Update hat augments.. decisions deciision

Zeoaesir

Zeoaesir

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For ws only as it too ugly to consider for tp

option 1
str 4
acc 25
att 5

option 2
str 6 (haste 2)
acc 15

option 3
str 4
acc 15
ws damage 2%


I personally think 25 ws acc is overkill and am drawn to options 2 and 3. So it kinda boils down to 2% ws dmg v 2 str. What would you go for? Thank you
 
well not only option here. you can go for a ultimate tp as well with either
10 acc/5 atk 3 haste
or
5 haste 2 str

personally im leaning towards the
4 str ws 25 4 dex 2 crit

just have not decide if i want do this for war or thf
 
5 haste 2 str?

You sure you didn't mean 5 Haste 2 DEX? (Yay for some snapshot?...)

You were talking about TP right?
 
i believe the stats added to make 5% haste are 3% haste and snapshot, and 2% haste with 2 str, which is why the 6 str has 2% haste with it. so you can't have the dexterity >.<;
 
Won the fight and went for this..

option 3
str 4
ws acc 15
ws damage 2%

The reason I went for these options are
1. I tp in Askar head which is not far behind whatever I can get for tp in new hat.
2. I presently use Unicorn head. Now I can sell it in AH.
3. The stats above blow out the water whatever Unicorn head can do.
4. Won't be in position to get an N head anytime soon.
5. Last but not least. I always wanted a headpiece that made me look like Donald Duck!
 
you could do a hat with accuracy +25 during WS, which would allow to stack str and attack only on all other slots, too. Also, askar head is not acceptable for tp in any job, it's been said one million times. The only hat that beat turban is the MKD with 5 haste and 2 st or 2 dex, which is why people mentionned it. The increase from turban is minimal though.
 
When Im doing mulit-hit WS, I almost always use at least one acc ring (95% of the time). The benefit of getting the +25 acc for WS to me would be able to toss on Flame Ring + Rajas, not to mention use Warwolf belt over Potents.

N.head+Ulthalum+Potent = 12 acc 4 attk 11 STR 5 DEX
Option1+Flame Ring+Warwolf Belt= 25 acc 14 STR 5 DEX 5 attk

I been thinking about this question alot actually. This is just one of the things I have going in my head. I have been mainly thinking about this for Guillotine for my DRK, but same thing would be applied to Raging Rush.

That was the thought going around in my head. I still havent decided what I want to do. More then likely I will just make an Asuran Fists piece for MNK, but if I can find a way to improve my DRK and WAR I will.
 
mdkuser said:
you could do a hat with accuracy +25 during WS, which would allow to stack str and attack only on all other slots, too. Also, askar head is not acceptable for tp in any job, it's been said one million times. The only hat that beat turban is the MKD with 5 haste and 2 st or 2 dex, which is why people mentioned it. The increase from turban is minimal though.
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Askar head > Turban unless you have really high Haste. I'm not sure where it has been said a million times that Askar head is unacceptable. Perhaps you can show me the light. For the time being here is a link.

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=4;mid=1244125524130486808;num=24;page=1

There are 2 other links inside the thread linked here

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=4;mid=1237107904112287147;num=29;page=1
 
Langly said:
5 haste 2 str?

You sure you didn't mean 5 Haste 2 DEX? (Yay for some snapshot?...)

You were talking about TP right?
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ya dex would work 2.
 
Zeoaesir said:
Askar head > Turban unless you have really high Haste. I'm not sure where it has been said a million times that Askar head is unacceptable. Perhaps you can show me the light. For the time being here is a link.

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=4;mid=1244125524130486808;num=24;page=1

There are 2 other links inside the thread linked here

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=4;mid=1237107904112287147;num=29;page=1
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here's graph looking at the acc and haste, so if you are on the line askar wins due to STR and slight crit bonus.
if you are above line turban wins if below askar wins, unless you have poor gear or aren't getting hasted(no brd?) you should be above line for most things.
http://www.bluegartrls.com/forum/attachments/6506d1244751461-whats-better-graph.png

my work blocks lolalla so I can't see your arguments but this is pretty much the split decide which area of graph you are in and equip accordingly.

also if you are interested in the 10 acc 3 haste head peice augment set up here's how it compares to turban
http://www.bluegartrls.com/forum/at...al-site-goes-live-06-29-2009-kupovsturban.png
 
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Zeoaesir said:
Askar head > Turban unless you have really high Haste. I'm not sure where it has been said a million times that Askar head is unacceptable. Perhaps you can show me the light. For the time being here is a link.

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=4;mid=1244125524130486808;num=24;page=1

There are 2 other links inside the thread linked here

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=4;mid=1237107904112287147;num=29;page=1
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The reason is simple. Askar head should be only used as a last resort if you need accuracy. The first things you should check before giving up those 1% haste is check your food and non head gear: in most situations ( non HNM), pizza solves your issues. And no, askar is not interesting due to the str, but due to the acc that come from DEX. There is no reason a dd should give up any haste on his gear, in favor of accuracy, for anything that is a merit mob or weaker ( ecept lurkers).

Also remember that the best pizza build, is better than the best meat build, because the later requires to have at least 2 bard and one cor in the pt, and to use expensive food like red cury.

This means that askar head is relegated as a situational piece for high evasion mobs like MMJ THF and HNMS. The same can be said for ace's helm. In any decent situation, you will be above the line, thats why its accepted that askar head is inferior to turban.
 
mdkuser said:
The reason is simple. Askar head should be only used as a last resort if you need accuracy. The first things you should check before giving up those 1% haste is check your food and non head gear: in most situations ( non HNM), pizza solves your issues. And no, askar is not interesting due to the str, but due to the acc that come from DEX. There is no reason a dd should give up any haste on his gear, in favor of accuracy, for anything that is a merit mob or weaker ( ecept lurkers).

Also remember that the best pizza build, is better than the best meat build, because the later requires to have at least 2 bard and one cor in the pt, and to use expensive food like red cury.

This means that askar head is relegated as a situational piece for high evasion mobs like MMJ THF and HNMS. The same can be said for ace's helm. In any decent situation, you will be above the line, thats why its accepted that askar head is inferior to turban.
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hmm lets see if I should really use ace's since you suggest that its really situational, granted aces + blitz > turban + acc ring and I use aces + acc ring but turban catagory I can think of as blitz ring catagory.

here's comparison of my 3 best head peices for drg using the same formulas as the guy who made those other graphs, this ignores att and str and uses 2 acc = 1 acc% assumption.
red = turban best
green = ace's best
blue = ares best
ares and ace's are slightly better than this suggests due to att.

drgComp.jpg
 
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you could use turban + blitz and use pizza. especially a drg , or a war with their acc JA, wil cap on everything thats not a MMj lurker with pizza, even wthout the best acc gears.
 
mdkuser said:
you could use turban + blitz and use pizza. especially a drg , or a war with their acc JA, wil cap on everything thats not a MMj lurker with pizza, even wthout the best acc gears.
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that's true pizza would cap my acc on basically everything (I usually sit in the ~93% range at most camp, unless dealing with puks) and I could then switch in 2% more haste, well would need to invest in better store tp somewhere else or valk fork just needs to drop (yes I use gimp ecphoria ring well I wait on drop) giving up 25+ attack will make me sad too.

main thing I hate about pizza is its a 3hour food and most events I do are 30min-1hour, longest thing I do is salvage. I guess I should mess around with it though.

oh since I had program open here's the 3 way comparison of turban vs askar vs O-hat which really relates more to this thread.
lolaskar.jpg

as you can see there's really very little room for askar.(green)

even worse here's turban vs askar vs ares
askarpwned.jpg


if you need acc, askar is probably not the answer
 
OK, I have to hold my hands up. I read the variety of complicated text based alla stuff and looked at the solid explanations and visual aids by qcdn people (Thank you for the effort on this - appreciated) and kind of sided on the qcdn Turban > Askar side. I then decided to use Redshift's WAR dmg calculator and compare Turban v Askar in standard merit situation. BRD doing march and att, and RDM doing haste.

For me, Turban > Askar in all merit situations apart from Lurkers.

but..

hehehe

This got me thinking about Bomblet v Bomb Core. Using Redshifts dmg calculator it has Bomb Core > Bomblet in all my usual merit situations as well. I'm not going to accept that at face value yet, as this is not taking account of the slightly more frequent ws's I'd achieve with Bomblet due to more consistent tp gain.

On this I'm kinda angling towards Bomb Core v Birds and Bomblet at Mamool. Given this much thought?
 
bad links?
 
Buy an N head, and use your MKD augment for something worthwhile.
 
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