What did I do wrong?! (Lyrai)

[deathsvengeance]

Blood Pact alone does not deserve a spot in a party. Someone made the comment about Ninja not being able to hold hate as well as other tanks?

Good thing, because if they could hold hate like a Paladin, poor pally's would be out of a job.

You obviously have never partied with a good summoner before.

One of the best xp parties I ever had was like this:
RDM (me)
SMN
WHM
THF
NIN
some other random DD (I think DRG...)

we were constantly getting chain #5s and speeding through. Why? Because of Blood pacts, MBs from our SMN, and backup cures from myself and the SMN. She could throw Curaga mid battle while the white mage was hasting or rebuffing and I was enfeebling. I love summoners. They can main heal or backup heal and play support, either way, if they know how to play their job, you'll have a great time

 

[Cladius]

Blood Pact alone does not deserve a spot in a party. Someone made the comment about Ninja not being able to hold hate as well as other tanks?

Good thing, because if they could hold hate like a Paladin, poor pally's would be out of a job.

I believe Stouter said it best: "Rich Nin can Tank"

The thing about ninja's is that you have to focus on evasion gear and ninja tools. This adds up big time in the long run. If you want more hate when tanking as a nin you spam ninjutsu. Pld may be a more stable tank but in the right setup Nin's are probably the better tanks. I say this because it is more economical for mages to use mp for other things than just focusing on healing. That said I have had pt's where we were getting chain #5's + with my pld. I knew everyone involved and we had a pretty tight setup. Its debatable but in terms of tanking ability I'll just say my favorite thing to fall back on, Its all just situational ^^

 

[Firestreak]

You obviously have never partied with a good summoner before.

One of the best xp parties I ever had was like this:
RDM (me)
SMN
WHM
THF
NIN
some other random DD (I think DRG...)

we were constantly getting chain #5s and speeding through. Why? Because of Blood pacts, MBs from our SMN, and backup cures from myself and the SMN. She could throw Curaga mid battle while the white mage was hasting or rebuffing and I was enfeebling. I love summoners. They can main heal or backup heal and play support, either way, if they know how to play their job, you'll have a great time

Not to say if that SMN was good or not, but if you have a Ninja tanking, and a RDM and SMN, why in the hell do you need a WHM? Are you telling me a "good" SMN can't main heal a Ninja while BPing? On a side note, you know what else works pretty well...?

RDM (me)
BLM
WHM
THF
NIN
some other random DD (I think DRG...)

They can cure mid battle while the WHM is busy... and do 50% of the damage dealt to the monster instead of a shitty underpowered MB.

Now I consider myself a good SMN... and I have been in PTs that hit chain 5 with myself and a WHM... but you know what.. I also know that a PT with a tank, a main healer and a rdm / brd doing their job right can hit chain 5 every time without downtime without need the occasional stonega or aerial armor buff. As the only BPs we can consider useful for exp lower downtime(not needed if we got someone else healing) or create damage, we must ask ourselves if in totallity SMN are capable of outdamaging the BLM or even coming near to it. With weak BPs that can't equal a single nuke a BLM can do every few seconds, and with buffs like "rolling thunder" that when you parse their added damage are more worthless than a crappy attack BP... you might notice as a SMN who is use to BLM capability... that you'll find all your job has to offer is limiting to say the least.

 

[Anderithe]

I said that Blood Pact alone isn't worth a party spot. First thing I said actually... yet people missed it.

I've mentioned on here a few times how much I love a SMN that backup heals/main heals, bursts, and generally is an all around blessing. I've even gone as far as to say in a Ninja party I'd prefer a SMN to a BLM.

Not in this topic mind you, but I'll find links if I have to dangit.

My ideal party of all time has a SMN in mind. I just don't think BP ALONE is worth a spot. That's not what a GOOD SMN does though. Just BP? Okay, I'll just SATA. It's awesome, and it's ready every minute. Right? :roll:

*In case anyone misses the obvious again, that last bit was sarcasm...*

BTW- I'd say I've had about 7-9 parties with Summoners, and I'd say I at least 'liked' 5-6 of them. I've absolutely loved two of them. Better ratio then a good number of jobs I've pt'd with.

 

[Anderithe]

I never said Ninja couldn't hold hate... just that they couldn't like a Paladin. I could be wrong though. I haven't seen a Ninja with elemental staves and a blm sub yet.

I try not to talk outside my range of experiance... so yeah blanket statements make me a stupid poster... >_<

Ps- Eilistrae, that random DD you mention was a DRG I think. 90% of Darks don't bring a GS for the skillchain, and I think you would have remembered either a Samerai or Ranger. Did he have A BIG FREAKING SPEAR?! ;P

...little blue wyvern at their side?

 

[meeze]

I never said Ninja couldn't hold hate... just that they couldn't like a Paladin. I could be wrong though. I haven't seen a Ninja with elemental staves and a blm sub yet.

I try not to talk outside my range of experiance... so yeah blanket statements make me a stupid poster... >_<

Ps- Eilistrae, that random DD you mention was a DRG I think. 90% of Darks don't bring a GS for the skillchain, and I think you would have remembered either a Samerai or Ranger. Did he have A BIG FREAKING SPEAR?! ;P

...little blue wyvern at their side?

vorpal scythe rookie

 

[Rayn]

I first met Lyrai when her whm was lvl 50 and she needed some help with getting paper for genkai 1. I helped her and her friends get the paper eventually with the help of others. She was cool back then when i first met her and everything....

Few months down the line....

Awhile back I got invited to an xp party setup by a couple of my ls mates. The party wasnt ready and it took about 30mins to get a tank finally in the meantime a RL friend came by my house to say hi. Well I haven't seen this friend of mine in about 2yrs. or so and I've known him for a very long time and consider him a brother of mine. We sit down and talk shoot the shit for about 45mins. All this time the party was waiting for me to get back to go and xp. Needless to say the party booted me for taking so long which I totally understand and respect. I said over ls to Cloudxz and Tavjon that I apologize about putting off the party and making them wait so long. They were ok with it gave me some shit jokingly which I expect from Cloud and Tav (bastards ). Then I send a tell to Lyrai apologizing to her as well since I considered her a friend. LOL! She bit my head off... like all of it. Eh I can understand but I'm trying to apologize for it and she just continued to hound me for what I did. The major thing I can remember from party log and the tell log after I tried to apologize to her was....

(Cloudxz) Is Rayn known to do this to xp parties?
(Lyrai) Nope never done it before.

Now the tells...

Lyrai>> You've done this to me before by screwing over xp!
Rayn>> Then why in the party log did you tell everyone that I havent done that before?
Lyrai>> BLAUGH BLAUGH IM AN IMMATURE 15yr. OLD BLAUGH BLAUGH YOUR DAD PEE'S SITTING DOWN (or some shit)

Anywho... she was cool in my books but that woman has more issues than Sports Illustrated and not the pretty ones like the Swimsuit issue...

 

[Lyrai]

For all of you who said good things about me, thanks, I appreciate it.

For everyone else, thanks for judging me based on a few little things.

Ronith, I'm a liar? Never thought I'd hear that from you.

Sirelrohir, I don't remember your name in the least.

Meeze, Me? Spoiled? Hardly, I'm an only child who's shit poor. FFXI is the only recreational thing I have. Also, it wasn't a lie about quitting that day, I'd show you my marked calendar if I could. Not to mention other people that knew.

And Slizze, thanks for cutting out the parts when I asked you a few times just to end the conversation. I tried to be nice and not get angry, but you obviously didn't stop, because I don't get angry without a reason.

Call me names, think what you want, but I stand firm by my own opinions. I'm not dumb in the least, it's not my fault I might be a little fucked up in the head. Half the time I'm not even around anymore.

Generally speaking, I'm a nice person. I don't get in trouble with law or at school, and I help people from time to time. But you have to understand, I'm not perfect.

I've had some friends in this game since I've started, and some, like Equinoxs, who I haven't known very long, but who I have a great deal of respect for. Torque too, because I've had some awesome parties with him.

I'm more than aware of the aspects of different jobs, and I choose to exploit them how I please. With several parties on SMN, I clearly state before hand that I don't like to heal, and to try and find a WHM or RDM to heal *IF YOU CAN* If it's impossible, I'll swallow my pride and do what I can. I've done it before.

Other people should try to be a little more open-minded, don't think a job can only do one thing, unless it's clearly defined to be that way. I.E. PLD is clearly a tank, WHM is clearly a healer, BLM a DD, ect. But there are many other undefined jobs. Sure, SMN have a massive MP pool, but BLM isn't that much far behind.

Maybe if I was Taru, I'd be a little more prone to healing, but I'm Elvaan, second worst MP. Not like I don't try to make up for it, but that's besides the point.

Also, you're making it seem like I don't do anything in a party, but people who HAVE partied with me as SMN, know I'm not horrible at what I do. You think I just stand there with an avatar out, doing nothing, but I do quite a lot.

Regardless of everything, you've all got balls posting shit about me, because yeah, I really am sick of hearing it, ever since a good friend of mine posted shit about me here, but the topic eventually got locked.

My life is going downhill, you have no idea, but I won't post about it here, ask me personally if you're really that keen on knowing.

Maybe if you knew me, you'd understand, but I'm not looking for your sympathy, I'm simply trying to play a game to relax for a chance, but I guess I'm restricted from that as well.

You don't have to like me, or know me, or talk to me, but respect me because I am simply human. I'm the way I am.

Hate me all you want. I'm not going to get angry here.

But know what? Maybe that's my problem, most of the time, I don't ever vent my anger, and so what if I burst once in a while, most of the time I'm fine. It's up to you whether or not you want to know my reasons for anger, or what really goes on behind the scenes. I'm around, look me up...it doesn't take much to reach out to someone.

 

[Anderithe]

I only play Thief for SATA. Pulling, closing skillchains, kiting mobs, being a dd, I only do that when I have to. Not what my job was made for. :roll:

 

[SlizenDize]

And Slizze, thanks for cutting out the parts when I asked you a few times just to end the conversation. I tried to be nice and not get angry, but you obviously didn't stop, because I don't get angry without a reason.

If you Tried to be nice (Which didn't work at all) I wouldent wanna meet you when you are trying to piss someone of.
you said things like "Don't you dare say things like that to me" when I said that it was not strange how you got so little party invites and that would people would take as a threat and what is the most effective way to proove that a threat won't work? Don't fall for it ofcourse. And yes you do get angry without a reason... or maybe the reason is called insanity.

I'm more than aware of the aspects of different jobs, and I choose to exploit them how I please. With several parties on SMN, I clearly state before hand that I don't like to heal, and to try and find a WHM or RDM to heal *IF YOU CAN* If it's impossible, I'll swallow my pride and do what I can. I've done it before.

I still never tried to make you heal in pts as SMN. All I wanted was for you to understand that you cannot complain about Not getting any pt invites if you choose one of the mage jobs which get least invites to start with and then on top of that refuse to play the way people expect you to.
I'm not saying it's anything bad, if you are patient enough to get parties you might enjoy it but to me it seems that you didn't.

Maybe if I was Taru, I'd be a little more prone to healing, but I'm Elvaan, second worst MP. Not like I don't try to make up for it, but that's besides the point.

Yeah well thats funny because I've also heard being elvaan makes it impossible to heal since their MND suck so much it should be really bad combined with the job with most mp pool of all. Totally see your point.

Also, you're making it seem like I don't do anything in a party, but people who HAVE partied with me as SMN, know I'm not horrible at what I do. You think I just stand there with an avatar out, doing nothing, but I do quite a lot.

Out of curiosity if you do not use magic wth do you do in between BPs?

I really am sick of hearing it

Maybe it's time to understand that people see you as an asshole and try to be a little more nice specially when people try to help you which I tried with both with the summon issie and with the Carbuncle Mittens. I don't regret getting them for you but you should regret not saying a word about it afterwards.

My life is going downhill, you have no idea, but I won't post about it here, ask me personally if you're really that keen on knowing.

This is also very fun because in here you automaticly assume everyone elses life is all sunshine. Well let me tell you something... It ain't.
Many people which lifes stinks try and get away from reality and end up in games like FFXI. Not saying everyone hates their life because they play FFXI but your not alone about the "Everything is shit" subject.

Maybe if you knew me, you'd understand, but I'm not looking for your sympathy, I'm simply trying to play a game to relax for a chance, but I guess I'm restricted from that as well.

Maybe if I knew you?
See the sentence there when I don't want to stop talking because I DO NOT want us to be enemies forever? Well I didn't say that because I didn't want to know you. You made it impossible for me to get to know you so suit yourself and if your gonna relax in a game please don't do it through reflecting your real life anger towards us. That's not relaxing that's fleeing from reality.

You don't have to like me, or know me, or talk to me, but respect me because I am simply human. I'm the way I am.

I do respect you. Which is more than I can say about you for me, you didn't show me the least respect.

But know what? Maybe that's my problem, most of the time, I don't ever vent my anger, and so what if I burst once in a while, most of the time I'm fine. It's up to you whether or not you want to know my reasons for anger, or what really goes on behind the scenes. I'm around, look me up...it doesn't take much to reach out to someone.

Well you know what. If you want, if you agree, talk to me. If I see your point, if I understand that your life is so shitty if I can see that your a wreck and your feelings are uncontrollable. Then I will forgive you. I know that you do not need me to forgive you but maybe it helps to talk to someone sometime? The reason I get this emotional is because I've seen this so many times before. Talk to me if you want... I will listen.

btw I just realized I'm really bad at flaming people ; ;

 

[Lyrai]

First off, I FULLY understand why I didn't get invites on SMN, why the hell do you think I QUIT leveling it? I never once said "I don't understand..." to you.

And the fact that you call me insane? That's irrelivant. What if I really am insane? You don't know that, you wouldn't know what I'd have to deal with. And besides, that's my personal business.

Also, I never said I didn't use magic between Blood pacts. People that have partied with me know I have no problem BACK UP healing, but I'm not going to be a full healer. I don't have a problem debuffing either. Or Regenning, or tossing cures to other members of the party so the main healer can focus on the tank. You've never partied with me, so you can't assume what I do, and don't do.

And once again, I don't care if people see me as an asshole, because if they're going to be so close-minded because of one event, then so be it. Why would I want people that are so judgemental as my friends?

I never once said that everyone else's life is "all sunshine," I know plenty of other people who don't have great lives, but I do what I can to help them, and in turn they help me out.

About anger reflecting into a game: That's one of the downsides of an MMO, it happens, it's BOUND to happen, it's the nature of the game. Without it, competition wouldn't be so fierce, people wouldn't have as much of a drive to improve.

Respect: Did I say I didn't respect you? If I didn't, would I reply to this dumb thread continuously? I don't think so. I honestly don't do it out of spite.

I certianly don't need your forgiveness, I'm not looking for it, because I don't feel I did anything wrong by stating my opinions. Maybe that's one of my flaws, being TOO honest, but it's who I am.

I don't think I'll post about things that really go on in my life on these forums, it's not something I'd perfer that the entire world knows.

And one final point, don't assume my ignorance.

 

[SlizenDize]

First off, I FULLY understand why I didn't get invites on SMN, why the hell do you think I QUIT leveling it? I never once said "I don't understand..." to you.

So that allow you to threaten me? You think I started this? I didn't, you did. After I told you that sentence about you not getting invites You told me that I should not say things like that to you like your will were much more important then mine and what I thought about it was irrelevant because You wanted to whine about not getting invites from something almost impossible to get invites and the fact that you say that you know about it just makes it more stupid. What pissed me of was that you treated yourself so much more important then me.

And the fact that you call me insane? That's irrelivant. What if I really am insane? You don't know that, you wouldn't know what I'd have to deal with. And besides, that's my personal business.

Well if you are it definetly not irrelevant because it could explain everything and If you are yes you chould seek help and If you are you should talk to someone aabout it. Then again I'm not saying you are.

Also, I never said I didn't use magic between Blood pacts. People that have partied with me know I have no problem BACK UP healing, but I'm not going to be a full healer. I don't have a problem debuffing either. Or Regenning, or tossing cures to other members of the party so the main healer can focus on the tank. You've never partied with me, so you can't assume what I do, and don't do.

Well guess what I've been main healer for 67 levels and what you just told me if exactly what I do. I do heal in between BPs. That's all there is to it really. It's not exactly hard.

And once again, I don't care if people see me as an asshole, because if they're going to be so close-minded because of one event, then so be it. Why would I want people that are so judgemental as my friends?

Your the one being close-minded. You blisted me beacuse of one event. I wanted to talk about it and you didn't. Don't you try and blame me for Anything. I'm just taking it out in the light because actions like this should not come unnoticed.

About anger reflecting into a game: That's one of the downsides of an MMO, it happens, it's BOUND to happen, it's the nature of the game. Without it, competition wouldn't be so fierce, people wouldn't have as much of a drive to improve.

You sound like you think this is ok? Well maybe it is ok for you because it give you a reason to vent but fact it, people DO get hurt! The feelings of those people in the game are real even if the game is not. You will never have enough reason to make another person unhappy for your own good.

Respect: Did I say I didn't respect you? If I didn't, would I reply to this dumb thread continuously? I don't think so. I honestly don't do it out of spite.

First of all. Let me remind you.
(Slizze) Well then it's not strange that you are not getting any invites.
(Lyrai) Don't you dare say anything like that to me.
Where the hell did that came from?? It definetly was Not respect. If you say that you did know about it wouldent it be easier to say "I know but it still buggs me" or something? Or maybe you are used to get your will through by threats.
Second of all considering how you acted before and how you act now the reason you post here is definetly not out of respect for me. It's because you are trying to save your own skin. If you don't post people will asume that I am right so you basicly have to post something.
There are two kinds of nice people.
1. The ones who are nice because they care for people.
2. The ones who are nice because they want people to like them.
I'm not gonna say anything more about that.

I certianly don't need your forgiveness, I'm not looking for it, because I don't feel I did anything wrong by stating my opinions.

State Your opinion? What are you talking about last time I checked I was stating my opinion and you got crazy about it. This whole sentence is just a big lie.

I don't think I'll post about things that really go on in my life on these forums, it's not something I'd perfer that the entire world knows.

Understandable

 

[Saiyaman]

Ok i just saw this thread.

I think Firestreak is the best SMN known to this game. I have partied with him twice now and they were awesome.

I have known Lyrai since she was a lvl 12 SMN in dunes back in prolly August of 2004(just an estimate). We developed a friendly relationship. I still like the girl but she does have a problem with taking critizism. Even in that little shit party in dunes she flipped out on some other party member because the wanted her to heal. Did it in two consectutive parties.

One time i had the bittersweet occasion of a good friend of mine kreelo quiting. When he quit he gave me a nice load of goodies including a single Astral ring. I sent her a tell that night asking if she needed any gear. She said no. So i sold all the stuff to help out some friends of mine and pass out my fortune to a few other friends in greater need than I. (ended up being only one person because i was in serious need as well) She saw from the AH history that i sold one and she started sending me these "/tell of extreme hatred". She couldnt understand why i didnt just flat out give her the ring...... hmmm. This is just what i know of her, i still think she is all right, just a little crazy at times.

Sorry if i put this in kinda off topic.

 

[Sirelrohir]

Sirelrohir, I don't remember your name in the least.

Well, I remember yours and how you acted in the pt in Boyarda (sp) Tree. This is the only contact I had with you, and it wasnt a pleasant experience.

 

[Uzor]

Yeah well thats funny because I've also heard being elvaan makes it impossible to heal since their MND suck so much it should be really bad combined with the job with most mp pool of all. Totally see your point.

false =/ Elvaan have the highest MND =/

 

[Firestreak]

Maybe if I was Taru, I'd be a little more prone to healing, but I'm Elvaan, second worst MP. Not like I don't try to make up for it, but that's besides the point.

The same argument could be made for all non-taru mages. You decided to play a elvaan summoner, why not suck it up and face the fact that means not that people should expect less of you, but that people should expect you to push yourself further. It'd be like me saying as my Ninja I don't have the HPs to tank so I should just melee with my katanas and scoff at the fact no one wants to invite me.

You stopped leveling SMN: Good. Cause you sound like you suck at it. May I suggest you quit WHM too? Because with your second worst MP you are obviously too impared to main heal as WHM too. Why don't you flash and banish and occasionally throw in backup cures while a real mage(tarutaru only apparently) does your job for you?

I am sick of this debate. If you want to be a support job, play a red mage. If you want to be a damage dealer, play a blackmage. You are a healer, quit being pissy about it. Play your job or give it up. Don't take out your bullshit on good SMN who are willing to do the job right like Slizze. He deserves all those party invites you're not getting. I remember a year ago, SMN who main healed were considered "sell outs" by people like you who felt they were above healing. I'm sick of it. It's over, people understand the job well enough now so you can't bluff your way to 75 doing jack shit. Boo hoo.

 

[Lyrai]

For those who didn't take me seriously about quitting, this might have done it. I don't need this right now, I really don't. Very little ties me to this game, actually, only one thing keeps me in this game, the person I love. But you guys just really don't know when to stop. I'm in enough pain as it is right now. Embarassing as this may be to explain things, what do I have left to lose now? You've already taken my dignity and pride.

Lost a friend a few weeks ago, he died in a car accident, but I later found out he was drunk, and stole the car he died in. One of the other passengers(there were 2) bailed out and no one would say who it was.

My mother is going in for major surgery in a few weeks, she'll be bedridden for maybe 2 months I believe.

Trying to decide where I should go if the courts decide I'm to be put into foster care. Might end up losing everything. Might not even be able to choose where I go.

Failing school, might end up having to drop out, pretty sad when I only have 2 years left.

I'm perpetually sick from grief and pain of causing the mess with the social workers, Dyfs, because I opened my mouth to a counselor, my worst mistake was talking to someone.

One of my closest friends is off in a mental institution because they say she's crazy, and they say she's autistic. But she's neither, I've known her long enough to know.

Dealing with a not-so-pleasant father who scolds me for anything and everything. Even worse since I'm an only child.

I'm not crazy, I can assure you that, it's depression and anxiety, but I'm alergic to most of the medications they put me on, they make me so angry, my mother is the same way. I also have tremors, where I shake uncontrollably. I don't have many friends, maybe one or two that talk to me a few times a week. Other than that, I'm ignored.

Be glad you've done this to me, you've won, you've made me break down and cry and truely hurt inside because I try to be myself. Might as well just give away my account to someone, but I won't post here anymore, why bother. Probably won't have access to a computer much longer anyway.

And Saiyaman...you never asked me if I needed gear, never. You knew of what had been going on with Deucrobont then. You knew I almost quit then too. ...and do you remember where I had been off and on? Carrier? Remember I told you about that? Probably not. I'm treated like I'm crazy. And calling me crazy doesn't earn you any respect in my book. I could go off about several things about you if I wanted to, but I won't, I'm better than that.

So I guess this is goodbye, farewell, no one wants me anywhere, you've proved it. Tears mean nothing now anyway, pain means nothing. I guess feelings of others mean nothing to you either. That's fine, goodbye. I won't be missed.

 

[Darkdante]

Ya guys enough already.

 

[Darkdante]

I"m sorry Lyrai

 

[Sabia]

Be glad you've done this to me, you've won, you've made me break down and cry and truely hurt inside because I try to be myself. Might as well just give away my account to someone, but I won't post here anymore, why bother. Probably won't have access to a computer much longer anyway.

I'm sorry about everything that's happened to you but this is a load of shit, nobody's done anything to you - you've brought it on yourself. I've had an extrodinarily rough year also but you don't see me treating my friends and others who are kind to me like shit. It may be a game but those are real people on the other side of thsose sprites and you have no right to treat a sweety like Slizze like crap.

If you've got problems talk to someone about them don't use them as leverage to get your way like a spoiled brat...it's dissrespectful and a completely sick thing to do. Guilt trips don't work here because You're the only person in the wrong.

Nobody's made you quit, you being an asshole has lead to your decision because other's don't react well to being treated badly by others for no reason. If you can't keep your game life and real life seperate it's probably best you throw in the towel, for you and us.