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jazper said:
I wonder if this would be a worthwhile alternative to those who cancel shadows when casting a new set. :ph34r:
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Normally you cancel midcast tho, If you're able to fire off a ranged attack while casting, then shit why not lol
 
Lenneth said:
why does this update give me the feeling us ninjas have fallen out of SE's favour...
meh dont mind me, i was just really hoping for jubaku Ni XD
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Ninjas should be relieved to be getting something rather than losing something. The job is truly walking a tight rope in game balance. Maybe elemental sans will bring back ninja/blm. That would at least add a little variety to the game.
 
jazper said:
I wonder if this would be a worthwhile alternative to those who cancel shadows when casting a new set. :ph34r:
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The only use for this I could see would be a death blow to a mob. Sounds crappy, but maybe it'll do a mini-mijin for each shadow you have left.
 
I can imagine it being usefull as way to get hate back in case you died during a HNM fight, or if you get switched in together with another NIN once the other NIN died.
 
Uzor said:
I can imagine it being usefull as way to get hate back in case you died during a HNM fight, or if you get switched in together with another NIN once the other NIN died.
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That's what souleater is for, and you're a whole lot less likely to die using souleater with a double swing delay of 100 than with no shadows vs a HNM.
 
Stouter said:
That's what souleater is for, and you're a whole lot less likely to die using souleater with a double swing delay of 100 than with no shadows vs a HNM.
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Ever thought of using sange, recasting shadows, then popping souleater? You're mad smartz yo.
 
Warrior's Charge, depending on the recast, may very well cripple the war/nin bandwagon.

War/thf with Martial Bhuj and a guaranteed DA on Steel Cyclone? That's about 1200-1600 on Deco Weapons (basing that off an avg 1800-1900 as war/thf @ 300% with a DA proc on SC), dunno how it will do on other xp mobs but should be very interesting to see.
 
Stouter said:
That's what souleater is for, and you're a whole lot less likely to die using souleater with a double swing delay of 100 than with no shadows vs a HNM.
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I'm not talking when you've been tanking alongside the tank. I mean like this.

NIN1 and NIN2 tank monster
30 min in the fight NIN2 dies
NIN3 replaces NIN2 and uses the shadow -> damage move to work on hate
 
Uzor said:
I'm not talking when you've been tanking alongside the tank. I mean like this.

NIN1 and NIN2 tank monster
30 min in the fight NIN2 dies
NIN3 replaces NIN2 and uses the shadow -> damage move to work on hate
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I'm talking the exact same thing, 30 seconds of souleater vs a mob that doesn't have a physical damage penalty is greater than invincible for hate. The ja itself is a warcry for hate, and 150 damage every 2 seconds builds hate fast.
Eulore said:
Ever thought of using sange, recasting shadows, then popping souleater? You're mad smartz yo.
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I'd rather have Raiton to help me stick Hojo:ni, and Suiton/Huton to help the mages land stun/paralyze/thunder MB/ice MB. If the 2nd level is a dramatic improvement from the first, I'd take lvl 2 on all of those vs a shadow poof move.
 
I hoping Sange is SE's way of making NIN's more of a DD job and less of a Tank. Since everyone knows Katana's suck ass on mobs like Kirin and other super high VIT/DEF NMs it might be possible that Sange is a way for NIN's to be more like WAR's or RNG's on these mobs. The only way this would work is if Sange is something like a 30s recast however.
 
wonder how much stronger the :san spells will be.
 
Uzor said:
wonder how much stronger the :san spells will be.
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If its 12 second casting time I imagine they would be significantly stronger.

My Ni spells do around 70-110 so it would be nice if San (if their 12s cast) would be 400-500+
 
Lets get some info about other daggers... say Blau... and Sirocco... and Heartsnatcher...

<3<3<3 plz be more uber buffing
 
Daggers updated:'
Kard
Old - DMG 22 Delay 190
New - DMG 25 Delay 190

Venom Kukri +1
Old - DMG 22 Delay 200
New - DMG 25 Delay 200

Hoplites Harpe
Old - DMG 27 Delay 210
New - DMG 32 Delay 210

Harpe
Old - DMG 29 Delay 210
New - DMG 35 Delay 210

Valiant Knife
Old - DMG 21 Delay 195
New - DMG 24 Delay 195

Stun Kukri +1
Old - DMG 24 Delay 206
New - DMG 27 Delay 206

Sirocco Kukri
Old - DMG 21 Delay 150
New - DMG 26 Delay 150

Daylight Dagger
Old - DMG 24 Delay 183
New - DMG 28 Delay 183

Taillefer's Dagger
Old - DMG 23 Delay 187
New - DMG 27 Delay 187

Behemoth Knife +1
Old - DMG 26 Delay 201
New - DMG 32 Delay 201

Thief's Knife
Old - DMG 24 Delay 194
New - DMG 28 Delay 194

Khanjar
Old - DMG 23 Delay 192
New - DMG 27 Delay 192

Misericorde +1
Old - DMG 24 Delay 178
New - DMG 28 Delay 178

Stylet
Old - DMG 24 Delay 195
New - DMG 31 Delay 195

Titan's Baselard
Old - DMG 23 Delay 186
New - DMG 28 Delay 186

Blau Dolch
Old - DMG 22 Latent DMG 28 Delay 178
New - DMG 26 Latent DMG 33 Delay 178

Martial Knife
Old - DMG 23 Delay 186
New - DMG 27 Delay 186

Gully +1
Old - DMG 26 Delay 200
New - DMG 30 Delay 200

X's Knife
Old - DMG 23 Delay 201
New - DMG 34 Delay 201

Mighty Knife
Old - DMG 24 Delay 200
New - DMG 28 Delay 200

Heart Snatcher
Old - DMG 11 Latent DMG 24 Delay 205
New - DMG 15 Latent DMG 30 Delay 205

Perseus's Harpe
Old - DMG 31 Delay 210
New - DMG 37 Delay 210

Jambiya +1
Old - DMG 27 Delay 212
New - DMG 34 Delay 194

Thanatos Baselard
Old - DMG 24 Delay 191
New - DMG 28 Delay 191

Mandau
Old - DMG 32 Delay 176
New - DMG 39 Delay 176
 
decidence said:
If its 12 second casting time I imagine they would be significantly stronger.

My Ni spells do around 70-110 so it would be nice if San (if their 12s cast) would be 400-500+
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400-500 dmg on a nin spell? >.>;; nice but highly unlikely i think lol


*also*
that pretty much is badass news for thf.
 
Necrosis said:
Daggers updated:'
Kard
Old - DMG 22 Delay 190
New - DMG 25 Delay 190

Venom Kukri +1
Old - DMG 22 Delay 200
New - DMG 25 Delay 200

Hoplites Harpe
Old - DMG 27 Delay 210
New - DMG 32 Delay 210

Harpe
Old - DMG 29 Delay 210
New - DMG 35 Delay 210

Valiant Knife
Old - DMG 21 Delay 195
New - DMG 24 Delay 195

Stun Kukri +1
Old - DMG 24 Delay 206
New - DMG 27 Delay 206

Sirocco Kukri
Old - DMG 21 Delay 150
New - DMG 26 Delay 150

Daylight Dagger
Old - DMG 24 Delay 183
New - DMG 28 Delay 183

Taillefer's Dagger
Old - DMG 23 Delay 187
New - DMG 27 Delay 187

Behemoth Knife +1
Old - DMG 26 Delay 201
New - DMG 32 Delay 201

Thief's Knife
Old - DMG 24 Delay 194
New - DMG 28 Delay 194

Khanjar
Old - DMG 23 Delay 192
New - DMG 27 Delay 192

Misericorde +1
Old - DMG 24 Delay 178
New - DMG 28 Delay 178

Stylet
Old - DMG 24 Delay 195
New - DMG 31 Delay 195

Titan's Baselard
Old - DMG 23 Delay 186
New - DMG 28 Delay 186

Blau Dolch
Old - DMG 22 Latent DMG 28 Delay 178
New - DMG 26 Latent DMG 33 Delay 178

Martial Knife
Old - DMG 23 Delay 186
New - DMG 27 Delay 186

Gully +1
Old - DMG 26 Delay 200
New - DMG 30 Delay 200

X's Knife
Old - DMG 23 Delay 201
New - DMG 34 Delay 201

Mighty Knife
Old - DMG 24 Delay 200
New - DMG 28 Delay 200

Heart Snatcher
Old - DMG 11 Latent DMG 24 Delay 205
New - DMG 15 Latent DMG 30 Delay 205

Perseus's Harpe
Old - DMG 31 Delay 210
New - DMG 37 Delay 210

Jambiya +1
Old - DMG 27 Delay 212
New - DMG 34 Delay 194

Thanatos Baselard
Old - DMG 24 Delay 191
New - DMG 28 Delay 191

Mandau
Old - DMG 32 Delay 176
New - DMG 39 Delay 176
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i think i just orgasm'd
 
can i get a dps on those daggers? I dont know the formulae atm.
 
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