Zaevier and Whitelighter outside healing GS's @ Serket????

Forgot to say davio thanks for the tip, I now know that my first ever MPK attempt will involve the toad.

Lionsheart thanks for trying though. Your a little off base with your "facts". I had when I first joined up on QCDN, noticed some posts thanking me for some help. Some person there had made a comment about me which I decided to reply to. In doing so I made a comment about BOL, and since this was on the good times board they pointed out that comments like that are for the flame board. My first time on the board here so i didn't know. So I noticed a thread on the flame board which involved not only some freinds of mine but BOL.

The facts of what happened were posted in screen shots, I just like everyone else who posted in that thread, put in my 2 cents and said my view on the matter. Many of the people who posted there were not there when it happened.

You quote me as saying I heard xzy and then say I make it sound like I was actually there. Which doesn't make any sence at all. I mean if I said I heard something how can it be possible to make it sound like I was there at the time? Had I said I saw GBY wipe to Genbu, that would be a different story.

It is not much of a secret that I don't hold GBY in high regards. Mainly due to stealing of claims and common (second or third hand ect) knowldge of actions of their leaders. IE: the jin's being involved with gil sellers, sitting afk in dynamsis, getting an af2/relic item and then warping. Even after they stole cherry from ESP, S.M.G who according to some of thier members was suppost to get the drop, jin lotted and took the item.

During the long update I had the chance to hangout with a few of GBY's members, mostly ronith who was more then a cool person. Colwba was even there, so you know the discussions flew in that room. From gil sellers to gods, MPK's to GBY, ect. Not everyone agreed but whatever it was fun and helped pass the time. I mean even in my post about GBY stealing the NM, I even said I hope people don't look badly upon all their members based on their LS or what happened with a few of their members.

The facts or evidence of this matter are simple. There are none on either side. Only the few people left alive and who were standing there know what happened. To my knowldge, Meeze had died and wasn't close to where the battle moved after the MPKs. The spawn was over by the right hill, MPK's followed soon after. Battle moved more to the middle of the two hills. MPK's happened again. By the ending of the fight it had moved to the top left corner of the left hill, away from where you normally drop down the hole. By this time most people were dead and stayed that way until Serket died, or were healing away from the area waiting for weakness to wearoff. Where his body lay dead when I raised him afterwards, he had no way of seeing what took place.

So now it is just a case of he said she said, and after a conclusion was reached people still want to drag it on. You can harp on about the title all you want, but really doesn't change what happened. You agree with me, fine. You believe "my side" of what took place, fine. Honestly I could care less. Same as if you don't agree with me.

The only fact is that nobody will ever know for 100% just exactly what took place, or for what reasons. Hoshino, like you said you don't cure them during the battle. It is one thing to raise another player, during or after the fight. Whatever, no big deal. However we all know that the majority of the GS party who got the claim was dead. The reason they didn't wipe was because "Someone' was outside healing. That wasn't ever debated.

In the end a conclusion was reached, as far as I am concerned it is done. It was done and over with after it happened actually. One of ESP's members PM'd me and nicely asked if I could change the title of the thread, don't think I can so if cubs or another mod strolls through this thread maybe you can change it up since some people would rather focus on it then what took place. Maybe something along the lines of Whitelighter and Zaeiver outside healing GS's @ Serket????, would be more approiate.
 
Just a note, The trains they pulled off, Instead of going somewhere else and Escape or whatever, they zoned them all.

About 20 Uber-high lvl stuff at the Garliage Zone while i'm exping.

Our mage pulls magic aggro, Weapon uses Whirl of Rage, and we all die. Un-Fun.
 
Lmao vet you are a tool. When you make a post or a topic and someone agree with you no problem, when they don't however things suddenly change.

I was even big enough to say that I could possibly be wrong and hope that I am. However being there and see'n what took place I still haven't heard or seen anything to make me not believe what I saw.

The only person who has no fucking idea of what happened and who wasn't even there is you. Yet you come in here and make judgements based on whatever you choose to do so.

After all this is a flame board, I didn't know there was some sort of rule that I can only post what you like and what a majority of people agree with or don't. I was more then honest about what took place and how the next time I come across a dead ESP member I will think twice before risking my own exp to raise them. Like it or not the actions of a few members reflect on a LS as a whole.

Just as easily as you concluded I am wrong and have no idea what i am talking about. It could be said that based on the fact your LS members were there, got agro and pulled it away from the GS's. Left then came back, raised people and whatever. Then when they were questioned about it at the time either ignored meeze, and brushed it off. I mean meeze clearly outlined what happened and what was said when he first asked. With all that put together it is just as possible these members walked into a situation they knew nothing about, rightfully or wrongfully so helped the GS's and don't want to admit it for fear of people looking down on their LS or themselfs.

Point is what both of us had said could possibly be what happened, we will never know for 100% either way. It was done and over with long ago, yet some of you still sit here and try to bash me. I am not afraid to have people read what I have said or what white has said and make their own conclusions. I have not put down or insulted anyone other then those who do so to me in an effort to try and discredit what I have said.

You can try again and say I put down your whole LS by making this post, however it is nothing different then when your LS made those posts about GBY. Furthermore I have said that this may have not been the best possible way for me to question things and have said sorry for doing so. The outside reads who are not tied to these LS's even said yeah it might make them wonder but it isn't so bad at the start of this thread. With the exception of some trolls. You have your opinions vet, I was there. Nothing will change it, I will still have my doubts. Try to insult me all you want and put me down, still wont change what happened.

Marajade, I am sorry that this has effected people who weren't even close to the area and had nothing to do with them. Since I had talked to a GM just before Serket pop'd I said to the whole party not to MPK if someone else gets the claim. I can't control others gameplay or be responsible for their actions. MPk's happened and it effected you, so once again I am sorry. I personlly feel that zoning a mob like that, whoever did so, it extreemly rude. The worst that would have happened to them is that they would have died and lost 250-2500 exp. It is more then likely they would have gotten a raise3 and lost only 250 exp. It sucks that whoever did this had chosen to not take the small loss but to rather make others pay for it instead.
 
vang said:
1. Nothing wrong with a good MPKing on anyone now and then who crosses you.

2. When you are in a linkshell you are another face in the ls so you should be lumped as one whole unit. If one fucks up, you all fuck up.

NA are pussies and pushovers.



No arguments here.

Check out this video evidence of what Moev's JP friend did to us outside Ve'Lugannon Palace!!!!

http://artpad.art.com/gallery/?ijv8akw0tb8 (14.4 kbps warning)
 
Lmao ok that was just down right funny. Colbwa is that you? Probally just one of your names on here, either way. You had pics and chat log too which made it even better. I think the evidence speaks for itself, :lol: .

I just wonder who "my JP friend" was? I hate to admit it but during the update after I kicked you from the room it was less funny. Maybe people don't always agree with you or things you do but atleast they can't say you don't add flavor. Anywho thanks again for yet another laugh.
 
Do you actually play anymore? Or do you just post bullshit rumours about people all day? The novels you tend to write for posts is unecessary, especially since its basically the same crap regurgitated over and over.
 
Do you actually play anymore? Or do you just post bullshit rumours about people all day? The novels you tend to write for posts is unecessary, especially since its basically the same crap regurgitated over and over.

ROFL! :lol: :lol:

Def right there Mirewen, don't mind Moev, she's just a shallow attention whore who likes to repeat herself over and over again, but just using different grammar everytime. If you notice her posts, she obviously likes to camp this thread all day long with nothing else better to do than bash every LS, because of a few people she doesn't like. Then for more kicks and laughs, she claims that she "isn't" bashing a LS, but hince the title, and the contradictions she has against herself, and everything she says. Moev might as well write a book, with all that bullshit you love saying. Welcome to HNM's Moev, if your gonna cry about 1 single thing, I expect to see this flameboard in a mass with but cries from Moev, and the fact that she hates on everyone all day.

Obviously she had no reason to bring BoL into this flame, but yet she does.. do I sense a grudge here after something (that had absolutly shit to do with you) that happened a month ago. Go do something productive or go make some friends (doubt that could happen with all the finger pointing right off the bat, and that fact that Moev is "never" wrong lol) kthxsbai :arrow:
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even if ESP is helping gilsellers in doing this Thats probrably not even theyre intent. When all those mobs are pulled to those areas it makes it bad for partys in area other people watching the fight ect. ect.
 
Recieved some PM's on the matter, I decided to change it to what was agreed, usually I don't like editing on this forum, but I'll make an exception in an extreme case, thats all.
 
I don't like the tone of Moev, and I think his remarks are not backed up.

However, changing the title ruins the very essence of flaming her, members of, or the entire ESP group, or any other person.

It would only be fair if you change every single title to meet the defendants satifaction...

EX: Even though these topics are dead, why don't you change the flames that regaurd certain BoL members, but are titled as a flame towards the whole shell? Same goes for the couple of NH flames...

Perhaps moderation got out of hand?

Do you get what I'm trying to say? Moev made a jackass of herself partialy by posting that title, thus is part of why we flame back at her... Changing it makes it stail(sp?)...

My humble opinion of course, quite honestly I don't think it's a big deal, just think it's a tad bit unfair and biast.
 
I don't like the tone of Moev, and I think his remarks are not backed up.

However, changing the title ruins the very essence of flaming her, members of, or the entire ESP group, or any other person.

It would only be fair if you change every single title to meet the defendants satifaction...

EX: Even though these topics are dead, why don't you change the flames that regaurd certain BoL members, but are titled as a flame towards the whole shell? Same goes for the couple of NH flames...

Perhaps moderation got out of hand?

Do you get what I'm trying to say? Moev made a jackass of herself partialy by posting that title, thus is part of why we flame back at her... Changing it makes it stail(sp?)...

My humble opinion of course, quite honestly I don't think it's a big deal, just think it's a tad bit unfair and biast.

Amen to that, the title of a subject, relects the entire essence of a thread (meaning weither or not the popularity goes up or down), and flames in the past reflected on the whole LS weither it was right or wrong. Most people dis-regard reading the whole post/responces, and just skim through the post and only make assumptions off the "title". Also the fact that this flame isn't "that" big of a deal, and with no liable evidence, thus taking the "heat" off the author, because she came out like an idiot, while other flames in the past (weither right or wrong), are stuck with the individuals, because of the "title"

I think the flameboard should be just at "that", and as you said Pupusa (Under extreme conditions), well the only condition I see is an un-justifiable/false finger pointing (doesn't really count as extreme). But you are the moderator. I think the only thing that should be edited in this forum, is the deletion of (out-of-topic) responces, but hey im just a spectator, whos LS got called into this flame, what am I to say :idea: :arrow: :?
 
So, I am camping serket for the first time, 1 of are members says he popped, we run over <missing the voke> and start watching the fight. Then another member yells sneak up so I did. I have never seen such an area of dead corpses, cool. So we didn't get serket but, man if they would have served popcorn It would have been an excellent show. :lol:
 
xKronox said:
I don't like the tone of Moev, and I think his remarks are not backed up.

However, changing the title ruins the very essence of flaming her, members of, or the entire ESP group, or any other person.

It would only be fair if you change every single title to meet the defendants satifaction...

EX: Even though these topics are dead, why don't you change the flames that regaurd certain BoL members, but are titled as a flame towards the whole shell? Same goes for the couple of NH flames...

Perhaps moderation got out of hand?

Do you get what I'm trying to say? Moev made a jackass of herself partialy by posting that title, thus is part of why we flame back at her... Changing it makes it stail(sp?)...

My humble opinion of course, quite honestly I don't think it's a big deal, just think it's a tad bit unfair and biast.

Omg, it's a well thought out post by Krono without tons of forum pics :lol:
 
_Neosquall_ said:
xKronox said:
I don't like the tone of Moev, and I think his remarks are not backed up.

However, changing the title ruins the very essence of flaming her, members of, or the entire ESP group, or any other person.

It would only be fair if you change every single title to meet the defendants satifaction...

EX: Even though these topics are dead, why don't you change the flames that regaurd certain BoL members, but are titled as a flame towards the whole shell? Same goes for the couple of NH flames...

Perhaps moderation got out of hand?

Do you get what I'm trying to say? Moev made a jackass of herself partialy by posting that title, thus is part of why we flame back at her... Changing it makes it stail(sp?)...

My humble opinion of course, quite honestly I don't think it's a big deal, just think it's a tad bit unfair and biast.

Omg, it's a well thought out post by Krono without tons of forum pics :lol:

:lol:
 
thank you zaevier and whitelighter for the r3 x2.
it got hecked down there real fast was watching the gilsellers kill serket then out of no where someone train every weapon in the zone onto them :shock: then a ghost came out of no where was able to sleep it and was going to help a freind when a bettle argo me esp help kill thet but the ghost came unsleep and finish me off with quake ouch :!: zaevier raise me went to rest and a weapon came from behind and backstab me esp agian kill it and whitelighter raise me. so esp was not there to help gil seller thy where just at the right place at the right time to help. agian ty esp for the help on the recovery. on a side note even the flypanda from linkshell conspiercy was helping in raise the dead as well. so you flaming them because they where helping keep people alive and to raise though who died :x
 
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