Wtf is with this CoP War/Nin & Nin/War Bullshit

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Devastatorprime

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Ok Im a Pld and Im just wondering why the fuck every one thinks Pld's cant be used in CoP Missions it's total bullshit. For example Im doin the Aquaduct and I was /anon and they thought I was a War/Nin at 1st.
We get attacked by Fomor party and i tank both the War Fomor and the Samurai Formor why you ask cause the Nin/War got beat down like a bitch and died. Then they grow some brains and find out Im a Pld cause War/Nin cant cast flash which I was doin. We win with only the Nin dieing.
Now we head to Riverine Site #AO1 and they decicde that Pld/War wont cut it for the fight and tell me to leave so they can get another Nin/War or War/Nin. WTF!! is that shit. My friends whom Im tryin to catch up to used a Pld/War on the Mammets and had Rdm/Nin kite the other two now, where the fuck are these "Much Needed" Nin/War and War/Nin at. Nowhere cause they are "NOT" required so stop being fuckin stupid.
 
Calm down. Yes, it's true that you can go through some CoP missions with a pld, but most people use war/nin or nin/war. A lot of the proven strategies are written by people who used nin's and war's, so you can't fault people for wanting to use a strategy that they know works.

Another alternative to bitching about it would be to just level up your war or another job.
 
How bout this the Pld strategy "HAS" been provin to work just like the Nin one but people dont care to see that plus If I wanted to go as War or another job aI wouldnt have ever bothered lvlin Pld. I like Pld that why I bothered takin it to 60 and War is still 30.
 
How bout this the Pld strategy "HAS" been provin to work just like the Nin one but people dont care to see that plus If I wanted to go as War or another job aI wouldnt have ever bothered lvlin Pld. I like Pld that why I bothered takin it to 60 and War is still 30.
 
Hrm.. i think someone's just jealous because they havent leveled warrior or ninja very high, or not high enough. It's not too hard to do you know. Learn a different style of tanking. There are reasons why war/nin and nin/war are used in certain fights instead of a pld. If you don't know why that is then maybe you shouldn't be allowed into these new area's.

Try leveling ninja, or unlocking it if you even have. The only time I've ever heard player's who are Pld mains groan and moan about the CoP prefferance of nin/war or war/nin is mostly because they really just dont want to level ninja. Well quit being lazy and level it. As a Pld main you most likely already have Warrior up to a sufficient level to be your sub till endgame. That lvl being 37. So go a few more fucking levels and take it to 40. Then take some time and level ninja to 20. Unless your just a damn idiot it's really easy to level ninja up to 20.

Once you do this you've got yourself set with a decent War/nin combo to use on quite a few of the CoP missions/areas. Nin/war is generally for those who've already taken ninja up higher and either have it as an endgame sub or use it as a main. You dont have to go this route if you dont want to, war/nin will save you more money in the long run and be just as useful. All it takes to be ready for these is a little time to level up some new jobs, gain some new experience in the game and grow as a player which will hopefully keep you from bitching about stupid shit like you are right now.

Plds, they are doable yes. They can work in these areas, yes. But if you want to cause more stress than there needs to be by all means go ahead. While most other people are relying on one kind of setup and are ready to go on that setup and then they see a player like you whom isn't prepared, they have to make changes and find a way to adapt. This isnt going to fly. Specially the way you make it sound. If you really wanted to get this done you should do it with close friends that will gladly make those changes in order to adapt to you and you should let them be aware of what job you plan on taking before you ever make plans to start a mission. If you don't have any friends.. blame yourself. Planning ahead is what gets you through missions.

It appears they had a plan, thought you were something else, when they found out you weren't what they needed in their plan.. they had to let you go, but since you were useful on the way up, kept you around till then. BC fights require some planning in order to successfully win. A Pld was obviously not what they wanted when they went into the BC. Deal with it or find a group that wants to bring a Pld. Good luck with that.
 
I said that, yes, you can do them with a pld, but (and try to pay attention to this part) most people don't know that. So maybe instead of just bitching about it, you should try to form your own party to do it. Using a pld, you need different members than with nin's and war's. So maybe the setup you had for Riverne - Site #A01 wasn't good with a pld tank, but would work well with a blink tank.

I've used several different party setups for that bcnm, one of them involving a pld. When we used a pld, we had a VASTLY different setup (3x SMN, WHM, PLD, RNG) than when we used blink tanks (2x NIN, WAR/NIN, MNK/NIN, SMN, WHM). Both worked well, but involved different strategies, but it was a LOT easier with the blink tank setup, and people would probably prefer an easier win.

Another solution, try PLD/NIN. You get the benefits of utsusemi, but you're on your main. Also, other people have leveled up jobs for these missions, so if you don't want to do that you can form your own, or just not do them, no one's forcing you to.
 
People are incompetent, simple as that, they think that by meeting the "cookie cutter" requirements they can beat it even though though they lack talent. That is the one thing I like about CoP, it requires varying degrees of skill and its not, what lvl 75 you can get to do it for you.
 
Yeah.. i started typing before there were any responses.. when I got finished. like 4 or 5 went ahead of me. So.. I wan't restating anything you said, it just appears that way. You beat me to it Baj with a shorter post. :P
 
Ugh.. wow, i must be tired.. my typing's coming off like WSM's stuff. >.>
 
I have all job jobs unlocked and No they didnt have a plan, we had no items and the pt was Whm, Rdm, Thf, Nin, Pld, and Mnk and none of them knew what the hell they were doin they were only goin off what they heard from the Mnk a the bought it hook line and Sinker plus I Used Rng against my will for Prom. Holla and Mea cause it's lvl 40. People just dodnt relize the Utsusemi isn't the only way to tank. Pld can cure themselve saving Mp unlike Nin's but Nin's can dodge attacks wow sounds like we're breakin even so i fail to see why Nin's and War/Nin are so "Needed" why cause they not you can use any of the three and get the same result ...a WIN and Mission Completed
 
On another note all the forums Ive read about the Riverine Mission Everybod has had Rdm/Nin's kite mobs while somebody else tank. Wow sound like War/Nin or Nin/lWar in "Needed". You can easily do it with a Pld. Thus it's bullshit that I get kicked cause they believe CoP requires Nin or War/Nin as a "Must". Which they clearly ar not.
 
seems to me you should be flaming the people that booted you, rather than the combo, i've seen people go with pld and get stuff done, if they were with you that far, they should see you through it. sounds kind of like a weak excuse to boot someone out. it was probably a friend of thiers that only needed that particular part done.
as far as what fits, i like sticking to the script, i also like lvl'n other jobs, even if i dont like them. i dont enjoy tanking anymore (i used to like it when i was war, then did pld) but i'm lvl'n nin for rng, and cause i'd like to be able to skill up all my one handed weapons with my dark so i can have them capped for most lvl's. its part of the game that some jobs fit into a scenario better than others.
war's could have a beef with pld about tanking in xp pt's, they were beat up on for the first 30 lvl's of their playing carreer, then all of a sudden they are viewed as second class dd's (which is not true).
so if a war falls in love with tanking, then he has to lvl pld or nin to be able to do it effectivley. these things go both ways and everyone has to adapt or get left behind.
 
Ok, you've yet to really say anything worthwhile since your original post. Yes, PLD can do CoP missions, no one has disagreed with you on that; but all that you have done is restate your original post like it's new.

As far as NIN vs PLD tanks, and I'm speaking as a whm here, I use a LOT LESS mp with a blink tank than I do with a PLD, regardless of how much they cure themselves. With a blink tank, they mainly need haste and any -na spells for status effects, but with a pld, they need haste, regen, -na spells and cures on top of all of that.

So that means I have more mp in case shit happens, which is always a good thing, because shit can (and with annoying frequency) does happen. That's why people like blink tanks for these, because they think that it's easier with blink tanks, that's all. That certainly doesn't mean that PLD can't do the job just as well, it's just a different dynamic for the party to follow.

All that you've done so far is bitch about how you couldn't get it done and the injustice of it all. Well maybe you should try making your own party for the missions, rather than just rant about how pld's can do the missions. Either way, it's the people who refused to let you in simply because they wanted a blink tank that's at fault. Don't group everyone together when it's really only a few people that are at fault.
 
This is a pointless topic.
It is like saying fuck everyone who says rangers are the only melees that can dmg Gods and Kirin...
Face the fact, SOME JOBS aren't meant to be great at a specific task!
So now, go cry over better issues...
 
It's Just that the first three Promyvion missions were done very easily if there were a pair of War/Nin's. If you had a PLD you suddenly realize the War/Nin can't pull hate to save the PLD. The War/Nin can take as much damage, or a little bit more than a PLD, Do more damage, and Negate the Majority of the damage delt by the Bosses. Sustaining 0 Damage means ) cures meaning More MP for when things could go wrong, and no loss of hate form damage being taken.

In the later missions, PLD do indeed work. But again. There is Issues with Dynamics that seem to favor Nin's. The Minataur Hits Hard, I really don't know I haven't done it yet. And It hits hard even for a PLD. SO when you can avoid gettign hit at all.. it is considered a favorable thing.

Try being a Thief, Drg, Sam, Monk, or War In any Mission... Be happy you are a PLD... You will at least be actively sought out for these things.

End game = Black mages, Paladins and Whitemages. Occasionally a Ninja, possibly a Thief as TH III Bitch..

Missions = Rangers, Ninjas, Paladins, Black and White mages, and Red Mages or Bards.

I mean shit... Just look at the Dynamis forum at your average roster... 10 Blm, 6 Whm, 8 PLD, 8 Rdm... 4 Of any other class until it fills. It's that way because that is what is needed...
 
It's Just that the first three Promyvion missions were done very easily if there were a pair of War/Nin's. If you had a PLD you suddenly realize the War/Nin can't pull hate to save the PLD. The War/Nin can take as much damage, or a little bit more than a PLD, Do more damage, and Negate the Majority of the damage delt by the Bosses. Sustaining 0 Damage means ) cures meaning More MP for when things could go wrong, and no loss of hate form damage being taken.

In the later missions, PLD do indeed work. But again. There is Issues with Dynamics that seem to favor Nin's. The Minataur Hits Hard, I really don't know I haven't done it yet. And It hits hard even for a PLD. SO when you can avoid gettign hit at all.. it is considered a favorable thing.

Try being a Thief, Drg, Sam, Monk, or War In any Mission... Be happy you are a PLD... You will at least be actively sought out for these things.

End game = Black mages, Paladins and Whitemages. Occasionally a Ninja, possibly a Thief as TH II Bitch..

Missions = Rangers, Ninjas, Paladins, Black and White mages, and Red Mages or Bards.

I mean shit... Just look at the Dynamis forum at your average roster... 10 Blm, 6 Whm, 8 PLD, 8 Rdm... 4 Of any other class until it fills. It's that way because that is what is needed...
 
ok, 1st of all YOU CAN DO IT WITH A PALADIN actully, u can do every CoP with paladin... and proof

smn-kites 1 mammet
smn-kites other
pld-tankes 1
whm-cures
rng-kills tanking mammet plds tanks
mnk- pounds the mammet pld tanking

simple
easy
afforidable ;)
every CoP can do with pld. BUT not every CoP can be done with Ninja
remember tht ;)
 
As a reply to Kirayamato's post I never said Nin's and War/Nin cant do it I was just stating that Pld can do just as well so there's no reason to be banished from CoP parties cause I dont use Utsuesmi. On the other note the Minotuar hits like a bitch I Pld tanked him better then the Nin in our pt. The Minotuar is a joke.

Thus no Im not saying fuck Nins and War/Nin (Cause I work off a Brd Vs Rdm therory for the Tank in an exp Pt) Im just saying that people need to stop looking at them as the "Only" option.
 
Part of being good at a job is recognizing its weaknesses as well as its strengths. Paladins CAN work at all stages, as can Nin. However for certain missions one = a much higher probability of success. Paladin's greatest strength over WAR/NIN is not ability to take damage, it's ability to hold hate. In most BCs holding hate is not an issue. Hence ninja is more useful because you can blink away more hits. If you want to be Paladin for the missions, which I don't suggest, simply use lots and lots of Hi Potions to negate the damage.
To say PLD is possible is true,, but to say they're just as good is flat out wrong.
The problem is unfortunately as a Paladin you've been pampered leveling, because tanks are so high demand for everything, it's given you an ego about your job. But to someone trying to get a mission done, the only thing that matters if victory. You can either bring it or you can't.
So suck it up, you have to level your WAR to 37 anyway for sub, just level it to 40 and live with it.
 
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