UR DOIN IT RONG

Pteryx

Pteryx

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Ever been on one job and been treated to having to watch someone you don't know on a whole other job of yours suck at it?

Now, I understand why I often see people failing to tank well on PLD/RDM if they're thrust into the position of having to do so. Most people think /RDM is "just a solo sub" and thus don't learn the techniques, after all. That does not, however, save me from wincing whenever a mob spends more time looking at DDs than at the PLD because all he's using is Flash. Even if I try to point out /RDM hate tools like Blind and Sleep, I'm just quietly ignored, because what could a mage possibly know?

Another one that bugs me is misuse of Atonement. Now to explain, Atonement's damage is dependent on how much hate you've built up. If you have very little hate it does next to nothing, while if you've built up a large amount it can do as much as 750 damage. Unfortunately, not all PLDs seem to understand this. Why do I say that? Because I've seen more than a few PLDs open a fight with Atonement. Now, Provoke generates a good chunk of hate, I'll admit, but it alone isn't going to give you enough hate to make Atonement the best option at the start of a fight. Use Swift Blade or something if you start the fight with TP, for crying out loud! The damage will be higher, and it'll count towards the Atonements you use later.

So, anyone else? -- Pteryx
 
I think this is a pretty common frustration. We'll know how to play our main job(s), so when we see someone totally phoning it in, it drives us up the wall.
It's like when I was leveling White Mage as a subjob and I saw other Red Mages in the party sitting on full mp pools all night long. Shit just makes you want to punch people.
 
you want your paladin using blind and sleep to pull hate? er.. am I missing something?
 
Shady said:
you want your paladin using blind and sleep to pull hate? er.. am I missing something?
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Timers on everything else being down? IIRC Blind spikes ~600 Volatile Enmity, which isn't great but if all your other timers are down and you can't lug around an HP set to induce a cure why not?

Sleep's 300 VE, but 300 Cumulative Enmity, which is better long term since almost everything else in Paladin's toolbag is high VE but piddly CE.

I'm not a Paladin though, so someone correct me if I'm way off base here.
 
If your samurai busts out a 400 pt. weapon skill, tossing the mob a blind or sleep (which lets face it, is probably going to be resisted) isn't gonna do shit, even if it's unresisted. Frankly the best way a pld/rdm to keep hate is to cure the DD when they take damage followed by flashing the mob.
 
Heh. Well, let me give you my personals:

1. WHMs who go to 75 in AF. BLAAH, for heaven's sakes, GET A NOBLE'S TUNIC AT LEAST!!!!! They aren't as expensive as when I was scrimping and saving to get mine, blast you. (They were 10 mil then.)

2. SMNs that can't kite..Which takes me to 3 that is "you're doing it wrong";

3. SMNs that wear only MP gear and don't AT LEAST use the relic pants if you got them and go for the right gear(YYR, etc.). I slapped a friend of mine for using uncursed cursed pants..And I saw a smn wearing a green rug aka. Dalmatica in Campaign..EEK! Get rid of the rug, darn you! Save that for RDM!!!
 
Eli, you've seen some of the better geared Smns out there. I see Smns wearing Errant Hands/Legs/Feet all the time. Hell, the other day I was in a pt with a 72 Whm wearing Errant cuffs. This really confused me cause he had Blessed trousers. In the days of fast lvling people don't know how to gear properly or take pride in what they lvl.
 
I was in a Garlaige Citadel party the other day where the DNC, even though she had daggers capped, insisted on using h2h and wouldnt use any Steps. The PLD, oh man, the PLD wouldnt Flash the mob or use any JA's to keep hate. Thank goodness he DCed and the fight ended, all that was rubbing me raw =/
 
Myrrh said:
Eli, you've seen some of the better geared Smns out there. I see Smns wearing Errant Hands/Legs/Feet all the time. Hell, the other day I was in a pt with a 72 Whm wearing Errant cuffs. This really confused me cause he had Blessed trousers. In the days of fast lvling people don't know how to gear properly or take pride in what they lvl.
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Eww, that's worse. I admit, I've had a friend who did whm and he used full errant, you'd better believe I chewed him out/joshed him/yelled at him about it. That's even worse than full af (and I mean AF1, not AF2/relic) whms, which is a sign of a very lazy person imo. I told him, "Get blessed and a noble's tunic, silly!"

...Took some ribbing but he finally fixed it. (he'd gotten 75 blm before he ever got 75 whm.)

And I'd really gag if I saw a smn in full errant. I can understand someone wearing the top if you're camping Shiki..but please..don't wear more than the shirt...and save it for resting if you got YYR...
 
Shady said:
If your samurai busts out a 400 pt. weapon skill, tossing the mob a blind or sleep (which lets face it, is probably going to be resisted) isn't gonna do shit, even if it's unresisted. Frankly the best way a pld/rdm to keep hate is to cure the DD when they take damage followed by flashing the mob.
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If your Sam's are busting out 400pt WS's they must be gimp as fuck.

As pld/rdm, your tossing out blind/sleep/dispel/etc. not to have them land, but only for getting hate(like what cid said)

Also, if your pld's best(only) way to get hate is to cure DD/flash, then they should quit the game
 
Shady said:
If your samurai busts out a 400 pt. weapon skill, tossing the mob a blind or sleep (which lets face it, is probably going to be resisted) isn't gonna do shit, even if it's unresisted. Frankly the best way a pld/rdm to keep hate is to cure the DD when they take damage followed by flashing the mob.
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Have you ever end gamed with a PLD/RDM? Or are you just saying shit to look dumb.

I've done PLD/RDM and it is a great way to keep hate in long fights. You have SS/Phalanx/Sentinel/Rampart at your disposal.

JoL is a perfect example of when I used PLD/RDM....
 
jyakotsu said:
Have you ever end gamed with a PLD/RDM? Or are you just saying shit to look dumb.

I've done PLD/RDM and it is a great way to keep hate in long fights. You have SS/Phalanx/Sentinel/Rampart at your disposal.

JoL is a perfect example of when I used PLD/RDM....
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And shield bash dur!

But yes, SS/Phalanx/Sentinel/Shield Bash/Rampart/Cures/Flash/Sleep/Blind/Dispel are the spells to use to hold hate on PLD/RDM. Not just Flash and cure DDs.
 
jyakotsu said:
Have you ever end gamed with a PLD/RDM? Or are you just saying shit to look dumb.

I've done PLD/RDM and it is a great way to keep hate in long fights. You have SS/Phalanx/Sentinel/Rampart at your disposal.

JoL is a perfect example of when I used PLD/RDM....
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I've endgamed with paladin plenty and was just responding specifically to the sleep/blind spells for hate, which in endgame is a total waste of mp. I wasn't commenting on job abilities or dispel, stoneskin, or anything else, specifically those two spells, which are useless. I'm almost surprised he didn't mention casting Bind for hate! And the 400 pt. weapon skill was just to make the point that a little damage will completely negate the enmity from sleep or a blind spell no matter how "cumulative" the enmity you receive from that spell is, because it's minimal at best.
 
Shady said:
I've endgamed with paladin plenty and was just responding specifically to the sleep/blind spells for hate, which in endgame is a total waste of mp. I wasn't commenting on job abilities or dispel, stoneskin, or anything else, specifically those two spells, which are useless. I'm almost surprised he didn't mention casting Bind for hate! And the 400 pt. weapon skill was just to make the point that a little damage will completely negate the enmity from sleep or a blind spell no matter how "cumulative" the enmity you receive from that spell is, because it's minimal at best.
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NIN/DRK use Blind and sleep for hate... Why can't PLD/RDM who have more hate and more mp?

Don't get why there would be a difference.

I've tanked with PLD/WAR, PLD/NIN, PLD/RDM, and PLD/BLM. There are several situations where PLD/RDM is better a tank than PLD/NIN. All the cheap fast tools that PLD/RDM has build up, I can cast 6-7 spells for decent VE and CE before flash is up. The only restriction is when SS and Phalanx are down.

If you are curing DD as your sole way of gaining hate on PLD/RDM you are doing it wrong... way wrong.
 
Shady said:
I've endgamed with paladin plenty and was just responding specifically to the sleep/blind spells for hate, which in endgame is a total waste of mp. I wasn't commenting on job abilities or dispel, stoneskin, or anything else, specifically those two spells, which are useless. I'm almost surprised he didn't mention casting Bind for hate! And the 400 pt. weapon skill was just to make the point that a little damage will completely negate the enmity from sleep or a blind spell no matter how "cumulative" the enmity you receive from that spell is, because it's minimal at best.
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You are aware that Sleep has the same VE/CE as Dispel, for 6 MP less, right? And that Blind/Bind have twice the VE spike of things like Rampart?

In short, if you're not using Sleep/Sleep II (if you're tanking on RDM or DRK) then you're a fucking idiot. And if you're not punching Bind when you've lost hate to some WS-happy melee, you're equally stupid.
 
Elizara said:
Heh. Well, let me give you my personals:

1. WHMs who go to 75 in AF. BLAAH, for heaven's sakes, GET A NOBLE'S TUNIC AT LEAST!!!!! They aren't as expensive as when I was scrimping and saving to get mine, blast you. (They were 10 mil then.)
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With Jyak and Suriou raging on tanks I'll add to some of the mage 'get out of my freaking face!!'

- WHMs selling their Noble's when they obtain a Cleric's Briault/Dalmatica.
(r.a.g.e.)
- Mages that never heard of a stoneskin set.
Come in folks, it isn't hard to push yourself to ~100 MND and having stonesking absorb 350 damage.
- White mages that don't use or don't know how to use Flash.
- Mages without a decent resting set.
Just a Dark staff isn't enough people, an Errant Houpelande's +5/tick beats the refresh from your noble's.
And ffs... Eat cookies!!
- Mages using Zenith equipment for anything but max MP for initial buffs and HP down for triggering a Ring latent.
Lastly:
- Bring your meds...
Come on, you're a casting job, silence makes you about as useful as a porn magazine to a blind person.
Have at least one stack of echo drops on you wherever you go...
 
Shirai said:
With Jyak and Suriou raging on tanks I'll add to some of the mage 'get out of my freaking face!!'

- WHMs selling their Noble's when they obtain a Cleric's Briault/Dalmatica.
(r.a.g.e.)
- Mages that never heard of a stoneskin set.
Come in folks, it isn't hard to push yourself to ~100 MND and having stonesking absorb 350 damage.
- White mages that don't use or don't know how to use Flash.
- Mages without a decent resting set.
Just a Dark staff isn't enough people, an Errant Houpelande's +5/tick beats the refresh from your noble's.
And ffs... Eat cookies!!
- Mages using Zenith equipment for anything but max MP for initial buffs and HP down for triggering a Ring latent.
Lastly:
- Bring your meds...
Come on, you're a casting job, silence makes you about as useful as a porn magazine to a blind person.
Have at least one stack of echo drops on you wherever you go...
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all of that....
 
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