You don't have to cheat to be sucessfull at end game!!!

Elemmire said:
people were banned for just using windower so that doesn't necessarily say much.. plus coulda been harassment or something that was repeated.. I dunno what the case was with dowzer, though I do know he, at a time, was suspected of haxorzing (same with Fubio) lol.. it was odd cause seemed fubio claimed many KBs/Behemoths (or so I was told I had a lot of chat log stuff cut out to keep things that I need to see more visible). I was curious too but.. there was no real proof.. I even questioned he claimed to not.. he at least defended himself (and fubio defended himself too). Not defending yourself can be worse than defending yourself. Then again.. that was the only thing people were claiming.. there were no screenshots of them talking about bots (though yes, that's still not proof enough, I agree to that) so there was less "evidence" in their case than in chronicle's case.. lol

Well, I'm in the flameforum. I'm not supposed to flame people???? :D

o.0
 
Marajade said:
So, us defending chronicles, saying we know he's legit, is irrelevant?

Because I have multiple people who have evidence against me?
 
Bjornar said:
Well, I'm in the flameforum. I'm not supposed to flame people???? :D

o.0

lol, I guess.. I really would rather we had a board where things like this could have been discussed and not turned into a "YOU"RE GAY!" kinda thing >.> oh well *shrugs* In a court, chronicles woulda prolly been cleared of charges prolly cause the evidence does.. well.. suck.. but most prolly would have unless there was better irrefutable evidence
 
Elemmire said:
lol, I guess.. I really would rather we had a board where things like this could have been discussed and not turned into a "YOU"RE GAY!" kinda thing >.> oh well *shrugs* In a court, chronicles woulda prolly been cleared of charges prolly cause the evidence does.. well.. suck.. but most prolly would have unless there was better irrefutable evidence

Flameforum sucks period! But it keeps this site alive, doesn't it?^^
 
Dowzer said:
Because I have multiple people who have evidence against me?
Chat logs from a known liar and hacker is multiple people against chron? Chat logs that can be faked easily.
 
Elemmire said:
In a court, chronicles woulda prolly been cleared of charges prolly cause the evidence does.. well.. suck.. but most prolly would have unless there was better irrefutable evidence
Wait for the news special:

"I didn't claim bot Fafhogg; but if I did claim bot Fafhogg, here's how I did it."
 
Dowzer said:
Because I have multiple people who have evidence against me?
You got banned by the controller of the game, wheras chronicles is just being accused by a jealous little runt of a taru.

And the only person so far to bring actual "Evidence" forward has been Necrosis, with his wonked chatlog.

The rest have just taken it an run with it, or simply used his apperant sucess at claiming a single mob in the lagfest that is DA.
 
Jereme said:
Chat logs from a known liar and hacker is multiple people against chron? Chat logs that can be faked easily.
I think he was regarding the screenshots of members of your own linkshell admitting Chronicles bots. Yeah, those.
 
Who has the highest claim rate over the last 3 months at behemoth, well fuck i dont know, but the RMT are near the top of the list before they got the heave-ho... and no one is going to dispute that they bot....

the only way to beat bots consistently is with other bots, and unfortunatly that means that succesful shells will always catch alot of flack for being sucessful....

Is it justified, it shouldnt be but, i think yes, no one denies that RMT bot.... so then how do you beat them consistenly?.... no one is that good

so forget faf/nid, look at behe/ulli and RMT contested NMs... who can beat them? thats more of an eye openner for me...

Unfortunatly, this game was made expoitable and so long as the PC platform exists it will remain that way, there is no answer, there is no player based solution, and at this point not even SE will be able to fix it. RMT will always level new Chars. (the new batch is already in CN, GC, Korokola. Jungle etc)

So its either bot and risk your char. or play straight and take your chances claiming 1/20 or less. Either way is justifiable considering the circumstances, and honestly? getting banned would do alot of people in this game alot of good.
 
Bjornar said:
Flameforum sucks period! But it keeps this site alive, doesn't it?^^

personally, I like the Off Topics section more :P
 
Elemmire said:
personally, I like the Off Topics section more :P

I'm starting to like the flame forum.. If I make a thread flaming someone
will you support me?? Will you join me in the quest for Flameboard pwnage??
 
I am glad this thread was made so everyone could put their feelings out towards the recent events posted on the board.

Ahhh revent events. I don't want to seem like I'm jumping on the quitting bandwagon here but I doubt I'll be here this time next year. Entering endgame for me was fun at first. The excitement of going out and killing stuff, sky, finishing both ZM and CoP was great. As I kept going in it I noticed a lot of the same issues and topics come up. Cheating being the biggest. I don't approve of cheating. I think you should earn what you get and if having to cheat the system to get something you want because greed is getting the best of you, I pity you.

I miss the way I used to play this game back when I still leveling WHM. I'd log on FFXI three nights a week to level with my boyfriend and two of my other friends irl along with two other guys we met and static'd those three days. When we needed gil we'd hold off lvling for a night and knock out some BCNMs, help each other with AF and limit break quests. FFXI felt like a game. End game isn't as fun as that, at least to me. I think one of the problems is the larger majority of our server has at least one job at 75. More LSs are made, more CC, people get on each other's bad side and ta-da we have issues. Most of the time instead of dealing with these confrontations in game we turn to the beloved QCDN to advertise it.

One of the reasons I think our server is ranked one of the lowest is because of QCDN. Now I'm not going to bash QCDN but I think it is a huge factor in why no one seems to get along. The reason isn't just the flameboard which I was really dissapointed to see when it came back, but the fact everyone is in each other's business. When anything happens in game it's posted here. Someone will talk down on another's LS which for some reason what so ever sparks a series of non-related context as people fight back and forth. Look at some of the better servers out there. Where is their QCDN? Nothing is kept civil anymore when it comes to these boards. QCDN isn't all bad. It's helped me make a lot of friends, find connections to events and LSs which I am very greatful for. QCDN should be a community board, not used as a court house every other day.

LS relations are terrible on this server. No one hardly gets along anymore. It's very sad. Between RMT and the current rise of cheating threads it's hard to trust each other and further hurts our relationships.

In a perfect world we would co-exist peacefully. In a perfect world I would love to see LSs taking turns on HNMs. We work out dynamis times using the boards I don't see why HNMs are much different, other than pop times changing, but that doesn't stop the same LSs from showing up at every camp.

However, there is no perfect world in reality or on Final Fantasy. Yet, the biggest difference other than one world being real and the other not, is that we control that false world in a social sense. We birth the greed, distrust, hatred and the cheating.

These are feelings I have been having for awhile with end game. Do I enjoy it? Not really. If things get more sour, cheating, rmt etc, I have no issues with hanging up my white mage robes and moving on past Vana'del.
 
Jereme said:
Chat logs from a known liar and hacker is multiple people against chron? Chat logs that can be faked easily.

But my screenshot from your member Ugotjacked, will hold no value?



Yes, I was banned by the controller of the game. During the time when they were only removing flee hackers.

No, I wasn't banned for having a voke bot.

Yes, I had previously been GM'd by Wolfskymoon for "fleeing too fast".

Yes, that GM gave me a 72hour suspension.

I quote that because I remember it like yesterday, no matter how much I denied to the GM - he kept saying I was using third party programs. I was guilty without a chance to prove my innocence.


Believe what you want. I have told my side of this tale hundreds of times.
 
LS relations are terrible on this server. I don't think many LS talk among
each other or deal with each other in a good manner. Rather, people resort
to flameboards where everything gets drowned with a ton of gibberish.

I really think there are other fora than this that could have been used to
resolve problems.

I personally don't talk to any other LS leaders on this server, the environment
is hostile with many LS leaders and their members having tremendous
egos.

I don't have any ego, I just know I'm the best.

^^ :D
 
Keep forgetting, that my posts are always full of shit, hell since I joined in June of 04" I have over 1500 posts, why would anyone wanna believe a word I say? Oh yea, i'm full of shit, thats right :D

Again since when have I named any names? point is, I don't need too, public outcry for justice will speak for it self. Like i've said many many many many fukin times, i've seen so much dirty play in FFXI, flee hackers, botters, etc etc, its just funny its taken almost 2 yrs for this issue to become the most serious issue everyone is realizing, but again, I aint no snitch, Keep up all that great work guys, lemme buy a Ridell from you guys so I can put it on my Mannequin kthxs?
 
Watchyourstep said:
Keep forgetting, that my posts are always full of shit, hell since I joined in June of 04" I have over 1500 posts, why would anyone wanna believe a word I say? Oh yea, i'm full of shit, thats right :D

profile thingy said:
Posts: 424

orly?
 
Watchyourstep said:
Keep forgetting, that my posts are always full of shit, hell since I joined in June of 04" I have over 1500 posts, why would anyone wanna believe a word I say? Oh yea, i'm full of shit, thats right :D

Again since when have I named any names? point is, I don't need too, public outcry for justice will speak for it self. Like i've said many many many many fukin times, i've seen so much dirty play in FFXI, flee hackers, botters, etc etc, its just funny its taken almost 2 yrs for this issue to become the most serious issue everyone is realizing, but again, I aint no snitch, Keep up all that great work guys, lemme buy a Ridell from you guys so I can put it on my Mannequin kthxs?

I guess I should round off my flaming day by a rude one to WYS, but I can't
partly because he is A, Tarutaru and because B, we had fun trying to kill
the Yagudo High Priest long ago (almost 2 years ago). We didn't win, but
that isn't recorded anywhere!
 
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