What is this 1337 of which you speak?

[Panda]

You can have PCC for your Dragoon it doesn't help your WHM a bit. 2 semi-valuable items by level 60(not talking serket, vermillion cloak, ext) is all I'm saying is needed. WHM has it EASY there. You certainly can do better, with vermillion and serket and whatever, to become the best of the best, but I think Astrals by 60 is damn fair. LEVEL SIXTY! This used to be considered high level. 60 is when people stopped leveling and started working on their vermy cloaks, scorp harnesses, hauberks ext. I'm sure if you asked most of the wealthier board members here they'd say you should have astrals well before, but I'll cut WHMs some slack. But sheesh if you saw a thief with less than 500k total investment in all their gear any sane party leader would simply kick them on the spot.

Well considering I'm only level 59 and at 60 I have to stop leveling and work on my black mage and farm a lot more, than I agree with you.. but I'll be farming for a vermy, not an astral earring. Does that pass? lol..

Like I said, I think there is a difference between something like thf gear and something like 25 extra mp for a tarutaru mage. A taru mage doesnt NEED that extra mp. My taru DRG NEEDS the extra attack. I think they kind of balance themselves out that way.

What i'm pretty much saying is that there is a different between the types of gear that at thf needs to be the best at his job and a white mage needs to be the best at their job, especially if you take race into consideration. I think that any taru who can hold their own in a party doesnt need that extra 25 mp and can put that money somewhere else where its needed more. I don't know if you see this or not, but you haven't commented on it at all.

 

[Firestreak]

You are a tarutaru whitemage, and as such have a standard of a tarutaru whitemage, not a hume whitemage. If you were an elvaan dragoon would you slack on your weapon and say, "Well I'm still hitting harder than the tarutaru?" No because dragoon is a lower demand job innately than whitemage. People need whitemage more so you don't make this connection and let yourself slack. Now I've given WHM some leeway, and some damn fine leeway, considering I'd expect that level of gil thrown at a melee job by 40.

 

[Pony]

Mokk wrote: Lmao, now it makes perfect sense, fubs, still got them panties twisted cause i called you and yer friends out all of .. feh i don't remember how long ago, nor do i care. It explains quite a bit tho, get that tension out, oh great moderator. [end quote]

Now since I am accused of not letting things dropped, I had no reason to post here until Mokk opened the door (can of worms, whatever) with that statement above. If you see that as hijacking your flamethread, so be it. I didnt see you whining about Panda's posts.

I find it odd that here he (mokk) says he was "calling us out" or Cubs rather, thinking he was Fubs when on the original thread, he and Kyp vehemently denied that was what he was doing but merely mentioning our names in passing (to tell his little story?) which brings us to the reason I ever sent Kyp a pm. Kyp vehemently stating Mokk never named names. Attention: Neo Matrix whomever, I merely sent a pm pointing him to the page/statement that started all this crap in the first place. And if you would of bothered to go check that out, before your post, you would know he had already joined in the flaming long before the pm. So, your post was ridicoulous.

Trippy, what can I say. Is acid still popular? Do you need my paypal info for those donations?

Now, I already knew Mokk liked to hear himself talk but Kyp, you just took the gold on that one. That post took almost the entire page and I highly doubt many will take the time to read all that but I hope you feel better. When (if) you mature, you will learn that impressing people with witticism and cutesie comments will cease to be a priority in life but alas, this you must learn with age. Good day.

 

[Legomyeggo]

Trippy, what can I say. Is acid still popular? Do you need my paypal info for those donations?

When (if) you mature, you will learn that impressing people with witticism and cutesie comments will cease to be a priority in life but alas, this you must learn with age.

Would you like something to drink with your PKB?

 

[Panda]

You are a tarutaru whitemage, and as such have a standard of a tarutaru whitemage, not a hume whitemage.

In other words, you are agreeing with me than, that a tarutaru whm does NOT need the extra MP, while if I were a hume, or elvaan whm, I WOULD NEED the MP. Its based on race and stats. I would expect an elvaan or a galka mage to have THE VERY BEST EQUIPMENT for their job in order to do their job the best way possible. Tarus can function JUST fine without the MP.

If you were an elvaan dragoon would you slack on your weapon and say, "Well I'm still hitting harder than the tarutaru?"

AGAIN, my point was, the DRG, or THF, no matter what race, need that ACC and DEX and ATTK because they're going to need that stat with EVERY hit. EACH of those things affects EVERY aspect of that job.

My taru mage does NOT need that much MP every fight. I don't need that much MP AT ALL from what I've seen so far. I know how to manage my MP. I know how much MP i need to cast all my buffs and cures and what have you during a battle. I have only run out of MP on VERY few occasions, and that extra 25 mp would not have been enough to save the asses that needed saving by that point. I DO NOT NEED an astral earring. However, my dragoon NEEDS the best equipment in order to deal the most damage because its a CONSTANT throughout the entire battle.

People need whitemage more so you don't make this connection and let yourself slack.

I guess, dude. You've seen what I posted before about everything that I have for my whm and the fact that I had all my shit when i needed it. I still get the shit that i feel that i need when I need it. I DONT think that i NEED an astral earring, and if your only reason behind me needing one is that it will make me ub3r than I think this point is kind of irrelevant.

I don't have to talk people into inviting my drg because of my gear. I have a static with my dragoon. I don't spend hours looking for party. But I do have the best gear on my drg that I can have (save for the snipers that i am saving up for). If anything, I should be slackin on my drg and buffing up my WHM. But I really do believe that those extra MP are not going to affect my ability to do my job. I believe that the extra acc and attk are going to help my drg, because im gonna do more fucking damage. capice? The extra MP won't help my WHM with more cure potency.

Now I've given WHM some leeway, and some damn fine leeway, considering I'd expect that level of gil thrown at a melee job by 40.

All hail the mighty firestreak, who decides who is and isn't worth a damn in this game. Seriously, if all you care about is gear, or you care about certain pieces of gear THAT much, then you either 1. have a lot more time to play this game than i do or 2. really have nothing better to focus your energy on.

 

[Firestreak]

In other words, you are agreeing with me than, that a tarutaru whm does NOT need the extra MP, while if I were a hume, or elvaan whm, I WOULD NEED the MP. Its based on race and stats. I would expect an elvaan or a galka mage to have THE VERY BEST EQUIPMENT for their job in order to do their job the best way possible. Tarus can function JUST fine without the MP.

No, I'm saying that when someone invites a tarutaru WHM, they expect them to have the MP. Just as a elvaan might really need a serket ring, tarus need at least the basics.

AGAIN, my point was, the DRG, or THF, no matter what race, need that ACC and DEX and ATTK because they're going to need that stat with EVERY hit. EACH of those things affects EVERY aspect of that job.

My taru mage does NOT need that much MP every fight. I don't need that much MP AT ALL from what I've seen so far. I know how to manage my MP. I know how much MP i need to cast all my buffs and cures and what have you during a battle. I have only run out of MP on VERY few occasions, and that extra 25 mp would not have been enough to save the asses that needed saving by that point. I DO NOT NEED an astral earring. However, my dragoon NEEDS the best equipment in order to deal the most damage because its a CONSTANT throughout the entire battle.

DRG or THF doesn't "need" their stats any more than you "need" your MP. They are all performance increasers and there are always ways to increase the performance of any job. If you don't have downtime, consider other spells or abilities you can use to speed up the chain from the position of WHM. Can you have every single melee all the time? Can you spam flash to reduce ninja shadows? Can you erase every status affect immediately without needing to rest? Can you sub BRD and minuet the melees?

There are always ways to be better. You are simply saying that the DRG requires more effort than the WHM, because you believe the standards of WHM are lower.

All hail the mighty firestreak, who decides who is and isn't worth a damn in this game. Seriously, if all you care about is gear, or you care about certain pieces of gear THAT much, then you either 1. have a lot more time to play this game than i do or 2. really have nothing better to focus your energy on.

An opinion asked an opinion given? Sorry if the truth isn't to your liking.

 

[Panda]

like i said, this isnt an argument of how to be the best - its an argument over wether or not that 25mp is gonna have anything to do with my ability to do the job.

I guess I just don't care about this game as much as you do. Thats what it comes down to. I don't agree with you on so many things, and I think it just comes down to whos gonna put more effort into it.

I still don't think that not having an astral earring is going to affect my ability to do the job, and I think that you ignored quite a few points I made with one sentance brushing it off.

 

[etchdog2000]

What Panda is say is... lets say the minimum amount of MP she has left over during a chain is 100 MP. She is casting everything she can to increase the amount of chains and keep people from dying. This seems to be the norm for her. Is spending 1+Mil going to help her in any way shape or form? Say she does get the earring. Now on the norm she has 125 Mp at minimum during the chain. The earring is not enhancing the way she plays at all. Its merely a expensive piece of equip that she has now, that is all.

 

[Mokk]

Mokk wrote: Lmao, now it makes perfect sense, fubs, still got them panties twisted cause i called you and yer friends out all of .. feh i don't remember how long ago, nor do i care. It explains quite a bit tho, get that tension out, oh great moderator. [end quote]

Now since I am accused of not letting things dropped, I had no reason to post here until Mokk opened the door (can of worms, whatever) with that statement above. If you see that as hijacking your flamethread, so be it. I didnt see you whining about Panda's posts.

I find it odd that here he (mokk) says he was "calling us out" or Cubs rather, thinking he was Fubs when on the original thread, he and Kyp vehemently denied that was what he was doing but merely mentioning our names in passing (to tell his little story?) which brings us to the reason I ever sent Kyp a pm. Kyp vehemently stating Mokk never named names. Attention: Neo Matrix whomever, I merely sent a pm pointing him to the page/statement that started all this crap in the first place. And if you would of bothered to go check that out, before your post, you would know he had already joined in the flaming long before the pm. So, your post was ridicoulous.

Trippy, what can I say. Is acid still popular? Do you need my paypal info for those donations?

Now, I already knew Mokk liked to hear himself talk but Kyp, you just took the gold on that one. That post took almost the entire page and I highly doubt many will take the time to read all that but I hope you feel better. When (if) you mature, you will learn that impressing people with witticism and cutesie comments will cease to be a priority in life but alas, this you must learn with age. Good day.

Listen, grandma, i'm real flattered you think i never make typos but you're getting awfully stupid here. Don't flatter yourself or your friends by thinking i'dve brought that up again seeing as how i've addressed it twice now. You've been told and told and told you fail at this conversation. Get over it. I didn't get pissed at fire or panda b/c they actually are somewhat on topic and have the ability to get pissy with each other and still be somewhat civil and intellegent, two qualities you probably haven't posessed since childhood. Anyway, you and vang should hang out sometime .. make sure it's somewhere outside so that you don't bump your big ass heads together.

Do everyone a favor and go get some therapy as it's obvious the things that rattle around in your head are a danger to yourself and your children. Next time you'd like to have sadistic fantasies about myself and my friends i'd highly suggest you go talk to whatever man would think you have an ounce of wit to you and decided to throw you the dick after a couple 12 packs. I'm not here for your mental stability, nor your mindless ramblings about how i sit up at night and try to figure out who you are, what you're doing, and how i can next best get at you or your little friends. If that's what you honestly think you really should seek help.

 

[Kyp]

If *I* mature she says.. i'm not the one just saying "You're gay" after all.

You're saying i'm immature but I directly addressed each individual thing with the proper answer to your question before you just insinuated that I was gay.. and you didn't bother to read it.. but you know.. I knew you wouldn't.. I just put it up there so people who do take the time know who exactly is being stupid here.

Either way, the first name attached in the old post was by you, anyone who reads the post carefully will see that. As noted in the post which you didn't bother to read.. I originally thought it was vid.. but as in that previous thread I corrected it when I sat and read through it all more carefully. At least *I* can admit when i'm wrong about something.. it's a sign of maturity you know.

Also.. of note.. the only one that still thinks you are even remotely correct is you (and possibly Vid or the rest of your link group).

I don't know what Mokk might have done to "open the can up" as you say.. but there was no reason to insinuate anything about my sexuality or even involve me.. but YOU did.. so I responded to your immaturity.

Let the people decide, if they care to. I know who is being ignorant.

Everyone is born ignorant, you must work really hard to remain stupid.

P.S. You must get a lot of overtime

 

[Firestreak]

What Panda is say is... lets say the minimum amount of MP she has left over during a chain is 100 MP. She is casting everything she can to increase the amount of chains and keep people from dying. This seems to be the norm for her. Is spending 1+Mil going to help her in any way shape or form? Say she does get the earring. Now on the norm she has 125 Mp at minimum during the chain. The earring is not enhancing the way she plays at all. Its merely a expensive piece of equip that she has now, that is all.

So spam flash, banish, haste everyone, sub brd, help debuff... there are plenty of things a WHM can do with spare MP. If mages had infinite MP then we could fight mobs 15 above our level chaining nonstop. Different parties and different monsters require more or less out of mages. The ones with more will tap every drop of your MP and the ones with less give you a chance to tap into some of your lesser used abilities. To simply say, "I've got enough MP to be a cure-monkey all the way to chain 5 before I have to rest my ass, therefore I'm perfect" is not necissarily correct.

Another point... more MP = you can do less efficient cures with enough base MP to bring tank to full, then you can rest it all back because you've got the resources to manage more effectively. MP management is nice but having more MP so there's more actions you can take and more leeway to sacrifice MP for later gains is better.

Not to toot my own horn, but there are some players on this board who have partied with my WHM before. I'd like to ask here if anyone in one of my WHM parties has not only never seen me run out of MP mid fight... but has ever seen us in downtime EVER? Since the mid fifties with a shitty paladin who was falling asleep, I do not recall running out of MP EVER, mid chain or post chain. Is that good strategy or good gear? It's BOTH. It's having the MP resources to push the party going past that of the standard WHM, and managing MP all the while.

Now I'm not trying to lay down an ego trip, I'm just trying to explain to some people who might not really understand the WHM job that there ARE differences. People don't spend 700k for 25 MP because they hate having gil. Because the more MP you have the longer you can stay up until it's a more opportune time to rest.

Level 60, astral rings. How much gil by level 60 do you think a DRK needs to spend in order to be considered good?

 

[Mokk]

in with fire on this one, as any other race but galkan astrals are probably not neccessary and more MP doesn't compare to buffing the stats that matter to the job's effectiveness. Besides at higher lvls if you want MP why not just go with electrums?

 

[Firestreak]

in with fire on this one, as any other race but galkan astrals are probably not neccessary and more MP doesn't compare to buffing the stats that matter to the job's effectiveness. Besides at higher lvls if you want MP why not just go with electrums?

Cures cap easily for WHM, and so MND is not particulary much of an issue. There's dark and light staves, -enmity, MP and MP refresh. Vermillion and Nobles tunic are obviously too expensive to be considered standard, light and dark staff are so useful and cheap that you'd have to be a total noob not to own and -enmity is not available in the ring slots. Using astrals for example frees up a WHM to potentially use sapient cape or penitence rope to tap into the -enmity on them that doesn't cost 8 million gil like the aminity / errant cape. Except for even MORE expensive items like serket ring explain exactly what could be better for a WHM(or SMN) than the +25 MP?

 

[Mokk]

in with fire on this one, as any other race but galkan astrals are probably not neccessary and more MP doesn't compare to buffing the stats that matter to the job's effectiveness. Besides at higher lvls if you want MP why not just go with electrums?

Cures cap easily for WHM, and so MND is not particulary much of an issue. There's dark and light staves, -enmity, MP and MP refresh. Vermillion and Nobles tunic are obviously too expensive to be considered standard, light and dark staff are so useful and cheap that you'd have to be a total noob not to own and -enmity is not available in the ring slots. Using astrals for example frees up a WHM to potentially use sapient cape or penitence rope to tap into the -enmity on them that doesn't cost 8 million gil like the aminity / errant cape. Except for even MORE expensive items like serket ring explain exactly what could be better for a WHM(or SMN) than the +25 MP?

Right on, i'ma sit back and just watch this convo from now on, i got no clue on the higher lvl whm stuff and i'm a galka .. you taru's know everything

 

[Vid]

Mokk, Kyp, and Trippy it's great you brought the past back to life, but here's something to ponder for you guys

Seriously guys let it go.

 

[Mokk]

You're one to talk, you're girl brought it up based on paranoia over a typo

 

[Vid]

A typo? You mean a mistake by yourself, but you won't admit it, you're to much of a... well I'd say man, but I'm not sure anymore.

 

[Mokk]

if you'd like to know dark told me cubs was fubio after the fact of the TYPO, but whatever if it makes you kids feel better to think i keep myself amused by listening to your inane dribble that's keen with me.

 

[Vid]

I'm sorry you're how old again? You have a child if I'm not mistaken, and after you're done ruining their lives I guess you try to make up for it by proving your.... whatever you call it online. I bet you are either unemployed or work at burger king. Or was your other post just a lie when you said you were leaving the game because of your newly adopted child?

What you argue about on these boards is your business, but please don't neglect your kid. You're going to be one of those parents that leaves them in the car and they sufficate due to the fact you were online argueing with people. I feel sorry for your kid I really do, cause it's not their fault their father is incompetant.

 

[Pony]

lol I hit the nerve didnt I. Man he sure can talk nasty when he's pissed.

I'd like to know how accusing Cubswoo of being Fubio turned into a typo? That's rich. No, that's typical.

All and all, all this bantering with you and the insults you little pissants throw was TOTALLY worth it. Seeing Mokk squirm like a little girl wetting her panties, crying spank Colbwa, spank Colbwa, he's the bad boy and getting his ass handed to him by Vang and Cubs.

It's been fun and I thank you for making my workday pass filled with amusement.