1337 pere wants a thf knife o.O details inside

[Bajaratt]

......................wow.. density. And I thought I explained that well enough. Once again, might want to reread Daveman's post on the Auction House thread. This time read the posts before it for some context or something.

Dave will hold the knife when we're not in Dynamis. He wont be using it outside Dynamis. I wont be using it outside Dynamis. Pere or any other LS thf wont be using it outside of Dynamis. It's not bettering any of us at all... It's helping to improve our runs only. We don't want one thf walking around saying 'Ooo look what Invictus gave me!!!'...

Comprende?

Maybe you should reread the thread, the only reason his name came up was because no one bought that peregrine wasn't ripping off his shell for it. It's still going against his yet again morphed position regarding coins.

 

[Dowzer]

......................wow.. density. And I thought I explained that well enough. Once again, might want to reread Daveman's post on the Auction House thread. This time read the posts before it for some context or something.

Dave will hold the knife when we're not in Dynamis. He wont be using it outside Dynamis. I wont be using it outside Dynamis. Pere or any other LS thf wont be using it outside of Dynamis. It's not bettering any of us at all... It's helping to improve our runs only. We don't want one thf walking around saying 'Ooo look what Invictus gave me!!!'...

Comprende?

So they'll cut the knife into 60 pieces and every member gets to have a chunk? I'm sorry I still fail to see the logic here.

I know you're using the knife to better the LS.


But.



What happens if Invictus ever disbands?

 

[Squadup]

exactly gray-HAM i do have 2 work harder cuz im black nukka =P

 

[Passions]

unlike most of us we have to work for our gear

Pretty sure i worked just as hard as you did if not harder, besides arn't you retired? This isn't about me, this is about pere mr thinks he's 1337 only deals with first class. That doesn't belive in bettering one person, so now they want to buy a thf knife?
Get your head out of your ass and read the main topic.
Next question, whats going to keep dave from breaking this so called "rule"? who's going to be watching his toon 24/7

 

[Squadup]

i love u passions<3 lets be friends?

 

[Zylia]

So they'll cut the knife into 60 pieces and every member gets to have a chunk? I'm sorry I still fail to see the logic here.

I know you're using the knife to better the LS.


But.



What happens if Invictus ever disbands?

Maybe they'd tell me how great I was and donate it to me? Then Drac could use it on your camping escapades with Scwall ;p

 

[Daveman]

This really makes no sence. You guys are literally inviesting millions in a knife that might or might not help in drops. Then your giving this knife to someone that can't EVER use it, sounds fishy. Hey Daveman, bring that to sky farming and let our thfs use it there. WOW and you say what good will it do him? You guys are one big joke, and watching you try to justify your previous answers is even funnier.

I don't remember ever talking to you, I don't know you, I'm pretty sure you don't me. You're in no position to judge me or what I might do. Obviously some people are willing to trust me with a thf knife, and are willing to trust that I won't abuse the fact I own it by lending it out to friends or my hnmls. This matter of trust doesn't concern you at all, if you don't trust me fine, never let me borrow anything.

 

[Daveman]

What happens if Invictus ever disbands?

I keep extremely well documented records of the linkshells attendance, this is also on a mysql database. Figuring out a fair way to split all assets would take maybe all of 10mins, the calculations could then be easily done by computer afterwards.

 

[Pompidou]

There are lots of cases of endgame linkshells being created to further the goals of the leader and/or his close friends. Usually those leaders are secretive about their true purposes. They just make the rules in a way that benefits them. Peregrine has certainly played the villain more times than I can count, but I don't see anything wrong here. His linkshell isn't being tricked into giving him the knife. Would I agree to give my share of the earnings to buff up one player? Probably not. I don't think most people would. But as long as noone's being lied to about the terms, I don't see the problem. Now, it seems that the knife is sort of LS property. That too, happens all the time. One of my friends was the temp-holder of a LS-owned Kraken club. If it's expensive, and it's mage related, the LS gets it (See Kraken Club, those Tiamat dropped Gaiters, etc). The only surprise here, is that the Thief Knife is for a melee class, and melees always get to lot to own for their cool stuff. Not many melee goods in "LS-ownership" out there.

 

[Elemmire]

To be honest.. I'm amazed (well not really.. but amused I am) at what I would consider hypocrasy on Peregrine's part... however it is his right to do so and Invictus' right to allow him to spend coin profits on one knife. I will tell his LS (and him) this. TH2+1 on ONE person will not increase the chances of more AF2 and coins dropping drastically. On only ONE person (as SE has confirmed that the more people means the more chance at drops) will barely give a huge increase in the chance percentage. It will only give a fraction of one percent. Again, however, their decision. We, QCDN posters, can't really do anything to stop them now can we? And we don't really have any right for that matter to force them not to. We can advise them it might not be wise (as I think it isn't compared to oh.. an upgraded Relic Horn) but we can't force them and just flaming won't do anything more than inflate Peregrine's ego on this board into thinking that we are all "fan boys" that just watch his every move and care about what he does. If you have a knife that you don't mind selling to him than don't.. even if it's what he (or others) might consider a rediculous price it is your right to sell it so. And it prolly is around 60mil to 90mil now anyways. Let them do as they wish and just ignore him. He doesn't really effect you anyways right? If he brags you know it'll just be proving further of how he takes everything from the dynamis LS as his (as many have been saying for a long time now). Just go on to your ways in the game and act as if he doesn't exist and all will be well. Working nicely for me. I accept he is an egotistical pompous fool that thinks he is always right even if he is contradicting himself from the past but whatever. Besides.. it might not be as BAD a deal for the LS as it seems. Since it seems to only go up in price it would seem to me that the LS might get more back if they choose to sell the knife in the future. The only problem is if he lets them sell it if it is in his position but if that happens I'm sure he won't have a LS anymore.

 

[Dejan]

Honestly?
As much as i like flaming ppl like the next, i kinda think it's pathetic so many of us question how Peregrine makes so much cash.

Who the fuck cares?
I know it's none of my buisness, let alone anyone else's.

He owes explanations to no one. As much as i'm gonna get flamed like hell (at least i think so), i think it's pathetic to give so much thought about someone that doesn't even matter. He's not worth my time or yourse. Just let it be. If he buys gil, if he farms it, if he gets off his dynamis shell, who the fuck cares? Is it gonna make that much of a difference for you all?

If i had a thief's knife, and were looking for a seller, i'd definitely sell it to Peregrine. Cause it's not gonna influence my life at all. Now, if he were to scam/bot/MPK, whatever, that could make a diff. Now, about how he gets his cash? Fuck that, i could care less. Like he's the only one that everyone thinks buys gil.

Just live on, let this be.

Cheers

/em awaits flame bombs....

 

[Raivyn]

Honestly?
As much as i like flaming ppl like the next, i kinda think it's pathetic so many of us question how Peregrine makes so much cash.

Who the fuck cares?
I know it's none of my buisness, let alone anyone else's.

He owes explanations to no one. As much as i'm gonna get flamed like hell (at least i think so), i think it's pathetic to give so much thought about someone that doesn't even matter. He's not worth my time or yourse. Just let it be. If he buys gil, if he farms it, if he gets off his dynamis shell, who the fuck cares? Is it gonna make that much of a difference for you all?

If i had a thief's knife, and were looking for a seller, i'd definitely sell it to Peregrine. Cause it's not gonna influence my life at all. Now, if he were to scam/bot/MPK, whatever, that could make a diff. Now, about how he gets his cash? Fuck that, i could care less. Like he's the only one that everyone thinks buys gil.

Just live on, let this be.

Cheers

/em awaits flame bombs....

I totally agree, but I think the people in here are just having one big communal laugh at his expense, to be honest.

 

[Kat]

I won't get on the subject of Peregrine. But I will say I'd trust Daveman with just about anything I've gotten ingame.

Furthermore, who the hell are any of us holier than thou to question what Invictus wants to do with the gil they've made. We aren't in there, we don't know what they're plans are.

Sorry but in this case, this is none of our business what they want to do. We have no right to judge as we are not a part of their Dynamis shell.

 

[Kat]

they're

their*

C'mon guys, this is really silly and none of us need to be stickin' our noses where it doesn't belong on this subject.

 

[Claxton]

While I don't support peregrine usually, from a money making point of view this just makes sense. If you have a shell that makes money selling coins, why not buy an item that would increase the drop rate, there bye benefitting the entire LS through more drops? And seeing as how Pere IS the leader, it SHOULD go to him, mainly because if given to another thf, said thf might just take the knife and go to another dynamis shell. Since pere is the leader, I'm willing to bet he wouldn't leave his shell. Yes, he probably does want that to better himself, but it also increases the rate at which his shell makes money, thereby benefitting everyone.

 

[Bigboy]

THF knife sucks for THF to use in combat, so it really is only to benefit the rest of his shell and maybe himself if he camps something. The difference is pretty unnoticable though.

 

[Dowzer]

I keep extremely well documented records of the linkshells attendance, this is also on a mysql database. Figuring out a fair way to split all assets would take maybe all of 10mins, the calculations could then be easily done by computer afterwards.

That's a relief, goodjob on keeping records for the linkshell.

 

[Phraust]

You see the thing is this... Peregrine started the shell with the pretense that he would be gathering the coins, selling them, and deviding the money amongst the members of the shell equally. This is what he's said since he started. Memebers of the shell have yet to see a dime it seems, and now there was a very dramatic policy change. In real life we call this 'Bait & Switch Tactics' and in real life it's illegal. The thing is, if anyone in the group complains, they can be removed from the group, and that furthers the scam. Having disgruntaled people outside the group that have been 'fucked' telling the group things and causing a sense of distress amongst the members the members get fed up, and disband, leaving thier leader with a Knife...

What the right, and honest thing would have been to do in this situation would to devide up the money and clear with the group as a whole, possibly with a vote, that from a certain point on proceeds would be used on a knife for future use. And... Give the LS members a choice to either buy into the knife or keep thier share of the money; what the LS members earned.

Peregine, this "What's mine is mine, & What's yours is mine." thing is much lower than any of this 'begging' you accuse us of, and now it's beginning to come to light what you meant in all the statements you made in the past. You're right... all the items of your dynamis shell are part of your net worth, cause you had already planned on screwing them form the beginning.

 

[Foofighter]

Peregrine just spews some much shit that any time he posts it is gonna involve some sort of ego mania. We are just the affected QCDN and are all fanboys or whatever. In my opinion I would leave Invictus in a heartbeat if the leaders were using the shell money to buy a thief's knife, I would leave in heartbeat if I ever read a post by the self-proclaimed God Peregrine, and I would leave a Dynamis shell in a heartbeat if this so-called leader claims to be rich because of the ls bank he hold and he can buy and sell any of us. Not only that but I specifically remember an argument by Peregrine that he pays out the gil to the members to justify some of his bullshit. Doesn't sound like any money has been distributed.
Peregrine has no credibility left and I feel sorry for the few that still defend this shithead for the sake of the Dynamis shell.

 

[Stouter]

You see the thing is this... Peregrine started the shell with the pretense that he would be gathering the coins, selling them, and deviding the money amongst the members of the shell equally. This is what he's said since he started. Memebers of the shell have yet to see a dime it seems, and now there was a very dramatic policy change. In real life we call this 'Bait & Switch Tactics' and in real life it's illegal. The thing is, if anyone in the group complains, they can be removed from the group, and that furthers the scam. Having disgruntaled people outside the group that have been 'fucked' telling the group things and causing a sense of distress amongst the members the members get fed up, and disband, leaving thier leader with a Knife...

What the right, and honest thing would have been to do in this situation would to devide up the money and clear with the group as a whole, possibly with a vote, that from a certain point on proceeds would be used on a knife for future use. And... Give the LS members a choice to either buy into the knife or keep thier share of the money; what the LS members earned.

Peregine, this "What's mine is mine, & What's yours is mine." thing is much lower than any of this 'begging' you accuse us of, and now it's beginning to come to light what you meant in all the statements you made in the past. You're right... all the items of your dynamis shell are part of your net worth, cause you had already planned on screwing them form the beginning.

I thought the original plan was to sell just enough each week to cover the cost of the hourglass, and the remaining ones go to the bank, where pere would just flat out give them to members who were upgrading?