Alexial: The most retarded SAM you will ever meet.

[Duffman]

LOL this second half of the thread is off topic.
I didn't mean for this to turn into a hijacked thread.
But I guess I pissed off a bunch of nagging Thieves.

 

[Ryfen]

If your a warrior and your not the main tank, I dont see the problem being a first voker and letting the thf sata onto the pld or nin tank. As far as i can tell, warriors being versatile are also supposed to adjust to different pt layouts and also their roles in that pt. If a warrior can't be a sata partner, I feel for them, I did that with my dark till lvl 65 when I started subbing thf and never complained about it.

 

[Duffman]

...I started subbing thf and never complained about it...

Well now you are special; my hero. If you never complained about
it then I must conform and LOVE the THF. I'm glad you love everything.
You ROCK.

 

[Summerbreeze]

I too have done lots of PLing and I always ask pts not to voke off me, however i don't tell them not to voke off other members of the pt. And I too have no problem holding hate. I just cast regen on myself and I would prefer to hold the hate as it saves on mp.

And I have grabbed hate before in the dunes with just a cure, as long as I'm doing it repeatdly.

 

[Ryfen]

Damn, I wasn't flaming ya. Was just saying you shouldn't be complaining about it. Everyone else goes thru the same ol crap, take it like a man.

 

[Chouzan]

I refuse to partner with a Thf. If the Thf wants to SATA off someone
else, it is fine by me. But I refuse to be a damn meat puppet.
"ok you stand here, I stand there, you do this. we all do the hokey pokey..."
screw that.

We've had this conversation before...

And, on topic, it sounds like Vigaut needs to be taught how to powerlevel properly. One big cure would have pinned the hate to him for the whole fight.

 

[Sneakypants]

LOL this second half of the thread is off topic.
I didn't mean for this to turn into a hijacked thread.
But I guess I pissed off a bunch of nagging Thieves.

No offense taken as a THF. I just wouldn't party with a tank who refused to SATA...But NO THF would nag you if you did YOUR job. They are just trying to do theirs. They get invited for SATA, and you admit it does great damage. So long as the healers are doing their job, it's not a problem that hate is locked on to you as a WAR. It's preferred that it be locked onto a tank, rather than a mage or DD. Thought we all knew this.


Also, I'd like to bring up an honorable mention for retarded SAM: Aandj
:lol:

What a fruit.

 

[Kiere]

I do feel better about your action now that you say you did try it for 10 fights at least. However, the situation doesn't make since. If the hate was jumping as much as you claim and the mages were taking lots of hits (you have more than 1 blm?), then the PL should be doing lots of curing that would solidfy hate. The more hate jumps around, the more secure it is after the PL has cured all that dmg. The only explanation for hate jumping that much is if the PLD wasn't curing all the dmg or was too low of lvl and actually taking moderate dmg causing him to lose hate. Sadly, I'm fairly experienced at PL and never expereinced a problem of hate going off me.

If he was only using cure and or an occasional cure II it would be harder to hold the hate. I've pl'd a few groups in my time also and have better success when I let one person get low enough to throw at least a cure III. After that it's rare to lose hate for more than a single hit here or there.

 

[Phraust]

lol What a coincidence... I was asked to join that party as a Tank with the promise of a Poerlevel, I said quite firmly, "No thanks, I want to leant how to do my job."

And to correct you on a couple of things, if coordinated properly, all thew Paladin had to do was hit anyone with a Cure III or Higher and they would hold hate through pretty much the whole fight. For Melee, the Hate generated is based on thier cumulative damage, for healers it's based on thier cumulative Healing. If you do 100 damage to a mob, you will have 100 points of hate. When a Pld comes by and heals you for 200 hp, they aquire 200 points of hate.

And as far as having your Thief practicing hate control, Please keep in mind a thief cannot control hate per se' until level 30 when they can transfer thier hate onto others. On the same note, you were not practicing 'SATA' you were practicing Sneak Attacks.

 

[Phraust]

lol What a coincidence... I was asked to join that party as a Tank with the promise of a Poerlevel, I said quite firmly, "No thanks, I want to learn how to do my job."

And to correct you on a couple of things, if coordinated properly, all thew Paladin had to do was hit anyone with a Cure III or Higher and they would hold hate through pretty much the whole fight. For Melee, the Hate generated is based on thier cumulative damage, for healers it's based on thier cumulative Healing. If you do 100 damage to a mob, you will have 100 points of hate. When a Pld comes by and heals you for 200 hp, they aquire 200 points of hate.

And as far as having your Thief practicing hate control, Please keep in mind a thief cannot control hate per se' until level 30 when they can transfer thier hate onto others. On the same note, you were not practicing 'SATA' you were practicing Sneak Attacks.

 

[Phraust]

oops that wasn't the 'edit' button...

 

[Lecan]

the sad thing is that parties are meant to be cooperative by nature, and i don't see how someone can't at least try it another persons way before deciding they know better (unless said advice is absurd >.>) Would it have been so hard to let our tank Voke for a few seconds so Lokkin and I could SA, pretty much ensuring a quick, painless battle? No, it wouldn't have, Alexial just decided she wanted to be lazy.

On another note, Vigaut's told us we should be cool with the party because it was "Free experience", to which we responded, we don't want free experience, we want to be able to play our jobs. I mean, we usually choose what jobs we play based on the abilities they get. The abilities of each job is what draws us to them. If you can't use your abilities in battle, what is the point of playing that job? If i wanted to mindlessly whack away at an enemy, i wouldn't play this game, i'd go play a beatemup on a console somewhere. It all boils down to this, Alexial wanted to be lazy, and she ruined the entire party because of it. I don't know, perhaps she found other lazy people who wanted to party with her, and were willing to put up with the poor hate control, with a tank who didn't voke, and in a party that had no SC (i know most dunes pt's don't have SC's, but this was a pt with all advanced jobs, and every time we set up a SC, it didn't happen.) I don't know, maybe it's just me, but i like to play my job to it's fullest.

 

[Rones]

I don't know, maybe it's just me, but i like to play my job to it's fullest.

Its just you. After you reach the upper lvls and their insane exp amounts you no longer care about the noble idea of doing your job right or what is meant to be. You just care about getting that exp to lvl up regardless of the method. I would choose easy exp over playing my job to the fullest anyday if it actually resulted in better time/exp efficieny. However, this isn't to say I go slacking a lot since I'm still concerned about maximizing time efficieny for the exp amounts.

Also, hate doesn't work in exact points like that pascal. It makes a good framework, but there are a lot more little factors that go into it.

I think the real problem here is it was a bad Powerlvler (is that possible?). If he had actually been doing it right hate would have stayed on hi. Why would anyone in your party be grabbing hate from cures? The PL should be doing the vast majority of curing already.

 

[Lecan]

Even if it was a bad PLer, that doesn't excuse Alexial telling the tank not to voke at all to try to control things a little.

As far as doing my job is concerned, that will always be my priority, even in the higher levels. If i really cared about lvling up, i could be lvl 75 by now, but i really don't. I play the game to have fun. I roleplay, i help others with quests and missions, i actually go EXPLORING and just try to find the fun. I personally find lvling boring, and i've never really cared about being a high level.

 

[Lecan]

Even if it was a bad PLer, that doesn't excuse Alexial telling the tank not to voke at all to try to control things a little.

As far as doing my job is concerned, that will always be my priority, even in the higher levels. If i really cared about lvling up, i could be lvl 75 by now, but i really don't. I play the game to have fun. I roleplay, i help others with quests and missions, i actually go EXPLORING and just try to find the fun. I personally find lvling boring, and i've never really cared about being a high level.

 

[Lecan]

gah ><, sorry for the double post ><

 

[Rones]

Even if it was a bad PLer, that doesn't excuse Alexial telling the tank not to voke at all to try to control things a little.

Well if he wasn't a bad PLer (never thought that would come up), then what Alexial said would be spot on advice.

 

[ArmachiA]

...What the hell else do warriors at that level bring to the table?...

and if you have to ask this? I have to ask what game have YOU been
playing? WAR is probably the most versatile job ever! Thf only has SATA.
Take that away from them and you got nothing.

If they are versatile, shouldn't one thing you expect to do is be the SATA bitch? I mean, RDMs are very versatile as well, and I fully expect to be the main healer (BTW I'm not a main healing fan, but it comes with the territory) sometimes or the nuker or something just because my job description is to adapt easily to the enviroment. WARs have to do the same thing as RDMs, which is adapt to the PTs needs. No other job can really do that, so obviously WAR wasn't a good job class for you if you weren't willing to change your style of play to fit the current enviroment.

(Not a flame, don't get pissy)

 

[Xelos]

...What the hell else do warriors at that level bring to the table?...

and if you have to ask this? I have to ask what game have YOU been
playing? WAR is probably the most versatile job ever! Thf only has SATA.
Take that away from them and you got nothing.

Hmmm Duffman I respect your opinions but how would you do without berserk, provoke, warcry, aggressor, etc? Yeah yeah yeah your regular damage would still be more than a thf without SATA but at least we thfs can kill two birds with one stone via hate control and damage.

I know that WARs are excellent damage dealers and a versatile job but I'm afraid to say (time to beat the good ol' dead horse) if you cannot commit to SATA formation then I cannot be surprised you don't even have any jobs past 50 (yes I do realize you have 2 jobs in the upper 40's)

As much as I am sort of disturbed by your posts, you may have your opinion and and I may have mine.....

Only 6 people per pt, each person must perform to the full extent of their job in order to achieve maximum efficiency. The tank must tank, the rng must dmg deal, mages heal/nuke/enfeeble/support/summon/etc, thvs sata, and any misc damage dealer ensure smooth SATA. I cannot see a pt with a warrior just doing his little combos and weapon skills while the thief can only do SA or get lucky and get a second SATA off the tank.

If you don't like thieves, that is fine. If you don't like me, that is also fine. I don't like the fact that you think we are a bunch of spoiled brats with SATA.....I haven't seen any tank not want SATA, and I'm sorry if you don't enjoy being helpful.

 

[Palum_Q]

Wouldn't it have been just as plausible to put the PL-er right behind the tank? I was just thinking that now so the mob would never turn around because the tank and Pl-er would be in the same direction.