Would Voke break PLD?

Reko said:
Now first of all you dont obviously give the tank 5 sec to build any hate, cuz if you would give it 30 sec into the fight, 1 big nuke is nothing.
So as far as I'm concerned, you lack intelligence as a player, or you just dont have you evasion capped and want some skillups.


And as far as tp gain, what he said was that a Pld/war, would get tp just as fast as a Pld/nin.
Because of shield mastery.

But maybe if you actually read something you woulda save both of us some time.
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I'm one of the first NA BLM to hit 75(2nd or 4th if you count NA who used JP Client), I've had countless different gearsets at 75 over the course of years, I've tinkered with 3 different subjobs, about 6 or 7 nuking strategies and my evasion, for the record, is 8 points above the cap. Disagree with my strategy, fine, don't act like a stupid, closed minded asshole because not every BLM has come to the conclusion that sitting back and debuffing is the best way to serve their party.

I cast blizzard 4? I get hate. It's not a boast, it sucks. My damage is spike damage, not DoT. It's not that I outdamage DDs, it's that my damage is combined into huge hate grabbing bursts. So what have I been doing for the last year? Subbing rdm, getting as much magic attack bonus as possible, casting stoneskin, phalanx, blink and chain nuking so I finish the mob off before my shadows are taken down. It works. There's no middle ground for BLM. You either nuke and take hate or sit back and debuff and try to snipe a kill shot. Sitting back, debuffing and sniping a kill shot is a waste of a party slot. When people invite me, I deal damage, and I'm not the least bit ashamed, and if you want to talk down to me you just show your own lack of knowledge in the area.
 
Reko said:
I dont think this discussion is entirely about toau exp pt's.
But speaking of which, bot blm and pld are poorly suited for fast toau exp.
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Blms can solo pretty damn good exp off Wamouras or Flans, or manaburn Wamouras for better exp than 90% of melee cannons get in the overcrowded ToAU zones that people insist on going to, due to the fact that there's 8 bazillion wamoura princes.

Pld makes a decent initial tank for a melee cannon if you don't have a brd, they can leech along without hurting your exp too much.
 
I only exp pld once every month or 2 when my buffer gets low, I merit on ninja because it's more effective D: Before I dinged nin 75 though I meritted a little bit on pld in toau, wasn't too bad, I hit chain 73 in caedarva and chain 7-10ish in bhafthicket (the mamools can hurt, radiant breath killed me a few times ><) this is with joyeuse, hauby, walahra turban etc. that most plds won't have if all they do is tank stuff. I still think I hold better hate on pld vs VT's using DD stuff and sushi though.
 
rhinegold said:
You make alot of threads, Rufus....><
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Yea but at least they are somewhat intelligent threads that turn into decent discussions.
 
You make a lot of threads that are "hay wut if se gave us this?" when they won't.
 
Firestreak said:
Long rant...
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Being one of the first dont make you one of the best.
And yet again, how you nuke is different depending on what you are fighting.

If you're in a cannon pt for whatever reason, the yes, nuke away and ofcourse you will pull hate.
But like Eulore I was talking about end game fights.
Because I would never in my life invite a blm to a cannon pt since they are dead weight.
And if you're stupid enough to go all out on a wyrm, god, w/e, you have only yourself to blame for messing up the fight.
Because I never said a blm couldn't pull hate if he so wished, I just said a good blm knows how much he can nuke.




Stouter said:
Blms can solo pretty damn good exp off Wamouras or Flans, or manaburn Wamouras for better exp than 90% of melee cannons get in the overcrowded ToAU zones that people insist on going to, due to the fact that there's 8 bazillion wamoura princes.

Pld makes a decent initial tank for a melee cannon if you don't have a brd, they can leech along without hurting your exp too much.
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In a manaburn... How do a blm NOT pull hate.
Thought that through?
Ok, so obviously manaburn pt's are not a topic in this discussion or?

Go ahead and invite all the pld's you want Stouter, it's not my exp they are leeching.


And, it seems alot of people have missed this little bit of information.
But /sea "whateverareaissuitableformylevel" is a great command.
You should try it before you go out to wherever you were last time.
 
Reko said:
In a manaburn... How do a blm NOT pull hate.
Thought that through?
Ok, so obviously manaburn pt's are not a topic in this discussion or?
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Read the context of that quote. Someone said that blm and pld can't get good exp in ToAU, this was a "can so." Yes it's a sidetrack of the discussion, but you're only furthering it.
 
Stouter said:
Read the context of that quote. Someone said that blm and pld can't get good exp in ToAU, this was a "can so." Yes it's a sidetrack of the discussion, but you're only furthering it.
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No, I said:
Reko said:
But speaking of which, both blm and pld are poorly suited for fast toau exp.
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As a reply to a party situation where the blm would pull hate off the tank "as the imp enters camp".
And that statement stands, because unless in a manaburn, blm's are poorly suited for fast toau exp.
 
Reko said:
And that statement stands, because unless in a manaburn, blm's are poorly suited for fast toau exp.
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And melee are poorly suited for fast ToAU exp outside melee cannons, does that mean you can't get good exp as a melee in ToAU?

Blm can get good exp in ToAU, your statement is still wrong.
 
Reko said:
Being one of the first dont make you one of the best.
And yet again, how you nuke is different depending on what you are fighting.

If you're in a cannon pt for whatever reason, the yes, nuke away and ofcourse you will pull hate.
But like Eulore I was talking about end game fights.
Because I would never in my life invite a blm to a cannon pt since they are dead weight.
And if you're stupid enough to go all out on a wyrm, god, w/e, you have only yourself to blame for messing up the fight.
Because I never said a blm couldn't pull hate if he so wished, I just said a good blm knows how much he can nuke.







In a manaburn... How do a blm NOT pull hate.
Thought that through?
Ok, so obviously manaburn pt's are not a topic in this discussion or?

Go ahead and invite all the pld's you want Stouter, it's not my exp they are leeching.


And, it seems alot of people have missed this little bit of information.
But /sea "whateverareaissuitableformylevel" is a great command.
You should try it before you go out to wherever you were last time.
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Man where to start?

First off, NM fights are NM fights. They are all different. You're just harping on god fights, where BLMs barely ever pull hate, and wyrm fights, which I'm sure you've never been near, and trying to apply specific strategies to more general terms.

Perhaps you dont know how the fuck a good BLM merits because you won't party with any BLM for merits, just "leech" off BLM ability to get your god gear.
 
By the way, you were talking about the only fights in the game where you could argue you were right, I was specifically saying I was talking about merits, and then responding to that statement by calling me a "retard" for pulling hate.

You're really clever.
 
hands down pld/mnk would be my choice, for end game HP is more important and u get a few HP boost + chakra which itself is based on vit plds main attribute and to add to that u get eventual counters plus attacks blocked and shield damage taken, adding offcourse the dodge ability, pld/mnk would own both pt do to attk increase and hihg hp. this would be the best sub.
 
if they added voke as a level 75 merited ability for PLDs, that'd not break em, I think. It'd prolly piss off a few NINs and WARs prolly that like tanking the HNMs but.. tough shit D: PLD was supposed to be the main tank job after all :P
 
Firestreak said:
Man where to start?

First off, NM fights are NM fights. They are all different. You're just harping on god fights, where BLMs barely ever pull hate, and wyrm fights, which I'm sure you've never been near, and trying to apply specific strategies to more general terms.

Perhaps you dont know how the fuck a good BLM merits because you won't party with any BLM for merits, just "leech" off BLM ability to get your god gear.
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Ok, whatever you want mr."I'm one of the first na 75blm, on quetzal, from my state, on my street".
I'm glad you know exactly what I've been near or not :)

And leeching off the blms on gods?
Ya, the parsers beg to differ.
Every god I've killed, except 1, I did most dmg of everyone.
Oh, and that time I failed, a sam scored #1 and I was #2.
A blm was found first on #4... However, I dont do gods with the almighty Firestreak, which would explain alot.




Stouter said:
And melee are poorly suited for fast ToAU exp outside melee cannons, does that mean you can't get good exp as a melee in ToAU?

Blm can get good exp in ToAU, your statement is still wrong.
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/sigh, just /sigh.



This thread should be moved to Good Times. Great fun.
 
Elleshar said:
hands down pld/mnk would be my choice, for end game HP is more important and u get a few HP boost + chakra which itself is based on vit plds main attribute and to add to that u get eventual counters plus attacks blocked and shield damage taken, adding offcourse the dodge ability, pld/mnk would own both pt do to attk increase and hihg hp. this would be the best sub.
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You praise dodge but ignore focus? WHAT IS THIS CRAP!

Also, the only time you'd get an attack increase is with Boost, but It's only 12.5% without Temple gloves. For one hit.
 
pld/drg for the jumps.
 
Pld using dodge... That's like a blm subbing thf for evasion bonus.
 
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