I would point out some math on the subjobs for whm. Been a while since i comapred them so here is what i remembered round about. rdm gives maybe 120~140 mp. Blm is 140~160, smn is 160~180. So just on the mp return /blm or /smn would be about a cure 5 and cure 3. So this is why at low levels a mage sub really is not as big as it would be at 60+. As for this whm being /monk No one had a big complaint in party about the sub other than no tractor. I have seen players with teh right gear, right subjob, everythign that would scream they should be good....and they blow big time. you know the negative exp per hour crap. Maybe this whm did not like blm or rdm. I know I have had whms that did not have blm sub because they did not like the job. Just because everyone else says a certain subjob is a must does not mean everyone agrees. If you do not like the subjob leave the party.