" purposes).... why would you go up to begin with?

I wanted to experience endgame stuff and get my Zenith mitts.. but honestly truly.. there are more rewards in HNM's because at least many of those things can be sold and split... giving you gil to buy about anything else you might want.. the only thing I'm aware of that can't be bought that black mages want.. is the coveted Zenith Mitts..

but after this update... black mages will probably be wearing original af hands for the elemental skill...


there.. through all my rambling, in that huge wall o' text.. my point was made.... cleverly disguised in the endless banter of a madman.. if ya read it.. send me a /tell in game and I'll give ya 10 gil ! heheh j/k .. I have no gil.
 
GIVE ME A PEARL TO AG WHEN I"M ON TONITE

Errm>>>yoda How Do I Turn Off Filter Keys>>>? Zomg>>>

I Understand Your Point< Need To Fix This Crap
 
just as a sidenote...

my primary Social LS is probably one of a few that can successfully get people together and do a Rostrum pumps for black mages... If I tried.. I'd be willing to bet we could. Also considering many of it's members are retired end-game high lvl's.. they have the experience as well....

so really.. the only two reasons that I had to join my end-game Sky/HNM shell was
  1. Zenith mitts
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  2. and the experience of end-game sky adventures..

with the upcoming updates ... the coveted gear will probably be:
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yes.. that's your original end game artifact hands.. acquired before you hit lvl 60... (I hope)

but even better would be the lvl 74
Wizard's gloves +1
MP +17
Intelligence +3
Charisma +3
Elemental Magic Skill +15
Enmity -2

notice elemental skill is still the same..


and second point is that doing sky over and over.. judging from friends that have been doing it, and those that have quit.. gets real old.. fairly fast.

feel free to click on the links for "int+" and "elemental skill" and you can see what we're talking about in regards to blm gear that gives the things we want most..


so.. there's my point.. again...

yeah.. rambling seems to be my thing today.

Khidir I'll try to get a pearl to you tonight if you're on.
 
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Actually i sort of wondered why blm would give up ele hands just for more att bonuse(yes i restarted comp, so fixed). Anyways we do need that thank you button back.
 
Well big blms pts can still last because the resistances are elemental specific. They can work just go though the elemental wheel like ninjas do no more spamming thundaga 3. What I wonder if blasting a NM with fireaga building up fire resistance makes it less resistant to the opposing element. Because Ive seen tons of blms load up thunder potency more reason to merit other things.

IDK if someone has already covered this but I didnt feel like reading though 13 pages to find out
 
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