Zanshin

Wow, this is so pathetic. The shell boots people who dare to have an opposing opinion about something, that's just lame. I'm going to side with Willian on this one. He's a really nice guy and if he got mad about something then something odd definitely happened. Plus from everything I've seen in person relating to Zanshin, they don't seem to be a very courteous or professionally run shell. Sky is bad enough without bad lses making it worse. :(
 
Antor said:
I can vouche for Willian in saying that he rarely gets pissed off, let alone make crap up. Unless you have any significant proof, it's just your word against his, and the story is in his favor at the moment.

Hell, he was talking to me on AIM when he got the party invititation, and I told him it might work out. No offense, but if a party invited me to go out somewhere and I'm expecting to get EXP, no, I don't want to kill/camp some NM unless it's in the way of getting more EXP. He has more than efficient means of making his own money on his own time - why would he agree to camp an NM with five seemingly random people (you can tell just by my signature that I don't have a job much higher than 60, so I'm not quite in the know of all H/NMs, so I'm assuming this would just be a money-gaining opportunity for him)?

How is anyone else supposed to know if you really saw the chat in /tells? You can't even prove that right now, let alone come up with any valid evidence that might prove Willian's story false. It's nice and all that you're trying to defend your linkshell mate, but it's probably better just to leave the talking to him and then possibly you could defend him further. I don't defend everyone in my linkshell for good reason (I'm not naming anyone), but I know good and well that Willian wouldn't just make something like this up. Perhaps there was some miscommunication between the party leader and Willian through /tells (someone zoned and it didn't quite go all the way through or something - that does happen), but it's a bit silly to expect Willian to actually be willing to participate in such an activity when it's more than likely that he was LFG to get EXP.

Also, might I point out this gem?



What are you so fussy over either way? He was under the impression that the camp was empty, so maybe, just maybe he was given the impression that you would be going there to get experience points. You didn't give him a definite answer, so you shouldn't even have expected him to give you a definite response. He went up there to EXP, your party decided to camp an NM instead, and Willian's only intention was to get EXP. I don't know about you, but if I was in that position, I'd just leave and find a party doing what I want to do. Just as Flameass said:



Maybe that isn't the most mature response, but I agree with it 100%.

Here, I'll change the situation a bit for you. You're Rank 5, and some linkshell is forming a level 57 party. There's five of them already, and all six of you happen to be on 5-1. You really don't give a rat's ass about your rank right now, you just want to level up so you can use your next piece of AF. The group invites you to party, and they tell you of some camp in Fei'Yin (I suppose you could fight weapons). You get there expecting to EXP, and they tell you that they know the camp isn't taken, but if it were, they'd do 5-1. You agree to go with them, and when they get there... suprise suprise - someone else is camping the weapons. Now, I know in this example that 5-1 is 50-capped, so it doesn't work out exactly the same, but I know I'd be rather pissed of some group took me to to EXP and then wanted to do a mission instead. Suppose they just told you to go in with whatever =<50-gear you have on (gimping yourself, I suppose)... the situation just now becomes exactly the same. If they don't like you leaving, oh fucking well. Tough luck, cry me a river, etc etc

You can exp while camping ulli noob.
 
Hmm. Maybe I can help clear a little bit of light on this situtation.

I was in jeuno thinking about setting up a cannon pt <as I had been doing all weak, I was just 9k away from 75> when my LS asked me if I wanted to xp in sky, so I said yes. After I accepted I noticed my friend Willian was in the party.
Well I OP'd there while everyone was getting ready and I got to Ru'Aun Gardens and I asked where the camp was gonna be at, they replied "Let's try the Ulli camp because there weren't any alliances in The Shrine of Ru'Aivatu <sp>.
So I go to Genbu Island go past Fasut and down to the Ulli floor. There was one other person down there at the time I got there./B] So I told them the camp was empty. Well I stood down there for about 20 minutes until everyone showed up. Cregue told us that another party had moved in and started xping on giants on the first room after the Telepad at Faust.
Well I say that If that's all that's there then we can still get a decent amount of xp, so we decide to stay at Ulli camp. Well after one fight a Japanese Alliance shows up and starts killing everything. So we move out to the center to try and claim mobs before them so we can get some XP, the Other Party moved when the Japanese Alliance showed up.
Well after about 30minutes of this Willian was pretty pissed off, and so was I, I don't like having to fight for xp mobs. Well when Willian said "I got an invite for an Experience Points party." is when all the BS started to start. The Japanese were claiming 2/3 mobs so our xp wasn't that great. About that time Elyssa shows up, and Odhinn says "Ok Will, you're replacement is here." I thought there was somethig said between the OP and Odhinn in /tells that I didnt know of.
Well apparently there wasn't, but there was the misconception on Odhinn's part because he thought Willian meant he had another party invite and was going to let him go to it. I /tell Willian, "You're leaving" and he said "Apparently, I am being replaced." The he says in party chat "Am I being replaced" and Odhinn replies with "You said you wanted to go?" <yes he said it as a question.> So that's when Willian said his whole thing <I don't remember the words but they have been said 2 times in this flame once by Elyssa and once by Willian>. Then he warped and said good bye.
After about 45min of fighting the Japanese Alliance we talked them into letting us have the non PH mobs. So thats when we started getting decent XP. we continues doing that for another hour- hour and a half and then the Japanese LS just up and left, so The xp got even better and we had a 100% chance of Ulli.
That is the whole story as far as I know, I hope it can shed some light upon this Issue and we can all move on from this.
 
Rappa said:
Wow, this is so pathetic. The shell boots people who dare to have an opposing opinion about something, that's just lame. I'm going to side with Willian on this one. He's a really nice guy and if he got mad about something then something odd definitely happened. Plus from everything I've seen in person relating to Zanshin, they don't seem to be a very courteous or professionally run shell. Sky is bad enough without bad lses making it worse. :(
Really..... hmmm. where did i see that happen before......
 
Blaze, you say there were no PT's in The Shrine of Ru'Avitau. So your cannon PT deciced to camp at Ulii. Well, if there were no PT's in that area, why didn't you just kill weapons at the main entrance. You would have gotten alot better XP there than at Ulli camp. I've gotten 10k/hour there before.




PS: I would try to fraps your comment from your earlier post, but I don't know how.
 
Bigboy said:
Elyssa, everything you said relies on the PT leader actually saying to him in tell what you said he did, but you have no means of actually prooving it both to yourself, or anyone else.

You can call Willian a liar, but Zanshin has more of a reason to tell the PT a lie than Willian would have to come here and lie to everyone here. It's not like he would gain anything from it. Ask yourself which is more probable:

-Willian decides he is gonna make Zanshin look bad and waste a bunch of time and some money getting all the way into sky only to say he was misinformed and leave.

-Zanshin doesn't want to look like an ass to the rest of his skyLS and tells everyone that he told Willian ahead of time.

what is this guilty till proven in innocent
 
hellstorm said:
what is this guilty till proven in innocent

Hey buddy, 1 person is guilty of being an ass, and 1 ins't. It could be either, but based off logical reasoning at the time, I posed that notion. It is however a fact that someone was in the wrong. Untill you have something to proove otherwise, zip it. The FB is here for these kind of discussions.
 
Antor said:
(you can tell just by my signature that I don't have a job much higher than 60, so I'm not quite in the know of all H/NMs, so I'm assuming this would just be a money-gaining opportunity for him)

Eulore said:
You can exp while camping ulli noob.

learn2read thx
 
Blaze, you say there were no PT's in The Shrine of Ru'Avitau. So your cannon PT deciced to camp at Ulii. Well, if there were no PT's in that area, why didn't you just kill weapons at the main entrance. You would have gotten alot better XP there than at Ulli camp. I've gotten 10k/hour there before.

I know this, but as I said, I was thinking about making a cannon when I got the invite. So I went where the Pt leader said we were going. I got there, it was empty save 1 person.
 
Some of the people involved were friends.

Some of them are people I've had positive experiences with in the past.

I seriously doubt anyone was trying to screw each other over.

Seems like a case of miscommunication. It would do good for both sides to apologize.
 
I wouldn't hold your breath, waiting for an apology from either side, especially considering my past with Odhinn... I figured I would give him a second chance, starting with this party, and see if he had changed.

He hasn't.
 
Willian said:
I wouldn't hold your breath, waiting for an apology from either side, especially considering my past with Odhinn... I figured I would give him a second chance, starting with this party, and see if he had changed.

He hasn't.

(That's too bad)
(/comfort)
 
lolz end game drama. we own Ulli, if were gonna party we check ulli camp, if were farming we check ulli camp, if we board we check ulli camp. So it really doesn't supprise me that a party from zan would go to ulli camp. I went to ulli camp with OH once and crimsim was with us on rdm. we killed ulli and he lotted (lost lot of course 5 on 1 but still tried).

anywho continue on with your drama, the ls has ruff spots but were getting the shit done we want done. If we step on a few toes, well who hasn't honestly? look at when ulli was stolen from TB? Its drama its gonna happen so if everyone could just get over and move on they would have happier lives ^^


Again it doesn't supprise me for my ls to take a xp party to ulli. i think were the only active sky shell that is farming nearly everyday. and its not like you cant get good/decent xp/hr at ulli
 
Passions said:
anywho continue on with your drama, the ls has ruff spots but were getting the shit done we want done. If we step on a few toes, well who hasn't honestly? look at when ulli was stolen from TB? Its drama its gonna happen so if everyone could just get over and move on they would have happier lives ^^


Tranlation: As long as we get ours, that's all that matters. Integrity has no value.
 
Naimon said:
Tranlation: As long as we get ours, that's all that matters. Integrity has no value.

I'll have to agree. Plus, it's not really an excuse to say that since it's happened to others, that it's okay for you to do it "because shit happens". Where is your integrity? Honesty? Image? Or does it not matter as long as you get what you want?
 
Passions said:
lolz end game drama. we own Ulli, if were gonna party we check ulli camp, if were farming we check ulli camp, if we board we check ulli camp. So it really doesn't supprise me that a party from zan would go to ulli camp. I went to ulli camp with OH once and crimsim was with us on rdm. we killed ulli and he lotted (lost lot of course 5 on 1 but still tried).

anywho continue on with your drama, the ls has ruff spots but were getting the shit done we want done. If we step on a few toes, well who hasn't honestly? look at when ulli was stolen from TB? Its drama its gonna happen so if everyone could just get over and move on they would have happier lives ^^


Again it doesn't supprise me for my ls to take a xp party to ulli. i think were the only active sky shell that is farming nearly everyday. and its not like you cant get good/decent xp/hr at ulli

Hmmm. according to your sig you only have 3 characters. full standard xp pt is 6. doesn't IGE have any more characters for sale??
 
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