Why did I bother to report a Gil farmer?

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Osse

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I had a recent encounter that left me a little frustrated at S-E:

It began with logging just outside of the Grotto near San' Doria; I ran into a player named Deepbluered who had a habit of running up to spots that others were already logging at and hacking away with her hatchet. After this happened to me a few times, I sent her a polite /tell asking her to stop and explaining my reasoning in the matter. She was polite in return, but didn't seem to grasp the more complicated aspects of what I was saying. Despite her excellent English skills, I asked her what language she spoke, and she indicated "Chinese". Again on a hunch, I asked if she was logging to sell the gil online. She responded simply "Yes".

It was at this time that I contacted a GM. I relayed the story, and for anyone who is unaware, a GM can review your chat logs as well. The GM's response was that it was not enough proof of a violation.

Now in my personal experience, a confession at least merits some investigation. I can see the argument that her native language wasn't English and she might not have understood the question, but wtf, at least look into the matter. Her English was quite good afterall. In short, it seems that we will need RL video of gil selling to get a player kicked or sanctioned.

Finally, if there is anyone who wants to post about how gil selling is no big deal, feel free to do so. I have some arguments that may change your mind, but this post is getting long to begin with.
 
sadly, I can say that I am the Heir to the Moon in game.


doesn't mean I am...


I can say I sell gill, doesn't mean I do.

Its like in normal LS chat, you joke around, GM can't convict you on something you say (unless maybe if they ask directly? not sure).
 
yeah, i joke around about ppl that i know... and when we're in pt together w/ppl i've never pt'd before... i would go "[name] sells gil. you guys interested?" or "[name] can PL of for 10k gil a level" etc etc. doesn't really mean anything tho'.
 
I have reported people for doing things that I personally felt were totally in-appropriate, including one event where someone told me "I want to see you raped and murdered in real life, and i'm not joking". The fact of the matter is, those idiots ARE paying real money for their character, and Square-Enix IS a business. Square wants money, so unless this problem is affecting their business, they really couldn't give a rats ass about whats happening. Easiest way to get some investigation done - Tell a GM that "These people are making you uncomfortable while playing, and you are considering cancelling your account". Might get you some attention.
 
Nalyubuites said:
sadly, I can say that I am the Heir to the Moon in game.


doesn't mean I am...
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The GMs job is to watch for that sort of thing. If you go yell bomb in a airport you will get investigated regardless of the circumstances. I am not saying ban because of that response. But that would warrant an investigation of said acount. IE monitor thier gil flow, daily play time etc.
 
Although I see the logic of your arguments as to why a person shouldn't be banned at a simple statement (or mistatment) I think that Direwolf has hit the nail on the head. The GM really was uninterested in the whole affair, and that is what bothers me. I didn't expect to see Deepbluered vanish before my eyes, never to return. However, I did expect something more than apathy.
 
S-E still gets there $15 from these people who are selling gil online. They don't care to do a thing about it. It's pointless to report it to a GM. Makes me really pissed to. When I sit there trying to camp something for some gil and some dumb gil seller comes along with there PT and ruins everything takes teh fun out of the game. I almost quit a couple weeks ago because of them. So when it comes down to it S-E doens't care what they are doing as long as S-E is getting paid.
 
Fight the gil sellers back, only Idea I have. A freind of mine, Vatre farms in Delkfutts from time to time. When he does he typicaly encounters one of the Foxes, I believe Foxti is comonly there. Anyways He puts /follow on and does his best to screw with Foxes results. On a typical run Vatresays he can steal about 5-6 Dolls and an equal number of pots, and he gets most of the elementals.

The gil sellers are usualy multiple people on one acount and for the most part
lack a whole lot of skill. When gil sellers go mining/logging put follow on as well you can realy screw them up.

On a side note I only condone such methods against confirmed gil sellers, the Fox group and Angel group. Feel real bad for Foxygrandpa....
 
The whole gil seller issue really should be a big concern for Squeenix right now, the effect that it has on their economy can drive away a good deal of players who don't hold the brand loyalty that a number of their user base does.

Aside from the obvious sale of their intellectual property, being that gil does not actually exist outside of the Squeenix world and someone is selling something that they do not own the rights to.

Listening to their users should be a big concern, what with the number of games that will be directly competing for their users within the next six months, customer service will be what keeps FFXI on top or sinks it.

For me, the last nail in the coffin was simply the service I received, more so, the lack thereof.

The issue that Osse explained is just another example.
 
Many of you long time QCDN'ers remember I used to stand on the forefront against gil-selling. I always put in my .02 and even posted an outline not too long ago, in which you can use to help I.D. a gil-seller. (while not always true, most of those observations still hold true).

But now I feel as if the arguement is pointless. SE gives not even the hint of a shit about this. heres my conclusions:

1) MMORPG players are the hardest of hardcore addicts, few of us go even a day without playing, SE knows this.

2) They also know that even though the honest customer base is angry that they do nothing about these gil-selling pigs, as addicts, are any of you willing to quit the game over it? and if so, its only 1 account lost.

3)The only way they would listen to the outcry is if ALOT of people either canceled their accounts listing their do nothing attitude towards gil-sellers as the problem, or had a mass "no log-in" day, where every person who refuses to log in for a day e-mails SE and lists the gil-selling issue as the reason.

I prefer to make gil-farmers jobs a bit more difficult. And Im not alone.
Think of it as a "project mayhem" ala Fight Club. Use this Forum to organize and attack. If Beaudeaux is speaking chinese at the NM spawn all
day, take a crew of buddies in and camp the shit out of it. Use numbers to drive them out. The reward can be knowing you policed our server WITHIN the terms of agreement, and just maybe a nice profit to split amongst yourselves.
The key is to see it and act on it just as you would in a real life protest. Take action within the parameters of the law, and use it to your best advantage.

I also know that the awareness is working, some of them read these posts. How do I know this? A few of my "suspected" gil-sellers disappear when I enter certain areas, not many granted, but its happened 4x already. Not the NM hunters (read:campers) mind you, Christ himself would have a hard time moving them, but Jugner Forest however................

......................its a start :)

and to the inevitable "who gives a fuck about it, get a life" posters that this topic always seems to attract, move on to another topic to flame. This is a valid arguement that rises above the "my job is better than yours" mentality. For that I kindly direct you to:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html
 
:D I myself don't see what the big deal is about gil sellers. Gil sellers exist because there is a demand for the product. It's not like the gil they sell is counterfit. They seem to provide a service to people like me who work and can't play every hour of everyday. Some jobs such as Ranger and Ninja are expensive to keep up at low levels until you can make money on your own. They go out and farm what is already there and sell it to people who can't spend all day trying to earn it themselves..hell its no diffrent that a busy mother hiring a maid to clean her house. It's a service and this is just a game. I'm sure if SE thought there was a threat they would had done something by now. I know how hard core players feel though, Hell I used to bitch all the time about people you played Diablo II the Throne of Baal with hacked equipment. Now that to me is annoying. Hey as long as there is a demand for the service and SE dosen't feel there is a problem..why waste you time. Enjoy your came. 8)
 
It's not an issue for you because you're not trying to actually earn your gill. For the rest of us who actually work for the stuff we get in the game, competition with gill farmers is a major issue. I need 800k for level 50 and thanks to all the gill farming, it's going to be damn near impossible to accomplish my goal. I only play 3 nights a week from 12:00 am - 3:00 am Sun-Tues, so am not one of those people who have a lot of time to spend in-game, But I like to earn what I need...thanks to gill farmers this is an impossible.
You should try working for what you have in the game instead of supporting an industry that fucks over every one of the people you play with in game... :roll:
 
I can definitely see both sides of the issue, but I really have to say, yet again, that those who buy gil earn the cash they use to buy the gil. So the whole "earning" something is totally relative.

Other than that, there will always be sellers of vortual property, there always have been and there always will be, it's reality and there is really nothing other players can do about it. You may not believe that you are powerless on this issue, but that doesn't change the fact. For every one gil seller you follow around for a few minutes, trying to "steal" his kill, there is an army of others farming something else in the very same moment.
 
Oh Sculli, I know i'm completely powerless to stop them and am not even going to try. This however does not stop me from getting pissed off about the whole issue. There's no excuse for buying gil online, if you can't afford your gear and only play once a week, take one of those nights and go farm, stop making excuses and bite the bullet.

It'll get you the gear you need and stop everyone else in game from getting screwed over trying to get gear/gil of their own.
 
As a college student I have enouhg trouble paying for pizza, I can not afford the time to go out and get a job to pay for imaginary currency on an online game cause some cock are jacking up the prices ten fold. If I was out of college and had a real job, yea I could afford the 200 bucks to get some kick ass gear/high lvl crafting. For me 200 bucks is what I ahve to live off of for a month.
 
First of all I didn't say I buy gil. I busted my butt for all my equipment. So keep your assumption to yourself. I have RL bills to pay and to me it's stupid to spend money for something petty. I have a very good LS and we farm together to help peeps who have a hard time getting gil to support their charaters. It seems alot of you are more mad at the fact the gil farmers are taking away you source of income more so than the service they provide and that is your preogative. I have on many occasions been beaten out by a gil hunter But I have patience and instead of whining about it I put my time & energy into finding another way around them. As I said it's just a game and I enjoy it a such :D.
 
Panthrastorm said:
They seem to provide a service to people like me
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I apologize if I miss-read this statement. :D

I'm just getting really sick of constant competition 24/7. I remember when gill farming wasn't such a major issue - things were hard, sure but not impossible. You could camp an NM and it was fair competition with other players who needed the money/gill to buy better equipment. I'd usually shoot the shit with them and joke around...now you just get harassed if you actually end up getting the NM and it's making otherwise normal, nice players bitter.
 
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