I hate low level leveling..

Morwen said:
Anyone expecting a Dunes/Qufim party to have players that are prepared for absolutely everything should also expect the player to be able to walk on water.

Not everyone comes into this game with oodles of information or real life friends to give them information. I joined this game and server with my former fiance who promptly quit afterwards. He was at a base in DC with the Marines so it wasn't like I could just ask him whenever I had the chance. I did a lot of noobish stuff. Christ, I solo'ed in North and South Gustaberg until level I was a level 15 BLM when I got my first party invite. A random person at the AH in Bastok asked me why I was wearing such horrible gear and I told her I didn't know what to get. I explained to her that I was new and she helped me out. Quadav Backplates were good selling back then so I was able to afford good gear and my spells that I needed as she helped me out. (thanks Reedo, if you're out there <3 )

It isn't our job to babysit players, it isn't in the contract when we sign on for this game. It's not apart of the rules. But, as a community if you're going to just let someone continue to be an idiot I think you're just as bad as they are. Yeah, sometimes its just a bad night and you dont want to deal with explaining every little nuance of the game to people, but sometimes its best to. You won't see needless flames like this one or ones about horribly gimped players. Yes, I realize you will anyways, not everyone will listen (Fuk yu, i play CoD4 I kno how 2 killz stuff) but maybe some of them will. At one point someone did help you. Talk yourself and your playing experiences up all you like, but at some point a player took you aside, placed you safely under their wing and gave you some damn good advice that you may still follow today. Pay it forward, people. Yeah, its great to be an 'elitist' and its great to be awesome at your job. Its also great to be able to teach someone to expect those types of standards for themselves.

That's about all I have to say.
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Must wait, spreading reputation, etc.
 
Morwen said:
It isn't our job to babysit players, it isn't in the contract when we sign on for this game. It's not apart of the rules. But, as a community if you're going to just let someone continue to be an idiot I think you're just as bad as they are. Yeah, sometimes its just a bad night and you dont want to deal with explaining every little nuance of the game to people, but sometimes its best to.
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Thats very true and to the point, we reap what we sow in anything really. Give some help to a lost player and theres a good chance that person will reward others in the same way he was treated. The same can be said for being intollerant and treating new players badly or inconsideratly.
 
here's my opinion on this topic, and the OP.

I think the OP had a right to go ballistic and leave. Why? everyone is here defending the retarded WHM saying "they are new to the game". you are in QUFIM by now. You've had at least 5 parties of leveling in Valkurm. party dynamics are NOT that drastic throughout the game, and definitely not his first time fighting a goblin. The WHM was clearly in the wrong because: he was trying to weasel his way out of being a shit WHM and not having all his spells. If you dont have the money fucking farm for it so you can at LEAST afford your spells. If he had asked what to do, then it would have been a different story but he DIDNT. One thing i would like to say about the OP is that from someone who has been waiting forever for parties, learn to just take a powerlevel and appreciate someone taking their time to do it, whether or not you asked for it.

Next about gear. I've seen some REALLY pathetic people around, even more than when i quit. I recently came across a dragoon at level 53 still using BALANCE rings (the level 14 HQ dex ring) and his AF weapon (lord knows if that wasnt questable he'd probably be using some level 30 spear or something). That is fucking pathetic. If you dont take the time to farm, dont expect people to want to party with you. By having shit gear, you arent achieving your full potential, and basically wasting the time of the 5 other people you are partying with. Gear is important, you may not need the "BEST" stuff, but at least show you are trying, have a weapon CLOSE to your level, have some armor that isnt from 20 levels ago and at least buy have money for ONE sniper/woodsman.



note*: this friggin debate has been going on since 2003, when i first started the game, ive quit for 2 years and people are still arguing about this lol.
 
one more thing.

when i started the game, i openly admit i was a noob when i first started leveling. but learn to ask people for help, and at least try your best to show you are putting the effort. ie. by the time i was in Qufim, i knew how a party worked, what to look for and how to do my job.

example of working towards gear: you know that low level mail set, the bluish one you use mid 20s. I took a few days of mining back in Zeruhn so i could afford it, so i wouldnt be a complete gimp. Sure people dont have the same amount of time, and i dont expect everyone to be decked out in peacock charms (i dont even have one) but show u at least have some effort.
 
Xerius said:
here's my opinion on this topic, and the OP.

I think the OP had a right to go ballistic and leave. Why? everyone is here defending the retarded WHM saying "they are new to the game". you are in QUFIM by now. You've had at least 5 parties of leveling in Valkurm. party dynamics are NOT that drastic throughout the game, and definitely not his first time fighting a goblin.
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Stop right there, private. No where does the OP mention that the WHM was a particularly shitty WHM, just that they were missing a spell. And a level 20 WHM, who's probably just made it to Jeuno, would probably have no idea where the shop is that sells bar scrolls.
Way to fail.
 
Xalioniaf said:
Stop right there, private. No where does the OP mention that the WHM was a particularly shitty WHM, just that they were missing a spell. And a level 20 WHM, who's probably just made it to Jeuno, would probably have no idea where the shop is that sells bar scrolls.
Way to fail.
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even if he cant find the shop, he can check the AH?


sorry perhaps i wasnt clear... when i meant retarded i was referring to his attempt to find excuses for not having spells. And when i meant shitty i was referring more to the fact that he didnt have spells he needed.

PS: I'm assuming especially with a game like FFXI that is not too user-friendly in terms of telling you what levels you get what spells, that he must have SOME source that tells him this information. Whether it be the AH or a website, in which the latter usually also mentions where u can get the spell.
 
Xerius said:
even if he cant find the shop, he can check the AH?


sorry perhaps i wasnt clear... when i meant retarded i was referring to his attempt to find excuses for not having spells. And when i meant shitty i was referring more to the fact that he didnt have spells he needed.

PS: I'm assuming especially with a game like FFXI that is not too user-friendly in terms of telling you what levels you get what spells, that he must have SOME source that tells him this information. Whether it be the AH or a website, in which the latter usually also mentions where u can get the spell.
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He does have a source: friendly fellow players. It's not his fault such players are rarer than level 5 relic weapons. Help a player out in the learning areas and you help hundreds of others who party with the player down the road. Heck, you might party with said player again. You can be an ass instead, and many seem to enjoy doing so, but a helpful tip now and then will come back to reward everyone ten times over at least.
 
lots of people are willing to help (before i quit i even gave money for people to get gear upgrades or spells that werent too expensive but a huge upgrade). It really depends on the player and if they admit their mistakes and are willing to learn.
 
Xerius said:
one more thing.

when i started the game, i openly admit i was a noob when i first started leveling. but learn to ask people for help, and at least try your best to show you are putting the effort. ie. by the time i was in Qufim, i knew how a party worked, what to look for and how to do my job.

example of working towards gear: you know that low level mail set, the bluish one you use mid 20s. I took a few days of mining back in Zeruhn so i could afford it, so i wouldnt be a complete gimp. Sure people dont have the same amount of time, and i dont expect everyone to be decked out in peacock charms (i dont even have one) but show u at least have some effort.
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That's what you did. This is not necessarily all true for everyone that plays this game.
Some will try to have the best gear as possible before leveling, others may want to level faster and then get good/decent/great gear.

When it comes to that, it all depends on the person's attitude.
They could actually give a shit about their reputation and try not to be as gimp as possible.
Or you have those who don't even give a rats ass to care what other people think of them and their gear.

Honestly, what do the descriptions of the spells tell you?
To a beginner, they seem pretty vague unless it's fairly obvious of what it may entail.
Here's the spell in question's description.

Barfira:
Teaches the white magic "Barfira."

Now to a new player, how is this supposed to be of any help?
At best, they may have thought that it is a spell that they can get but might not be that important to get immediately.
In the worst case, they may have thought "Well, I have no idea what this does so I'm not going to get it so screw it"

Compare that description to let's say a DRK's spell.
Absorb-STR:
Teaches the black magic "Absorb-STR"

If you already know what STR stands for by the time you're at level 20, you would understand that the spell's name itself is pretty self-explanatory.
You're going to absorb some strength from a target. Easy to understand, no?

You cannot expect every single person to have the same attitude towards leveling as you.
If you were the type to actually take your time in leveling and understanding your job, and equipping it well, then good for you.
If you were/are the type to rush through exp areas just because you want to get that job to 75, then I just hope you are not going to be skimping on it too much.
If it is your first job to 75, then you still have some excuse however very little in the later levels.
 
I think everyone's stepping over the most important part oh what Xerius said. He's been quoted 4-5 times now so I won't requote it, but note he says "but learn to ask people for help" Don't forget the chat feature can be used for more than shouting for a tele. If someone asks me what something is or what they should have by a certain level, I'll be much more obliged to give them respect, because they have taken the time to try to better themself. If you don't ask, I'm going to assume you know what to do, and thus will be more critical.
 
jamal said:
I think everyone's stepping over the most important part oh what Xerius said. He's been quoted 4-5 times now so I won't requote it, but note he says "but learn to ask people for help" Don't forget the chat feature can be used for more than shouting for a tele. If someone asks me what something is or what they should have by a certain level, I'll be much more obliged to give them respect, because they have taken the time to try to better themself. If you don't ask, I'm going to assume you know what to do, and thus will be more critical.
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thank you for actually seeing what i wanted to get across :p

and Raesylil i totallya agree with what you say.
im not saying everyone should have a voyager sallet or swift belt or PCC and the works. Im saying if you're a tank, have at least armor thats in ur level range. or if you're a DD at LEAST have the most up to date WEAPON so you can DD. I think running around with a weapon thats 10-15 levels below you (except in some cases) is quite atrocius, and some people having balance rings or even the normal lv 14 non-hq rings is pretty bad : /.

ive never expected pure +1s from anyone, thats' just unreasonable. i mean, I saw a level 40 guy wearing a lizard jerkin still, mind you hes a WARRIOR too.
 
Xerius said:
ive never expected pure +1s from anyone, thats' just unreasonable. i mean, I saw a level 40 guy wearing a lizard jerkin still, mind you hes a WARRIOR too.
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Maybe he was on his way to a lv 20 cap fight and was changing on the way, and on the subject of gear many levels lower I've seen leaping boots on lv 50 warriors. We cant always judge the player by their gear I've seen way too many flames like that and it gets boring really. Quite often the clothes dont' maketh the man.
 
Jeska said:
Maybe he was on his way to a lv 20 cap fight and was changing on the way, and on the subject of gear many levels lower I've seen leaping boots on lv 50 warriors. We cant always judge the player by their gear I've seen way too many flames like that and it gets boring really. Quite often the clothes dont' maketh the man.
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oh yes... he was leveling in crawlers nest in a party with my friend... is it a level 20 cap? :)
 
Xerius said:
oh yes... he was leveling in crawlers nest in a party with my friend... is it a level 20 cap? :)
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Dang what the...

Lol he could of at least afforded a centurion body those things are probably as cheap as the lizard jerkin. I guess some people want to get their moneys worth out of a single piece of gear, maybe an occasional player that just logs on gears up and takes an invite.
 
Jeska said:
Maybe he was on his way to a lv 20 cap fight and was changing on the way, and on the subject of gear many levels lower I've seen leaping boots on lv 50 warriors. We cant always judge the player by their gear I've seen way too many flames like that and it gets boring really. Quite often the clothes dont' maketh the man.
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says the one that bitches about powerlvling and gear.
 
Palides said:
What part of "I ALREADY FUCKING SAID THIS," don't you understand? Or do you just like to look stupid.
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Because even suggesting Sipahi body is fucking retarded, and I went on to say that the Peti would probably be even better. Am I disputing what you said about the hauby? No. Would people reading this think that getting the Sipahi body is ok? Yes. That's why you're a fucking moron to even suggest that load of garbage of a body piece.
 
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