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[Linhjah]

When I die I'm going to be so happy I don't have to deal with this shit-hole world anymore. No more taxes. No more drama. No more bullshit.

Isn't that enough to look forward to? It's enough for me.

That is quite the black little rain cloud you have going here. XD
If you make time to focus on the fun, positive aspects of life instead of the taxes, drama, and bullshit, maybe things wouldn't be so bleak.
Life is what you make of it. You always have a choice.

 

[Uzor]

That is quite the black little rain cloud you have going here. XD
If you make time to focus on the fun, positive aspects of life instead of the taxes, drama, and bullshit, maybe things wouldn't be so bleak.
Life is what you make of it. You always have a choice.

That is not entirely true. Like is also a whole lot about luck. Some get dealt a straight flush at birth, some a full house, and some a pair of twos. You have to learn how to play with the cards your dealt, even if they are shitty. Some people with bad cards learn how to cheat to get through life, like criminals.

Some people chose to fold by committing suicide, some struggle on through life in the hope that next round they will be dealt better cards. Some bluff and play the cards best they can. Sadly, no matter how well they play their cards right, people with a straight flush will always come out a head, simply because they got lucky when they got dealt their cards.

While yes, you do have a choice, some people are limited in the amount of choices they have. You can't simply step up and say "I will win this round" with a pair of twos, without an extreme amount of luck, a damn good poker face, and a whole lot of skill.

 

[Linhjah]

That is not entirely true. Like is also a whole lot about luck. Some get dealt a straight flush at birth, some a full house, and some a pair of twos. You have to learn how to play with the cards your dealt, even if they are shitty. Some people with bad cards learn how to cheat to get through life, like criminals.

Some people chose to fold by committing suicide, some struggle on through life in the hope that next round they will be dealt better cards. Some bluff and play the cards best they can. Sadly, no matter how well they play their cards right, people with a straight flush will always come out a head, simply because they got lucky when they got dealt their cards.

While yes, you do have a choice, some people are limited in the amount of choices they have. You can't simply step up and say "I will win this round" with a pair of twos, without an extreme amount of luck, a damn good poker face, and a whole lot of skill.

You almost always have a choice. By acting as if you don't, you do nothing but make yourself a victim. Things like a plane crashing into your car as you are driving down a highway is bad luck. A lot of stuff people say is bad luck is not luck at all, its the result of poor choices.

I could say that the car wreck I got into at the beginning of this month was bad luck, and I'm sure a lot of people would agree and sympathize. In all actuality, it had nothing to do with luck. The woman driving the car that hit me made a bad choice by speeding. I made a bad choice to turn when I did instead of waiting patiently until I could be 110% sure there was no other traffic.

If you are accountable for your actions, life is always more positive. You have to make stuff happen for you instead of waiting for things to happen to you.

You're right, you can't make a choice to win and then just win. You can, however, win by making good choices throughout the course of the game. Poker is a game of skill, not luck. If it was just a game of luck, there would be no such thing as professional poker players. Consistently good poker players tend to be able to read their opponents and good with statistics and on the spot calculations, among other things. They don't sit there and hope that lady luck happens to deal them pocket aces and they hold all the way to the river.

A person who is dealt a royal flush at the start of the tournament will win that hand. There are always more hands to be played, and it isn't very likely that same person will be dealt a royal flush again or even a straight flush. Just because that person is chip leader after the first hand does not mean he will win the tournament.

 

[Uzor]

You almost always have a choice. By acting as if you don't, you do nothing but make yourself a victim. Things like a plane crashing into your car as you are driving down a highway is bad luck. A lot of stuff people say is bad luck is not luck at all, its the result of poor choices.

I could say that the car wreck I got into at the beginning of this month was bad luck, and I'm sure a lot of people would agree and sympathize. In all actuality, it had nothing to do with luck. The woman driving the car that hit me made a bad choice by speeding. I made a bad choice to turn when I did instead of waiting patiently until I could be 110% sure there was no other traffic.

If you are accountable for your actions, life is always more positive. You have to make stuff happen for you instead of waiting for things to happen to you.

You're right, you can't make a choice to win and then just win. You can, however, win by making good choices throughout the course of the game. Poker is a game of skill, not luck. If it was just a game of luck, there would be no such thing as professional poker players. Consistently good poker players tend to be able to read their opponents and good with statistics and on the spot calculations, among other things. They don't sit there and hope that lady luck happens to deal them pocket aces and they hold all the way to the river.

A person who is dealt a royal flush at the start of the tournament will win that hand. There are always more hands to be played, and it isn't very likely that same person will be dealt a royal flush again or even a straight flush. Just because that person is chip leader after the first hand does not mean he will win the tournament.

I never said you don't have a choice. You always have a choice. What I said is luck plays a huge party in our lives. I even mentioned that you always have a choice. If you'd read what I said, I said that some people have more choices or less choices depending on how life deals them cards. Tom Cruise's kids will, for example, have more choices available in life, simply due to being Tom Cruise's children. He will have an acting career earlier in life, most likely without even trying, while others work their ass off to get a role as an actor, without getting much more then a background character in the back of a café, credited as "Man 5". Some people are born retarded, which already there puts a HUGE limit on the amount of choices they can make. Sure, they still have the small choices that won't impact their life too much, like if they should leave 1 min earlier or 1 min later then they usually would, whether to bring an umbrella or not, which clothes to chose. These choices aren't important, and unless they are extremely lucky or extremely unlucky, it won't make a huge impact on their lives.

That's why, if you'd read my post, I also mentioned folding. Some people can't play with the cards they're dealt (that is, the life position they are currently in), and simply fold. Folding can mean one of several things, just sitting around waiting for their lives to change, or the more drastic measure of suicide. Both of those are choices, neither very good ones, but still choices. With these cards, you only really have 4 choices that will make a huge impact on your life. They are

1. "giving up" and waiting for something to happen
2. Suicide
3. Accept your situation and struggle onwards
4. Really work to get out of the situation

1 leads to depression, 2 leads to death, 3 leads to living a perhaps happy life, possibly without much excitement. 4 can lead to what 1 hopes to achieve, but requires much more effort and skill. Here they come to a T section

1. Bluffing
2. Cheating
3. Go back

Bluffing means playing with a poker face, sometimes a bit of lying, and trying to make your hand seem as good as possible in order to win over others. Situations where this is in place, is, for example, a job interview. You mention the good, and tone down the bad. Make the good seem better, and the bad not a very big deal. Cheating can involve, but isn't limited to, stealing. Go back means going back to the old cross intersection.

These are the base choices EVERYONE have, and is a huge network of roads and intersections. however, interesting things happen if we involve luck. Because, suddenly, pit falls and U-turns are introduced. A U-turn can be both good and bad. Can either be a turn for the better, or a turn for the worse, and is something you might not directly be able to affect. That is what others affect in your life, such as the person hiring you or firing you. Sure, by not screwing up at work, you could keep your job and prevent coming to a U-turn by having the other person firing you. There's other U-turns though, such as simply being at the right/wrong place at the right/wrong time, which is what all your good and bad choices lead up to. This is part of luck. While life itself is just what a collection of our choices lead to, it is an unknown factor as we basically just pick a road and have no idea what it leads up to. Why I'll mention next.

While choosing road 4 could overall be more beneficial then choosing road 1, that also close the roads in the other 3 choices. The roads in the first choice, could lead to a U-turn where you, say, accidentally bump in to some guy or girl that you fall madly in love with, or taking the unusual way home and picking up a lotto ticket and win the jackpot. These are all things that you might have missed if you had chosen the other roads. While it is due to the course of our actions, it is something unforeseeable and unknown, thus luck. All of the initial 4 roads could have lead to something better, just the means to achieving it differs.

One person's road could go through a green field, while another's go through the desert. Some people just start out better then others, and whichever road they chose might lead to something better then the guy in the desert. Life is a game, and our choices is the playing field. How you chose to play your cards is up to you. But in the end, your future will always be unknown, and luck will always be your greatest ally or most formidable foe.

And yes, I know. I also already mentioned that. When I Said dealt a Royal Flush at the start (read: birth) I simply meant that he would have a better start in the tournament (read: life) then the players.

PS: I'm sure you can figure out what a pit fall is.

 

[Uzor]

I realize that maybe I chose the wrong words in my first post. Options would have been a better word then choices. Some people have more options available to them. The basic choices are practically the same. Left/right, up/down, wait/leave. Yes/no, Cheese Burger/Mc. Feast.

Some people have the option to become an actor, while others don't. While that in itself is a choice whether or not to pursue it, it is an option some might not be able to chose, for one reason or another. Be it being born with a physical defect, or bad luck resulting in a broken spine. Thus learning to play with the cards you're dealt. Life is a game you can only play once. Some just play on a harder initial difficulty.

 

[Zaltana]

Linhjah i loved your post and agree with you 100%.

Life IS what you make of it. im living proof of that. I was born during a dry spell in my family. i have a group of cousins that are older then me and a group that are younger then me. From an early age i started looking at things from multiple angles. i saw mistakes made by my older siblings then thought about what would happen to my younger ones. this way of looking at life stayed with me forever. i saw the people growing up around me making stupid choices again and again and thought to myself, "why would they do that, all the trouble they got into seems to pointless". They would blame it on bad luck and whatnot. Some, i could go as far as to say most, of these dumb asses were your typical inner city wannabe thugs and blame it on "the man".

No matter what difficulty of life's game you start out with you have full control over how it progresses. it all depends on the person themselves. You have to be strong enough to take your life by the horns and make it go where you want. I've watched to many just drift through thinking, "this is all i can be or do." blah blah blah. They just take what they are given and think there is nothing they can do about it. My brother and i were given the same path when we were born. He chose to walk it and run with the bad kids in the neighborhood, and i do mean hood, and the choices he made are the reason he where he is today. omitting the details he has a criminal record as long as a college term paper. thankfully none of his offenses are violent ones. Time and time again he makes STUPID choices. His life is a result of what he, himself, made it not anyone else.

 

[Uzor]

I never once said you can't make your life in to what you want it to be. However, most don't realize that, and I explained several different angles. That was what my entire post was about. However, sometimes life throws stuff at you that you DO NOT have control over, even if they are direct results of your choices, which is what my post were also about. Such as being in a car crash. That is bad luck, however, it is a direct result of you choosing to drive that road at that time, and could have been easily avoided by driving there at a different time, or driving another road. Even though that is a result of your action, it is bad luck, simply because it is not something you could have saw coming. One could even go as far as to say it is YOUR fault, simply because of this reason:

You chose to drive X road at Y time. When you turn and drive around a corner, another car comes crashing right in to you, resulting in the driver dieing. you survive with only small injuries. While it might have been the driver's fault and not your fault, simply because he didn't follow the rules of the road, it is also your fault for driving there at that time. The choices you made to drive there at that very time, every choice you've made your entire life, lead up to you being at that place at that very time. So theoretically, because of the choices you made, that driver died. Had you left perhaps one minute earlier, or one minute later, said man might have survived.

While you and a lot of others might not agree with my line of thinking, it is true. While it was bad luck for both of you, it is something that happened due to both of your choices through life, and thus you are responsible for his death as well. Now to the part I'm sure you agree with. Any rational individual would not blame you for the accident if the other driver were drunk (even though him dieing is a direct result of your, as well as his own, choices). And that is what bad luck is. It is something unknown and unexpected that happens to you because of something someone else do. No matter how you see it, life is a net of everyone's choices, that is ever-changing depending on the choices everyone make, not just yourself. The choices you make result in you meeting other people, that you might not otherwise have met had you not made that choice. Our lives are affected by other's choices just as much as it is affected by our own. The fact that you live and breath is a direct proof of this. Had your mother and father not met, you had not even existed. They met by choice, and you're now lucky enough to be alive.

I am not saying that you're not responsible for your own actions. Far from it. You can decide the direction your life goes. But you can't say you're in charge of everything. The only way you can decide everything is in your dreams and thoughts.

 

[Linhjah]

Tom Cruise's kids will, for example, have more choices available in life, simply due to being Tom Cruise's children.

Different choices, maybe. The number of choices will be the same as anyone else.

Some people are born retarded, which already there puts a HUGE limit on the amount of choices they can make.

With the exception of severe retardation, they will still have about the same number of choices, just different choices. They have different limitations, but, just like with anyone else, finding a way to work with or around those limitations is the key to success and happiness. Happiness doesn't mean being rich or famous for everyone, not even those who are rich or famous.

More poker analogy

The way you are presenting the majority of your argument is based on a hand. In all actuality, life is not a hand of poker; a series of tournaments would be more accurate. You will win some hands and you will lose some. Same with tournaments. Everyone has hands they have to fold. Good players know when to fold; folding isn't a bad thing. You never fold your last hand.

That is what others affect in your life, such as the person hiring you or firing you. Sure, by not screwing up at work, you could keep your job and prevent coming to a U-turn by having the other person firing you.

I'm confused about this; I'm not sure what you're getting at. It is very rare that a person is randomly fired. The majority of the time, you get yourself fired through your actions or choices.

While life itself is just what a collection of our choices lead to, it is an unknown factor as we basically just pick a road and have no idea what it leads up to.

Most people I know don't just decide they're going to go to California and then just hop on the first road they find that leads west. They use resources to find an appropriate route to get to California. If you have no goal or destination in mind, yeah, you have no idea what you're getting into. If you decide where you want to go, you are able to plan accordingly and minimize the unknown factor.
You may decide to take a trip with no destination in mind; generally people will do this for the experiences they have while on said trip. That motivation is a choice in and of itself.

But in the end, your future will always be unknown, and luck will always be your greatest ally or most formidable foe.

I disagree. Your future is never certain, however it isn't completely unknown. If it were completely unknown, why would anyone spend time in school or vocational training? Why would programs like rehab exist? People do these things because they see what the outcome could be - its not just a shot in the dark.

There are things that are almost entirely outside your control, however those are few and far between. Life is not a game of chance; life is what you make out of it.

Destiny is not a matter of chance, it is a matter of choice; it is not a thing to be waited for, it is a thing to be achieved.

 

[Linhjah]

Such as being in a car crash. That is bad luck, however, it is a direct result of you choosing to drive that road at that time, and could have been easily avoided by driving there at a different time, or driving another road. Even though that is a result of your action, it is bad luck, simply because it is not something you could have saw coming.

If it was just bad luck, the police officer wouldn’t have given out tickets. Just because you didn’t see it coming doesn’t mean you couldn’t have if you had paid better attention.

Any rational individual would not blame you for the accident if the other driver were drunk (even though him dieing is a direct result of your, as well as his own, choices).

The death of that drunk driver is no one’s fault but his own. Do not criminalize the other party.

However, sometimes life throws stuff at you that you DO NOT have control over, even if they are direct results of your choices, which is what my post were also about.

I don’t disagree with this, however, as stated before, those things are very few and far between. IMO that is the root of this little debate. To me, you are making a mountail out of a molehill.

 

[Alyada]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, I think I started an argument.

Let's get some things straight:

- I have a good life. Wonderful parents, good siblings, and a loving fiance whom I am incredibly smitten with.
- I have a good job, with monthly bonuses. I got there on the sweat of my brow and having real experience. My meaning is: I didn't just fall into this job, I earned it.
- I have a nice house with nice things in it. Not many people can afford all three modern consoles with only their money.

I could go on, but I'll save you. The point is, I'm going to die sometime (real soon) within the next 50 years. I'll be happy when I die, because I've made the most of my life and, now, I can worry and stress less because I'll be dead. If that's how it's going to be, and logic & reason tell me it will be so, I don't care. I'll be dead, and that'll be that.

I don't need God to be happy.

 

[Miros]

You won't miss taxes?! D: But I love that state...

 

[Uzor]

Different choices, maybe. The number of choices will be the same as anyone else.

Did you even read my post or think it through? You're basically disagreeing and agreeing with me at the same time. I said here:

1. "giving up" and waiting for something to happen
2. Suicide
3. Accept your situation and struggle onwards
4. Really work to get out of the situation

that EVERYONE have the same basic choices. It applies to everything in life, only for different situations. Such as take job, stick with job, change job.

With the exception of severe retardation, they will still have about the same number of choices, just different choices. They have different limitations, but, just like with anyone else, finding a way to work with or around those limitations is the key to success and happiness. Happiness doesn't mean being rich or famous for everyone, not even those who are rich or famous.

Here you are, again, agreeing with me.

The way you are presenting the majority of your argument is based on a hand. In all actuality, life is not a hand of poker; a series of tournaments would be more accurate. You will win some hands and you will lose some. Same with tournaments. Everyone has hands they have to fold. Good players know when to fold; folding isn't a bad thing. You never fold your last hand.

No, my argument is based on a network of roads and intersections of EVERYONE on this earth. The hand argument is your current hand at the current road you're standing on. I'm not talking about a simple game of poker. I'm talking about your entire life basically being an advanced game, where your hand is the current choices and living situation. By folding you give up and just sit depressed and take what life th rows at you, or commit suicide. Otherwise you struggle towards getting a better hand (read: living situation) by changing your cards and taking different roads in life.

I'm confused about this; I'm not sure what you're getting at. It is very rare that a person is randomly fired. The majority of the time, you get yourself fired through your actions or choices.

It wasn't an argument, it was an example of a U-turn. I never said it wasn't because of your actions. As a matter of fact, I'm sure I said it WAS because of both your AND you boss's choices.

Most people I know don't just decide they're going to go to California and then just hop on the first road they find that leads west. They use resources to find an appropriate route to get to California. If you have no goal or destination in mind, yeah, you have no idea what you're getting into. If you decide where you want to go, you are able to plan accordingly and minimize the unknown factor.
You may decide to take a trip with no destination in mind; generally people will do this for the experiences they have while on said trip. That motivation is a choice in and of itself.

You're struggling really hard. All of them was just, again, examples, not actual situations whee you say "OOOOH! LET'S GO LEFT!". Wiggling your toes is a choice as well, even if you don't think about it.

I disagree. Your future is never certain, however it isn't completely unknown. If it were completely unknown, why would anyone spend time in school or vocational training? Why would programs like rehab exist? People do these things because they see what the outcome could be - its not just a shot in the dark.

There are things that are almost entirely outside your control, however those are few and far between. Life is not a game of chance; life is what you make out of it.

Life is completely unknown. You og to school or vocal training because you aim to become someone. It is a choice you make. You can't know for certain that you'll actually become what you're aiming to become. You might die while in school, for example. you don't know that. You have expectations of what the goal will be, but you don't know for certain if it will go the way you plan.

I didn't say life is a game of chance. I also said that while luck exists, it is not what you think it is. Luck is other's people influence on your life. As for the last part, you, again, agree with me. Because my entire post was, again, that life is w hat you make of it. Hence, if you'd have actually read what I said, "learn to play with the cards you're dealt". I also said that you can't plan everything that will happen in life. Because unexpected things do happen. I highly doubt the people that die in school massacres actually plan on dieing there. It is something unexpected that happen, and bad luck. And who is the reason for the bad luck?

Yeah.

If it was just bad luck, the police officer wouldn’t have given out tickets. Just because you didn’t see it coming doesn’t mean you couldn’t have if you had paid better attention.

It was, again, an example, and not an actual situation.... Stop taking everything so god damned literal.

The death of that drunk driver is no one’s fault but his own. Do not criminalize the other party.

Again, did you actually think about what I wrote? Had you not made the choices you made in life, you would have not been there. Theoretically, it is just as much your fault as it is his. Practically, it is not so, but theoretically it is. You can't chose that he will not drive drunk there. You can chose, however, whether you drive there or not.

I don’t disagree with this, however, as stated before, those things are very few and far between. IMO that is the root of this little debate. To me, you are making a mountail out of a molehill.

No, I'm simply explaining that life isn't as simple as you make it out to be with "You control everything that happens in your life". If you're responsible for the actions you make, you're also responsible for the drunk driver's death simply because you chose to drive there. I'm sure, however, that you'll agree this is not the case.

 

[Linhjah]

Did you even read my post or think it through?

You're struggling really hard.

Hence, if you'd have actually read what I said

Stop taking everything so god damned literal.

Jeebus, take this attitude to the flame board. I was under the impression we were having a decent conversation, and I’m having a hard time understanding the nastiness.

I said here that EVERYONE have the same basic choices.

If you'd read what I said, I said that some people have more choices or less choices depending on how life deals them cards. Tom Cruise's kids will, for example, have more choices available in life, simply due to being Tom Cruise's children.

Some people are born retarded, which already there puts a HUGE limit on the amount of choices they can make.

This seems contradictory to me.

No, my argument is based on a network of roads and intersections of EVERYONE on this earth. The hand argument is your current hand at the current road you're standing on. I'm not talking about a simple game of poker. I'm talking about your entire life basically being an advanced game, where your hand is the current choices and living situation. By folding you give up and just sit depressed and take what life th rows at you, or commit suicide. Otherwise you struggle towards getting a better hand (read: living situation) by changing your cards and taking different roads in life.

I don’t disagree with this.

That is what others affect in your life, such as the person hiring you or firing you. Sure, by not screwing up at work, you could keep your job and prevent coming to a U-turn by having the other person firing you.

It wasn't an argument, it was an example of a U-turn. I never said it wasn't because of your actions. As a matter of fact, I'm sure I said it WAS because of both your AND you boss's choices.

What I was getting at is the “others affect your life” part of that. The fact your boss made a choice to fire you was a choice he had to make because of your actions – you and your actions are the root cause of the issue, not your boss.

You're struggling really hard. All of them was just, again, examples, not actual situations whee you say "OOOOH! LET'S GO LEFT!". Wiggling your toes is a choice as well, even if you don't think about it.

How can you give an example and then be upset that I extrapolated on it? “It was just an example, not something you were really supposed to put thought into,” is how this comes across to me. (Sidenote: I wiggled my toes when I read this.)

Life is completely unknown. You og to school or vocal training because you aim to become someone. It is a choice you make. You can't know for certain that you'll actually become what you're aiming to become. You might die while in school, for example. you don't know that. You have expectations of what the goal will be, but you don't know for certain if it will go the way you plan.

Your future is never certain, however it isn't completely unknown.

It is not completely unknown that someone who snorts coke for a week will become addicted. It isn’t guaranteed, but it is very likely.
There are unexpected things that happen (just because something is unexpected doesn’t make it luck) along the way, so no, it isn’t certain.

I didn't say life is a game of chance. I also said that while luck exists, it is not what you think it is. Luck is other's people influence on your life.

That isn’t how I define luck. Below is more or less how I think of luck.

1. the force that seems to operate for good or ill in a person's life, as in shaping circumstances, events, or opportunities: With my luck I'll probably get pneumonia.
2. good fortune; advantage or success, considered as the result of chance: He had no luck finding work.
3. a combination of circumstances, events, etc., operating by chance to bring good or ill to a person: She's had nothing but bad luck all year.
4. some object on which good fortune is supposed to depend: This rabbit's foot is my luck.

Again, did you actually think about what I wrote? Had you not made the choices you made in life, you would have not been there. Theoretically, it is just as much your fault as it is his. Practically, it is not so, but theoretically it is. You can't chose that he will not drive drunk there. You can chose, however, whether you drive there or not.

It is not your fault theoretically or practically. You did nothing wrong in the situation. There is no blame for obeying all traffic laws while transporting yourself from point A to point B.

You won't miss taxes?! D: But I love that state...

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[Uzor]

This seems contradictory to me.

I also said

I realize that maybe I chose the wrong words in my first post.

What you quoted was from that post.

What I was getting at is the “others affect your life” part of that. The fact your boss made a choice to fire you was a choice he had to make because of your actions – you and your actions are the root cause of the issue, not your boss.

Yes, but it was a choice he made because of the way you acted. His roads crossed yours, and that is the cause of that. Had he not accepted you to work for him, he would not have been able to fire you. Even if he fire you because of the way you act, it is a choice he make. I did not state that it is not your fault. I said that it is a u-turn. That is, a sudden change for better or worse.

How can you give an example and then be upset that I extrapolated on it? “It was just an example, not something you were really supposed to put thought into,” is how this comes across to me. (Sidenote: I wiggled my toes when I read this.)

Because the example was just an example and not a practical situation. It was just a tool I used to explain my line of though in an attempt to make you understand. It was not a "If this happens, it will lead to this". It was simply a story, sort of.

It is not completely unknown that someone who snorts coke for a week will become addicted. It isn’t guaranteed, but it is very likely.
There are unexpected things that happen (just because something is unexpected doesn’t make it luck) along the way, so no, it isn’t certain.

You can't take ANYTHING for granted. The future is completely unknown. When you think ahead, it is merely a logical conclusion of a possible situation that might happen. It is something you hope will happen, and perhaps expect will happen. But it is still on ly your imagination and fantasy, even if its a logical one. You can't say that will happen if I do this, as you can't look in to the future. When you say that someone who snorts coke for a week will become addicted, that is merely a logical conclusion you have drawn based upon your own experiences and personal knowledge. That does not make it a certainty, nor does it make the future known.

That isn’t how I define luck. Below is more or less how I think of luck.

That was my point. What you quoted is the generally accepted definition of luck, which actually goes along with what I said, but is still against the popular belief of what luck really is. Let's break it down a bit, shall we?

1. the force that seems to operate for good or ill in a person's life, as in shaping circumstances, events, or opportunities: With my luck I'll probably get pneumonia.
2. good fortune; advantage or success, considered as the result of chance: He had no luck finding work.
3. a combination of circumstances, events, etc., operating by chance to bring good or ill to a person: She's had nothing but bad luck all year.
4. some object on which good fortune is supposed to depend: This rabbit's foot is my luck.

1. This I agree with, and goes right along with my argument.
2. This also goes right along with my argument. He had no luck finding work, as in, its the other people's choices not to hire him. His luck there depends on whether or not other are willing to hire him.
3. this also goes right along with it. A combination of circumstances, events etc. also agrees with my argument, as it is what my entire argument is based upon. Life being a network of crossroads and intersections between everyone's life choices.
4. Is only belief, and what people stick to in order to bring some kind of hope that it will increase their luck.

As I said, luck, be it good or bad, are where the road you're currently walking down in life bump in to another person's life, because of the choices THAT person made. If you, for example, walk down the street and a pot fall from the sky and hit you in the head, that would be bad luck. The reason it happens, however, is because someone chose to put a pot there, which later result in it falling down and hitting your head. Had said person chosen NOT to put a pot there, bad luck wouldn't have struck you there. Thus, your bad luck is the direct result of someone elses life and choices affecting you. Everything in life that affects you, be it good or bad, is not only because of choices you made, but also because of choices others made. Luck is simply the result of a crossing, where you walk over the road someone else walked over earlier, so to speak. Just to simplify it.

It is not your fault theoretically or practically. You did nothing wrong in the situation. There is no blame for obeying all traffic laws while transporting yourself from point A to point B.

It is. If you had made different choices in life, you would have not been there. I didn't say you did anything wrong in the situation. I said you were there because of the choices you made. By just making the choices you did in life, you ended up where you were, which resulted in that situation. I never said you did anything wrong.

Edit: You would agree that you're responsible for your own actions, no? Would you not agree that you thus are responsible for the choices you make? In that case, would you not be responsible for the choices you've made up to that point. That is, the choices leading up to the accident? Would you thus not also be responsible for the accident, as well? I'm not saying you are to blame. Simply that by being responsible of the choices you've made so far which have resulted in you being at the scene of the accident, you are, unwillingly, also responsible for the accident.

 

[Alyada]

YOUr STupiD! NO U.

Yeah, well, no amount of petty squabbling is going to make me stop being a debbie downer or some shit.

So.. yeah!

 

[Zaltana]

Yeah, well, no amount of petty squabbling is going to make me stop being a debbie downer or some shit.

So.. yeah!

will this change your mind.......:wink:

 

[Valandil]

I don't need God to be happy.

I don't need God to be happy.

I don't need God to be happy.

And the congregation said amen.

 

[Halifirien]

I don't need God to be happy.

I don't know how you can consider yourself a happy, moral person without Thor in your life. I think something happened to you that made you angry with Thor, and that's why you say you don't need him.