What a sad day (RIAA Wins lawsuit)

Trippyhippy said:
At $9250 per song, I would be charged $105,237,250.

$28,379,000 of that would be for beatles music alone.
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Sh!t, I'm at least 10 mil in myself. Like Myrrh said, ~200k is a bargain. Not that I'd be able to pay that anyway...



EDIT: Total price calculated at 11,969,500.
 
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Mr.Wonko said:
I had no idea anyone still used Kazaa...
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Well, it does take awhile for these things to get into the courts. I think there's still a pending case where someone made a wax cylinder recording of a Swan Lake performance without paying the requisite sixpence.
 
im kinda worried for a friend of mine who is a bit torrent fiend he has just over a terrabyte of music on his computer.

I wonder how many songs that is tho lol

or how much he would be charged
 
I'd be about $61 million in the hole. Why not do the right thing and buy all of your music? Becuase it's fucking stupid. Go to the shows, share the music, and enjoy it all the way it was meant.
 
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Ryuhei said:
I'd be about $61 million in the hole. Why not do the right thing and buy all of your music? Becuase it's fucking stupid. Go to the shows, share the music, and enjoy it all the way it was meant.
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This'd only be if you tried to fight it, like she did. Everyone up until now settled out of court, and were usually fined a few thousand dollars.
 
Ryuhei said:
I'd be about $61 million in the hole. Why not do the right thing and buy all of your music? Becuase it's fucking stupid. Go to the shows, share the music, and enjoy it all the way it was meant.
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Another answer to that "why not buy it?" bit would be:

Make a fucking album that's actually worth me buying the whole thing and I will buy it.

Last Album I bought was John Butler Trio - Grand National.
 
Man am I glad I keep my shared folder clean.
 
Ryuhei said:
I'd be about $61 million in the hole. Why not do the right thing and buy all of your music? Becuase it's fucking stupid. Go to the shows, share the music, and enjoy it all the way it was meant.
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because the only albums worth buying nowadays tend to be greatest hits albums.(and even then it's only well established groups that made enough songs to make it worthwhile)
because we could just listen to radio instead?
rebirth of the tape recorder?
buy mix tape CDs on the street corner?
the artists dont even get any of the money from the CD practically so it's not like you're supporting the artist.
It costs about $1 to make each CD max( artist is paying all the real costs). the $20 pricetag in Bermuda is a ripoff.
share ringtones with others?( seems to be popular around here to share songs via cell phones)
Even with the exorbitant fines being placed it's probably still cheaper to download terabytes worth of music which you can store away later on something like an ipod or flash drive instead of buying the albums that you have to waste time skipping past the various shitty songs or stupid skits people put in to waste time and make the CD look bigger.
peerguardian?
 
This is truly a sad day. This sort of thing is absurd, but those with the money get to make the laws.

For the (thankfully few) people in this thread who say "Oh just buy stuff!", you probably need to do some looking into the whole situation. The RIAA and similar groups want fair use abolished (The DCMA is helping them a lot with this), combined with absurd markups on media, poor compatibility, small amounts of money actually going to the performer, the list goes on and on.

There's also the fact that downloading media like this is often times less restrictive on a person's fair use rights than buying the real thing (Yes, this mainly goes into movies, but CDs have seen this sort of thing too), and any sort of circumvention of copy protection, even for one's own fair use is against the DCMA.

Add to that the fact that a lot of these lawsuits are against numerous John Does, with only a list of IP addresses and filenames as "evidence", and you've got quite a ridiculous thing going on here. Not to mention the "settlements" they offer that are more along the lines of extortion.

Big media is all a failed business model, and they're just using the courts to keep it alive. Rather than adapt to what the will of the people actually is, and making money in better places, they're going to continue to blame it on piracy and fight these legal battles until someone gives.

Oh, and kudos for the word "steal" not appearing anywhere in this thread. That is at least a little hopeful.
 
Garvin said:
The RIAA and similar groups want fair use abolished (The DCMA is helping them a lot with this), combined with absurd markups on media, poor compatibility, small amounts of money actually going to the performer, the list goes on and on.
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One of the RIAA execs testified that ripping a CD you purchased so you can listen to the MP3s on an iPod or similar machine is also "stealing," which made me laugh at the absurdity. It's fun listening to a business model dying a slow death like a dinosaur trapped in a tar pit.

I used to download a lot of music because I'm more of a singles guy and wasn't going to shell out a bunch of money for an overpriced CD so I could have the one song I liked from it. Since the iTunes store came into play, it's become a non-issue.
 
Trippyhippy said:
Another answer to that "why not buy it?" bit would be:

Make a fucking album that's actually worth me buying the whole thing and I will buy it.

Last Album I bought was John Butler Trio - Grand National.
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Exactly. That's what I'm talking about. You don't need to buy every piece of garbage you listen to just once, but if you truly appreciate someone's music, movie, book, art, etc. pay for it and reward that artist's dedication to their craft. They have provided you with something that makes you happy.

Not doing so is like sneaking into a movie and loving it. Sharing the moment with your friends... "That fucking ruled!!!"
And not paying for a damn thing.
While it's neato to skate by, you're simply unwilling to reward things that you really truly enjoy. Kinda makes you a dick.
 
Sneakypants said:
Exactly. That's what I'm talking about. You don't need to buy every piece of garbage you listen to just once, but if you truly appreciate someone's music, movie, book, art, etc. pay for it and reward that artist's dedication to their craft. They have provided you with something that makes you happy.

Not doing so is like sneaking into a movie and loving it. Sharing the moment with your friends... "That fucking ruled!!!"
And not paying for a damn thing.
While it's neato to skate by, you're simply unwilling to reward things that you really truly enjoy. Kinda makes you a dick.
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I simply feel that were I an artist, I would want my music to be shared and be interpreted by anybody who felt they could relate, not just those who have enough to throw down $15 every day on a different, overpriced CD. On the previous quote, how do you really know if every song on an album, or at least enough to make the purchase worthwhile, are good without downloading or sampling?

I don't know about you, but I respect a lot of musicians, listen to a lot of music, and I go to a lot of shows. It's my life. Unless the artist is independent, they benefit much more from concerts and merchendise than CD sales, anyway.

Don't get me wrong. Despite this, I try to buy what I feel is genuienly good music that was produced for the right reasons, but what's more important, the small amount made by CD sales, or knowing that great music is getting around?
 
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Ryuhei said:
Don't get me wrong. Despite this, I try to buy what I feel is genuienly good music that was produced for the right reasons, but what's more important, the small amount made by CD sales, or knowing that great music is getting around?
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Good.

And they are both important.
 
Artists barely see any of the money from the sale of their albums anyway. All that music goes to their label.

It's a fucking shame that the music industry is organized so that it's almost impossible to make money off of your own music.

Ani DiFranco is one exception to all that though. I like a lot of her music, but she never signed to a record label and she still made it big (kinda). Some of her stuff I like the lyrics more than the music, some of it, I like the music more than the lyrics. I have purchased some of her music too, simply because I know the money doesn't go in the pockets of some executive that probably doesn't listen to music.

Pink Floyd said:
Come in here, Dear boy, have a cigar.
You're gonna go far,
You're gonna fly high,
You're never gonna die,
You're gonna make it, if you try;
They're gonna love you.
Well I've always had a deep respect,
And I mean that most sincerely.
The band is just fantastic,
that is really what I think.
Oh by the way, which one's Pink?

And did we tell you the name of the game, boy?
We call it Riding the Gravy Train.

We're just knocked out.
We heard about the sell out.
You gotta get an album out.
You owe it to the people.
We're so happy we can hardly count.
Everybody else is just green,
Have you seen the chart?
It's a hell of a start,
It could be made into a monster
If we all pull together as a team.

And did we tell you the name of the game, boy?
We call it Riding the Gravy Train.
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And that's all it is to those people. A fucking gravy train.
 
I can't even recall the last bad album I bought. I bought some ok CDs, wouldn't say they were worth $15, that were kind of worth it. Still Dethalbum was well worth 4 hours and 20 bucks at hot topic for a cd. This is the only cd I have ever splurged on more than 15 for.
 
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