Valkyrs

The main topic of this post was Valkyrs. Then eternalist went on a spree to derail it and turn the attention off of Valkyr's and on to himself. He did this utilizing the argument that you can't judge a entire LS because two people do something wrong.

This is a very valid point, and I agree with it entirely. However, as soon as THE LINKSHELL used the item to pop byakko, the ENTIRE LS, everyone in it, just willingly accepted the act that the two members had commited as ok.

*I'm sorry, this has been PISSING ME OFF this entire thread how you kept making this argument eternalist, cause you had a point before the linkshell popped him, but once they did you just kept going. This entire thread has been a complete piece of shit since page 5 because of you're ass. FUCKING SHUT UP.
 
Kathyr said:
However, as soon as THE LINKSHELL used the item to pop byakko, the ENTIRE LS, everyone in it, just willingly accepted the act that the two members had commited as ok.
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Not everyone in THE LINKSHELL (dun dun dun) was at that fight. So don't assume the ENTIRE LS (dun dun dun) was even there.
 
Ok, everyone that was there for the pop and partook in the glorious act of slaying the mighty beast has condoned the act of stealing the NM as ok.

However, while trying to belittle my post you only stated a flaw in it, while not argueing with its truth otherwise to the comment I have fixed. I must thank you for pointing out the error in my judgement.
 
Mirewen said:
Not everyone in THE LINKSHELL (dun dun dun) was at that fight. So don't assume the ENTIRE LS (dun dun dun) was even there.
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Except that every person from that has posted here from your LS has admited to it being shady, and a low thing to do, and really doesn't seem to give a damn.

So, since you all seem to not give a damn about any kind of ethics at all, any courtecy towards valks sohuld be thrown out the window in your mind.

You all are complaining about how bad sky is. Guess what??? IT GETS EVEN WORSE WHEN PEOPLE STEAL SHIT FROM EACHOTHER. I can't believe one byakko stone is worth losing respect.

And so what if Ami was pissed off that you all had been killing PHs or w/e, you lost the damn claim, if you wanted it so bad, why didnt you camp out in the middle, killed everything and hunted for ulli, and possibly actually earned the claim.

So far it just sounds like all of you just want it to go away and are using bull shit excuses as a reasoning for supporting this bull shit.
 
Anyway, I do not much care to argue with eternalist for many pages. Everyone has had their share of that.

Even in eternalists last example, (don't get me wrong, the example is horribly used and I think its ludicrous in this context) the wronging party in it could still just offer a apology and it would make the world of difference.

Such as has been asked of Valkyr already in this post, and they have failed to give. Done with this thread.
 
LS doesn't = country

If anything over 50% of a LS participates in acts supporting misconduct, then it is fair to say the all with the assumed knowledge that not 100% were actually responsible. However, as they all benefit from having more members better equiped at the price of the original poster's LS's effort, the whole LS takes a little heat. If someone in Valkyrs doesn't like it, they can always leave.

Sure they may not want to, but its a judgement call they choose to make.
"Stay and get more loot in sky at the risk of tarnishing my reputation via other's misconduct, or take the moral highground and leave."
 
Skaw said:
You're a clueless window watcher who doesn't know the whole story, Fire. He didn't get on my nerves until after I got the Osode, cause really, he wasn't there until just before it happened. The schedule conflict happened after I got it too. Most of the members when I joined has theirs as well. We had a really good drop rate on Osode. If I wanted to leave after I had gotten everything, wouldn't it make sense that I stick around for the Pole, which I was either 2nd or 3rd for in Queue when I stopped going, and D. Body? Again, you know nothing of it other than the fact that I stopped going, get your nose out of the business.

I believe I earned it, yes. When there were overtime camps, and unscheduled days, I went. They stopped happening though. I clocked most of my play time while I was an active part of Valkyrs in sky, and some of the nonsky time helping members with their quests, so don't patronize me on that part. Everyone wanted to stop earlier, and start earlier. My schedule was already having me show up late to begin with, moving the camps earlier was really problematic.

No one really had an issue with me not showing up either. No one sent me a tell with "Why'd you stop?" The only time I ever got a tell was during a one week break I took to get some EXP back, cause like I said, most of my play time was clocked helping Valkyrs out, Villarel wanted to know if I was done exping or not. And the occasional tell from Ryme saying everyone missed me there after I stopped showing up.

I'm not a part of another sky shell, countercamping Valkyrs. I wouldn't do that, cause that would be fucked up. They're free to ask me to help them if they've run into overtime camping and they're still there when I get off work, I have no problems with that.

They knew why I left, and didn't have a problem with it, so whats your deal? Seriously, quit the PMSing, it doesn't concern you in the slightest.

Do you want an overcrowded sky? Are you even still doing sky yourself? Theres nothing wrong with telling people the obvious, sky will get too crowded if new shells keep springing up. I didn't say they can't go, or that only the original shells and their members belong there. Hell, if you join one of the older shells, chances are you'll get your stuff faster. More problems like this will start, especially with mobs that have severe spawn conditions, like Ulli, and Steam Cleaner. Things will boil worse if more shells keep getting pumped out.


And calling me selfish just makes me giggle, I have so many items loaned out to people, they didn't even expect I would. Like Kat's currently borring my Enkalydos Bracelets, and Aerdrie is borrowing an Astral Earring.
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The value of an Osode is different from that of a D Body and Pole for a great many reasons. People spend months in sky to get their Osode. People get their D body off their first or second kirin cause nobody else wants it that doesn't already have it. You can buy a Pole in a bazaar for a few mill. Having an osode in a way flags you from the longest wait for anything you might need out of sky, therefore yes once you get it you will be more likely to leave your LS for stupid shit because you could join any LS and quickly get any of the other stuff you might want in the future.

And you believe you earned it... well.. let me tell you something. I've been going to sky with my LS since april, and I've been extremely active and never skip for anything but real life. I don't boast to anyone I earned my Osode. You know who earned my Osode? My LINKSHELL earned my osode. Until every one of my linkshell members has everything they want out of sky, I didn't earn my Osode. Period. End of story. Just because I was given it, doesn't mean I am right to just walk away with it.

It doesn't matter if you're a generous person. I don't care that you loan you gear out. In 3 months, you didn't earn all your sky gear. Because in 3 months, it's not possible to get a LS completely done with sky from the start to finish. By saying you earned it, you're saying you owe Valkyrs NOTHING. By keeping it, that's what you're telling me. But I'm so sorry you had to suffer the terrible pain of listening to suggestions, perhaps by some scrub who don't even deserve to be in sky like you?

It doesn't matter if you're generous, it doesn't matter if you only can't go to sky because you got a job or you had a kid or you got sick of FF. The point I was trying to make is this. Let's just look at this like a numbers game, which is really all that FF is.

Let's say 2 full sets on average gets a guy all his sky gear. So for everyone involved in farming your sky set, let's say 24 people. Did you farm 48 sky sets? For everyone involved in killing your regular gods.. let's say 28 people... did you kill 56 genbus, byakkos seiryus and suzakas? You killed 60 kirins?

If you didn't... let me tell ya something. You didn't earn JAC*********KK SHITTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. Cause that's what it takes, mathematically to say you put in what you took out. And that's assuming that monk is as valuable as the jobs, which it isn't. And if you're saying you did all that in 3 months, I'm gonna say "ha." I'm sure you don't owe anyone in Valk anything, you earned it all. *rolls eyes*

But forget all the talk about how generous you are Skaw. I'm sure you're a regular saint. The point I was trying to make is this. Let's say you took all the people like Skaw, who are 'good intentioned' but simply can't put the hours in they need and don't possess the loyalty required. Then you take all those people like Miisha who just wanna smash, grab and run for it. You take those people out of sky. They never get their sky armor. Then people like me who stay loyal to the LS that gave me gear, and you put all us in the same linkshell and we farm sky.

Guess what? Sky is not a revolving door. We do sky. We all get our gear. We leave sky. New generation comes in, gets their gear, leaves sky. Not so damn crowded.

So forgetting the assertion of greed versus Skaw couldn't come to sky because 1 single person he doens't get along with means it's the right thing to stop coming. Forgetting the morality of the situation implicated. The fact that your sky LS still farms sky and you're not with them = you are part of the problem, if you are to blame for it or not. And then you tell the new guys, they shouldn't even come up, it's all yours.

This is a damn stupid way to think.
 
Again, it's none of your fucking business Firestreak, Valkyrs didn't have an issue with me leaving.

Cry more, please. It's doing nothing.
 
You know Skaw, you ever think I just might know the opinions of your former LS members that they never decided to tell you to your face?

Why am I crying? You're the one who's btiching sky is crowded. What the hell should you care, you don't farm it no more. Just by talking about the problems of sky and trying to assign blame to others you come off as a damn fool when you're quite obviously part of the problem.
 
Firestreak said:
You know Skaw, you ever think I just might know the opinions of your former LS members that they never decided to tell you to your face?

Why am I crying? You're the one who's btiching sky is crowded. What the hell should you care, you don't farm it no more. Just by talking about the problems of sky and trying to assign blame to others you come off as a damn fool when you're quite obviously part of the problem.
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Then thats their problem, really. I doubt its that way though, except for perhaps the one I told off.

And yes, you're crying, going on a tirade of moaning over someone whose real life started interfering with the game. I fail to see how my not farming any more has anything to do with common sense regarding sky, but then again, what should it matter, right?
 
As a side note I really am quite curious what would make it OK to blame Valkyrs for this incident in Yanzi's and Laur's head.

A party of Valkyrs' robbing the LS of the NM? Not blamable yet.
The leader of Valkyrs' aware and unwilling to return the stone? Not blamable yet.
An alliance of Valkyrs' using the stolen pop item and killing Byakko? Not blammable yet.

What exactly has to happen in order for Valkyrs' to do wrong in Yanzi and Laur's eyes? It seems as if Laur doesn't view the action as wrong in the first place. Stealing is just ok? Maybe Valkyrs' can't be blamed cause some members feel bad about what happened?

Maybe some people just don't want to accept the truth...

Maybe people prefer to believe the lie. And they'll hold it in their hands tightly long after there's nothing left but ashes.
 
Zoolander said:
Except that every person from that has posted here from your LS has admited to it being shady, and a low thing to do, and really doesn't seem to give a damn.

So, since you all seem to not give a damn about any kind of ethics at all, any courtecy towards valks sohuld be thrown out the window in your mind.

You all are complaining about how bad sky is. Guess what??? IT GETS EVEN WORSE WHEN PEOPLE STEAL SHIT FROM EACHOTHER. I can't believe one byakko stone is worth losing respect.

And so what if Ami was pissed off that you all had been killing PHs or w/e, you lost the damn claim, if you wanted it so bad, why didnt you camp out in the middle, killed everything and hunted for ulli, and possibly actually earned the claim.

So far it just sounds like all of you just want it to go away and are using bull shit excuses as a reasoning for supporting this bull shit.
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No, and I'll relate this to a talk show because this is the type of people that seem to be responding. Everyone always believes the first story and yes, I know you'll say "then Valk should post their side". Some LS' don't post. If you actually want to find out what happened and be non-biased, you can ask Villarel yourself his side. Seeing as how you were in Perfect for such a long time, you should know the quality of people in Valkyrs. And I'll repeat, I haven't been on in a week aside from 1 Limbus run so I was not there.
 
It's pathetic that how in a few weeks this will be forgotten. Everyone posts here agruing who was right and who is wrong is all just a waste of time and energy, only aggression.

If it's so bad, just counter camp them, and jack their mob. Let them scream, bitch and yell at you. Then they will post their little flame, and in return you can use this as a weapon on how they are no where near as perfect. I feel bad That Gir's Ls lost their stone to someone that see's their self as so high and might, to the point they can do anything they want.
Lots of people say stealing is wrong, verses If it goes unclaim thems the breaks. If that was the case, why did Vil say "We'll give you the stone." Then suddenly their nin log's off and none of them has yet to respond to that. Obviously they knew they were at fault, yet chose to lie and ignore about all this. I think it's real crappy That they "stole" the mob, but i think it's even worse they lied and promised to give it back.

I already knew their leader didnt care for me much, but at least I know he are no where near as perfect.
 
Skaw said:
Then thats their problem, really. I doubt its that way though, except for perhaps the one I told off.

And yes, you're crying, going on a tirade of moaning over someone whose real life started interfering with the game. I fail to see how my not farming any more has anything to do with common sense regarding sky, but then again, what should it matter, right?
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What you no longer farming has to do with the crowding of sky?

When you left, as a result someone else joined who would not have joined otherwise.

As a result Valkyrs farm sky longer to get the new person gear.

As a result an old member who has been in sky for months sick of seeing people cycle in and out leaves.

As a result a new person must be invited.

As a result Valkyrs continues to farm sky still in February 2006.

And don't assume too much about who I know or don't know in Valks. In game I'm a fairly personable character and have a fair number of friends in every shell. It is funny though how people view someone differs from how he assumes he's viewed.
 
Firestreak said:
When you left, as a result someone else joined who would not have joined otherwise.[/url]

I highly doubt my abscense met with a new recruit, we had so many people at that time, as well as a good deal of monks. We were never utilized properly because of the number of us.

As a result Valkyrs farm sky longer to get the new person gear.



As a result Valkyrs continues to farm sky still in February 2006.
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Oh? Well, Considering you said Sky isn't a revolving door, no one can leave, right?

And don't assume too much about who I know or don't know in Valks. In game I'm a fairly personable character and have a fair number of friends in every shell. It is funny though how people view someone differs from how he assumes he's viewed.
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Again, if they want to keep themselves silent, thats their stance. I don't hold any grudge against Valkyrs, and the members that matter to me most likely don't towards me. For all I know, you could be friends with the same douchebag that caused me to stop going.
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Mirewen said:
No, and I'll relate this to a talk show because this is the type of people that seem to be responding. Everyone always believes the first story and yes, I know you'll say "then Valk should post their side". Some LS' don't post. If you actually want to find out what happened and be non-biased, you can ask Villarel yourself his side. Seeing as how you were in Perfect for such a long time, you should know the quality of people in Valkyrs. And I'll repeat, I haven't been on in a week aside from 1 Limbus run so I was not there.
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Arien had said more times than I care to quote that it was a shady thing to do, and people I've asked in PM about the "Valks" side of the story just gave me some bull shit excuse. Everyone of you is using the excuse of "I wasn't there," "This doesnt involve me," "I can't do anything," "I don't care," "Your just a bandwagoner," etc etc. All those are cop-outs and you know it. If theres some great truth to be told, why don't you enligten me, in PM or on board, because so far every Valks person on this thread has just admited guilt and said they really dont give a fuck.

And what the hell would make me biased at all? If anything I'm biased towards Valks side, jesus they were my #1 choice for a LS a few weeks ago and I did dynamis with them for months...
 
Well, I haven't been on in a week so I really don't care wtf other people say about not being there because... quite frankly... I wasn't there. I have talked to everyone in the LS, they all gave me the exact same scenario which is much more believable. I'm going home now, have fun continuing to whine.
 
Which is? And thats the same shitty atitude everyone else has, what I read from your reply was "continue to whine, because I don't care. Your wrong, but I know somthing other ppl in my LS that told you our story dont, but I'm not going to tell you."

What the hell mire, ethics go out the window now? This can go to you and dres, how can you possibly support this? We almost never CCed anyone in ESP and avoided it at all costs. And we sure as hell NEVER even thought about stealing shit from somone that won claim, no matter what. So WTF?
 
Valkyr just give them your next Ulli stone... much better than having a ruined repuation..
 
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