What SE did to Bsts

Fonzy said:
lol, you don't get it. If you just want to party BST, that is fine, noone says you can't, and those stats are impressive. My best guess is you sacrificed accuracy to get the huge attack stats, cause believe it or not, BST has low base strength for a melee. I don't know why you even care about the nerf since you just want to party anyways.
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ACC isn't that important these days, buddy.

The fact is, without gear and/or sub, we have no attack traits or abilities, we have low base strength, we get no accuracy +, we are a WAR, without double attack, lower strength, lower vitality, no berserk no agressor, no warcry, etc. we have an A- in axe, that is only viable weapon we have until level 75 and Spiral hell, that we don't dare duel wield for a party cause then we sacrifice attack enhancements gained from other subjobs.
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No abilities? You know what Call Beast does? You may think they suck, but a boost in damage output, no matter how small, is still a boost in damage output. You're not the only job that doesn't have native offense abilities. Look at Ninja. And to a lesser extent, Dragoon. Those two jobs hold their own in a pt with just subjob abilities, and so does BST.

Our only strength is finding a decent or even match pet to use in party. and if we do we may have to worry about it agroing or linking after leave. Dieing and replacing if that happens.
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Not so much. Seems to me you're just ignorant in the party-side of Beastmaster

Despite what you guys or SE says, it is clearly obvious this is not a party job. We are the sum of our pets, just try soloing an EP without them and you'll understand.
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No one knows the absolute true role but Square. They over look a lot. Maybe BST wasn't designed to solo, but it just turned out that way, like Ninja Tanking. Yours isn't the only job that can't solo an EP without help, don't play the pity card as an excuse for a severance. A BST without a pet can still add moderate damage to a PT. With one, charmed or jug, is just more damage. Arguing against that without any obvious experience in that setting just shows us that you are, indeed, ignorant to what a BST can offer a party(And one of those that other BST loathe for ignoring that side of the job.)

Insult me, say what you guys want, it doesn't change the fact that this job has been ruined by a rediculous update that didn't need to happen
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No one argued that, geez.
 
First off, I'm glad people are actually talking about this, I've had to explain it to so many non-bsts that frankly had no clue.

Secondly, I havent read this whole thread just some of the beggining and end, I must say the main difference b/t rng nerf and bst nerf is a few things. First off RNG nerf was blatant, SE decided the job was too strong and nerfed it, whether or not that may is true the fact still stands: people invite rangers, rangers still are able to level, maybe not as easily as before (aka fast ticket to 75, i'm not hating on rangers that play the job because they love the job, just those willing to spam arrows to get to a higher lvl), BST in a pt is consistently misunderstood and for the most part unknown, a huge disadvantage. People hardly ever pt with bsts, to them they have no incentive to change, unless someone gets some results and the info is proliferated quickly.

Thirdly, I want to know if a BST post 55 or so could parse a pt with them in it with decent gear etc. to see the results. W/ pet, w/o pet and w/ a good jug.

I just dinged 37 today, I skilled up scythe for the first half and soloed the second half in exp situation. I went to Bibiki Bay before the ferry. It is about a 3-4 block zone. I was able to get to chain 2's, these chains were only possible because luck with mob lvls, and an EM Raven I was able to have not depop, pretty much every other pet i used and left depopped....in a 3-4 block area. I had only had leave for about a level, could pull in about 3k and hour, I was able to get about 1.5k an hour which was good exp pre leave pretty much. Higher up, zones are different, there is more exp to be had to level and that speed doesnt cut it.

I'm pissed off, but I'm still playing BST I dont care if I have to pt every once in a while or my exp sucks, its the funnest job I've played in this game. Why I am pissed is I really want to experience end game content with this job, and thats just that farther off.

My favorite comment about the nerf so far concerning bst: "BST didnt get hurt, they are a partiable job now" - some guy on blue gartr forums.

On a side note, this is more for shits, and out of spite to SE, but I'm looking for any bsts between the 36-40 range who want to try a BST cannon, just to see what happens lol.
 
EDIT: On the MPK thing. Gilsellers MPK all the time, why not just ban them, oh wait....its SE. Some shitty people who play BST job MPK and zomg they are the evil SE must nerf.

Another solution other than no aggro till it gets home, which I must say just seems straight obvious, is at least have it repop as the same mob. Consistently my EM pets convert to DC when left > depop > repop. This would at least keep some EM pets around.
 
This probably wasn't their intention, and should get fixed in someway. And if it doesn't, I don't give a shit, I don't party with you guys anyway. That's a joke btw.

In all seriousness, there's a slight possibility they might mess around with it. These updates aren't technically permanent.
 
Miros said:
Read through about half of these, but have to run to take an exam.

Gonna say, what they did to BSTs hurts them, but doesn't kill them completely. If you truly love the job you will find a place that will suit your level. Or you can even take up duoing, which many people did even before this patch. In every place I xped up to 74, the pets have been relatively close to eachother...all the time. So just keep looking. Don't give up, it can still be done.

And some are right, remember the days of 1-35.

However dark the cloud, there's always a silver lining.

Just do what you have to do. No apologies, no excuses, no regrets.
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This has been the first thing I've read that really makes me feel better about this.

I cheer on the BST that truly love their job. :bb:
 
for everyone that said "it wasn't intentional", i don't believe that! if it wasn't intentional, they why did they take off the -30% exp from jug pets?
 
Skaw said:
ACC isn't that important these days, buddy.



No abilities? You know what Call Beast does? You may think they suck, but a boost in damage output, no matter how small, is still a boost in damage output. You're not the only job that doesn't have native offense abilities. Look at Ninja. And to a lesser extent, Dragoon. Those two jobs hold their own in a pt with just subjob abilities, and so does BST.



Not so much. Seems to me you're just ignorant in the party-side of Beastmaster



No one knows the absolute true role but Square. They over look a lot. Maybe BST wasn't designed to solo, but it just turned out that way, like Ninja Tanking. Yours isn't the only job that can't solo an EP without help, don't play the pity card as an excuse for a severance. A BST without a pet can still add moderate damage to a PT. With one, charmed or jug, is just more damage. Arguing against that without any obvious experience in that setting just shows us that you are, indeed, ignorant to what a BST can offer a party(And one of those that other BST loathe for ignoring that side of the job.)



No one argued that, geez.
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shaw your looking at this to small. The last thing we need is another dd.
We got 7 dd and about 40 to 50% are siting 4-48 hours waiting for a tank/healer/mana healer to get on. If you include bst in this formala you going to have even more people looking for group <most likely about 98% of the bst>:nono: no defently something we dont want. This what i keep saying about range, they all look at a small picture never the bigger one.:rtfm: equallity and balance is something that needs to be keeped. rng having amazing acc and doing 2to 3k dmg ws on a it+++ mob is not equal. rng being able to stand point blank meleeing and gaining amazing tp is not equal. Now did they take alittle to much range acc away maybe. Though if you look at some the other jobs they not that acc either. Now you have blm they do amazing dmg, the diffents is though if that mob get close enough to hit them there done. Though if they keep as they are sooner or later there going wake up to the nerf fairy as well, my guess theyed lessen spell intruption rate and posibly magic acc.

:jester: I hate to say i told yo so but I did. They tryed to make it so that people dont get mpk and there still people mpking and there are loop hole and error with the system. The whole walking back thing would not work either, this is not WoW the enviorment the play style are completely diffent.

ps think youfor bring back the faces:106:
 
thank you for bring back the faces:crazy:
 
chinis said:
for everyone that said "it wasn't intentional", i don't believe that! if it wasn't intentional, they why did they take off the -30% exp from jug pets?
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SE knew what they were doing, to think otherwise is naive. Almost seems as if they've been building up to this for a little bit, with the new jug pets in the last patch, and the greater availibilty of jug pet synth items in this patch. It looks almost like they want to take charm away from bst, but can't, so they're just making it worthless.
 
Maybe BST can be effective DDs in parties with the proper gear. The thing is - a lot of them don't have the time or the patience for it, otherwise they would have leveled a more traditional DD class. A lot of BSTs will tell you they started the job because it's the one that could best work with their schedule because they could start and stop whenever they wanted, no questions asked. They lose that in the party grind.

Duos and trios will survive with a rise in expenses. Solo...I'll raise you when I pass by on my RDM.
 
hellstorm said:
equallity and balance is something that needs to be keeped. rng having amazing acc and doing 2to 3k dmg ws on a it+++ mob is not equal. rng being able to stand point blank meleeing and gaining amazing tp is not equal. Now did they take alittle to much range acc away maybe. Though if you look at some the other jobs they not that acc either.
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Where do you get your numbers from, 2-3k ws's on IT+++ mobs? Even pre nerf, the only time you see those numbers is against weak to piercing mobs, and when they are IT+++ a rng would still be lucky to land 1/5 slug shots, because they would need attack food and double minuet to get those numbers. Even in that case, 3k would not happen, outside brd 2 hour.

The reason that people percieved rng as overpowered was due to cannon parties, where rng could hover around 2k damage ws's with double minuet/attack food/acid bolts/dia II/choke against VT weapons. Under those circumstances, what well equipped melee can't put up big ws numbers?

As far as other jobs not being that accurate, how many other jobs have 5 accuracy bonus job traits? It's what rng gets. Other melee get damage or TP boosting JA's and JT's, we get accuracy. Well we had accuracy, it's gone now, unless you wanna see rng going melee with thier big bad B- in axe without access to any attack gear.
 
Skaw said:
I missed a Yagudo Acolyte or whatever a while ago with Asruan Fists :(
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Ever miss 4 in a row and 6/7 ws's on a mob that low?
 
Stouter said:
SE knew what they were doing, to think otherwise is naive. Almost seems as if they've been building up to this for a little bit, with the new jug pets in the last patch, and the greater availibilty of jug pet synth items in this patch. It looks almost like they want to take charm away from bst, but can't, so they're just making it worthless.
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Take away Charm and I bet a lot of bst would quit, even though now it's crap except for a few cases. :(
 
Stouter: I think the move towards new jugs etc. was not in order to nerf beast directly, nor the current anti-mpk system. Imo it was to be a buffer to the switch in the system that would hurt their soloability. Btw, I'm lvling in Sea Serpent Grotto currently, besides the fact that my leeches cant hold hate from a taru, it been working out fine, but I alternate b/t three rooms so.....yeah.

If SE was bent on "bst is now a pt job, the end" they would have taken different measures I believe. Though I think if this is a move to get rid of BST soloability it is extremely underhanded, at least they have been up front about other nerfs.
 
chinis said:
Take away Charm and I bet a lot of bst would quit, even though now it's crap except for a few cases. :(
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I think a number of them have probably already quit, like RNGs after their deal. Hopefully good, helpful BSTs like Miros and Bogo will stay with it, along with up and coming BSTs like myself, Halifirien and Mattaru.
 
They're up front about this one. This was posted a few pages back:
Well people have started to post the convo logs with Customer Service Reps and the official response right now, is that no class was ever intended to be a solo class.
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Just because they patch info didn't come out and say "Bst is getting nerfed hardcore, you guys can't solo for squat any more" doesn't mean they aren't up front about what they are doing.
 
Stouter said:
They're up front about this one. This was posted a few pages back:

Just because they patch info didn't come out and say "Bst is getting nerfed hardcore, you guys can't solo for squat any more" doesn't mean they aren't up front about what they are doing.
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BS about bst not being solo job, if SE wanted them to be party, they would have given them some useful JA for party. >< Oh well, guess I'll just have to quit bst like many already have.. And sorry for quoting the thing, dunno how to do just one piece.
 
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