Another Crappy RDM Topic

[Rappa]

why? it unneeded and just extra gear that has to be carried around. From what I hear not even whm go max mp anymore. They stack up on mnd and healing magic gear so there cure are more potent.

Um, no. max mp > all on whm. You slowly peel off the gear to replace with mind gear as the mp is spent. I'm not giving up 300 mp so my Cure V heals for 50 more hp, rofl.

 

[Myrid]

WHM can use staves to enfeeb too =P Just, it's a total waste of MP in cannons since the mobs dead in ~30s anyways. Unless you're Dia'ing or silencing BLM/NIN Mamool Ja, I personally don't see much of a point. (Though Troll cannons are a different story, yuck)

I was talking about the elmental staves as a reason to not melee as a RDM, not as a reason to use RDM over WHM.

Well, you can't really say Regen 3 is solved with Cure III. Regen III cures for, I believe, a total of 660 HP, 750 with briault. It also only costs, what, 68 MP to cast? Versus Cure III's 48 MP cost. That's 20 more MP for over 500 more HP cured. That's a 11HP/mp ratio, versus Cure III's 4.4HP/mp. That's even a better hp/mp ratio then my Cure V's for over 900 HP. My Cure V's would actually have to heal for about 1500 HP just to be more MP efficient then Regen III.

I really really debate using Regen3 in a cannon party... one it's slow to cast, I can toss out a cure4+cure3 in that time. Yeah, I spend more MP, but I have the MP to spend. Two, if someone's down the 660 or 750 HP to make it worthwhile, are you going to regen them? No... because a mob WS will kill them before they get that HP back. You try to keep people out of yellow, not let them linger there for extended periods of time because you have to worry about MP.

Well, I have cure casting time merits. I cast as fast, if not faster, then a RDM =/

But you can't reuse the same cure spell nearly as fast.

Yeah, Cure5 is nice, and yeah, I'd use regen3 if you have only one designated voker. But with damage being so spread out usually, I find myself either doing cure3 on one or two people, or a curaga1/2 more often than I need cure4/5.


WHM strategy: Rest some to maintain MP. Have to let people dip to lower HP to maintain efficiency.
RDM strategy: Maintain MP through Refresh+Convert. Keep people healed with quicker casting, but sacrifice some efficiency with spells.

To me WHM is riskier, but maybe it's my playstyle. And Cro, even when I only had Vermy I rarely ran out of MP.. maybe sometimes I had to get a tic at the north Mamool camp.

 

[Artem]

The thing about RDM and WHM in merit is that if you have an excellent RDM or an excellent WHM, than they will not make any difference. They will both do the same thing, keep you alive without losing chain. But if you are just talking about mediocre WHM and RDM, in that case go with WHM, cause if anything they'll be using cure 5 a lot and you won't die, but you will lose chains with either mediocre healer.

That's just my opinion as a melee.

 

[Soujiro]

Another plus for whm which i'm surprised no one has mentioned yet, is that rdm do not get Flash. I find the spell invaluable, both when i play whm or if i'm on nin or sam. When someone ws's and gets hate, eats a multi-hit ws themselves, and is trying to recast utsusemi, Flash mob and 99% of the time, even if casting Ichi, melee/tank will not get interrupted constantly. Sadly even most whm don't get this. They'd rather keep spamming cure5, then cure4, etc., instead of using one 25mp Flash, then w/e is the appropirate Healing magic to cure however much hp the player has lost while the mob is whiffing swinging at him. Much more mp efficient, much more beneficial to the melee recasting, much better to continue chains.

 

[Tomasello]

Another plus for whm which i'm surprised no one has mentioned yet, is that rdm do not get Flash. I find the spell invaluable, both when i play whm or if i'm on nin or sam. When someone ws's and gets hate, eats a multi-hit ws themselves, and is trying to recast utsusemi, Flash mob and 99% of the time, even if casting Ichi, melee/tank will not get interrupted constantly. Sadly even most whm don't get this. They'd rather keep spamming cure5, then cure4, etc., instead of using one 25mp Flash, then w/e is the appropirate Healing magic to cure however much hp the player has lost while the mob is whiffing swinging at him. Much more mp efficient, much more beneficial to the melee recasting, much better to continue chains.

When I was leveling PLD I had a WHM in one party who used flash almost as much as I did. Probably one of the best parties I was ever in. It saved both of us a lot of MP and HP in the long run and with my emnity versus his, he never pulled hate with it. He was also smart enough to let me get my initial voke and flash in first before he used his flash. I rarely see whms use this strategy and it's a shame because its very underrated on its benefits especially on a pld tank. I would take flashing a mob over hasting me any day.

 

[Mishaela]

I was talking about the elmental staves as a reason to not melee as a RDM, not as a reason to use RDM over WHM.

Ah, my mistake.

I really really debate using Regen3 in a cannon party... one it's slow to cast, I can toss out a cure4+cure3 in that time. Yeah, I spend more MP, but I have the MP to spend. Two, if someone's down the 660 or 750 HP to make it worthwhile, are you going to regen them? No... because a mob WS will kill them before they get that HP back. You try to keep people out of yellow, not let them linger there for extended periods of time because you have to worry about MP.

(abridged)

WHM strategy: Rest some to maintain MP. Have to let people dip to lower HP to maintain efficiency.
RDM strategy: Maintain MP through Refresh+Convert. Keep people healed with quicker casting, but sacrifice some efficiency with spells.

I personally like to toss out Regen II/III onto the people most damage-prone before I rest up some MP, as it usually allows me to stay down for an extra few tics (unless one of the DDs has a run of bad luck and I hafto toss a quick Flash/Cure on them or just has trouble timing Utsusemi). But then, I have relic body, so that may by why I'm able to do that...

 

[Rappa]

I can't speak for all whms, but during my Haste cycle (aka my standing up time), I'm frequently tossing out Curagas / Flashes / whatever else in-between casts of Haste. I don't drop down into /heal until everyone's hasted and has max or close hp. The only time I "pop up" before restarting hastes is if someone takes a fireball to the face and needs a quick CV. Basically, I have more than enough rest time to stay at 3/4+ mp while still keeping everyone alive. And pop-up->Cure V->heal again takes like 5 seconds tops if even.

 

[Myrid]

Further thinking about it, yeah, you're probably right, Art. WHM just seems slower to me, makes me zzz.. that's why I prefer healing as RDM.

 

[Diabllos]

Neya

I haven't read the whole thread, but:

Firstly, Vallion. You could have just sent her a /tell privately if it bothered you enough, rather than flaming her in front of the whole of QCDN.

Secondly, I've partied with dozens of people who I don't think play too well. For the most part, I ignore it if it's nothing major. If it is, then i'll hit them up with a /tell.

Another thing... to you Shyrra. Perhaps you can be a bit more understanding next time, rather than taking the piss outta her when she gets flamed and tries to explain herself.

She's been one of my best friends in the game, and thanks to the flame she's on the verge of quitting. Maybe the folks who were flaming Neya and other people like her could think twice before doing so again.

 

[Daggett]

How much of this topic has even been focused on Neya? Seems to me she must be having other problems to warrent qutting, unless she is extremely deprived of self-esteem.


In that case I give her post a


CRAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWLLLLLLLLIIIIINNNNNG INNNN MY SKIIIIIIIIN out of 10.

 

[Myrrh]

Maybe instead of Neya quiting she could just, i don't know, GET BETTER AT THE JOB?

 

[Diabllos]

Heartless bastards

 

[Pastry]

I haven't read the whole thread, but:

Firstly, Vallion. You could have just sent her a /tell privately if it bothered you enough, rather than flaming her in front of the whole of QCDN.

Secondly, I've partied with dozens of people who I don't think play too well. For the most part, I ignore it if it's nothing major. If it is, then i'll hit them up with a /tell.

Another thing... to you Shyrra. Perhaps you can be a bit more understanding next time, rather than taking the piss outta her when she gets flamed and tries to explain herself.

She's been one of my best friends in the game, and thanks to the flame she's on the verge of quitting. Maybe the folks who were flaming Neya and other people like her could think twice before doing so again.

Names? Who are these dozens of people who said Vallion is bad? Huh?

And Neya really, really does suck. I partied with her on Ninja against crabs around level 60. She was red mage. She didn't debuff the crabs, at all. Fights dragged on forever. It was alwful, then she said the magic words "I have to go." I was over-joyed.

She was awful at her job, and instead of learning, she continued to level! The horrors.

And Myrrh is right, why would a few post make her quit?

 

[Shyrra]

I haven't read the whole thread, but:

Firstly, Vallion. You could have just sent her a /tell privately if it bothered you enough, rather than flaming her in front of the whole of QCDN.

Secondly, I've partied with dozens of people who I don't think play too well. For the most part, I ignore it if it's nothing major. If it is, then i'll hit them up with a /tell.

Another thing... to you Shyrra. Perhaps you can be a bit more understanding next time, rather than taking the piss outta her when she gets flamed and tries to explain herself.

She's been one of my best friends in the game, and thanks to the flame she's on the verge of quitting. Maybe the folks who were flaming Neya and other people like her could think twice before doing so again.

When did I "take piss" out of anyone? lol

If you take this little flame so seriously that you're going to quit, you need to take a serious look at yourself lol. Next to no one has said "OMFG SHE SUX I NEVAR PT WITH HER AGAIN."

C'mon now, suck it up and move on.

 

[Codyf]

I want me some baconblitzlawl

Pastry you dough, he said he has partied with dozens of people but he is so courteous he /tell them and all that good stuff.

However Vallion is sooo rude cause he flammer her for sucking, god vallion you stupid noob.

Either way, you suck. Won't make any difference if he tells you or posts here.

If you are going to quit cause of this, then you must really know you suck aswell.

She's been one of my best friends in the game, and thanks to the flame she's on the verge of quitting. Maybe the folks who were flaming Neya and other people like her could think twice before doing so again.

What the hell is this game to you, Barney and Friends?

Reminds me of Olives post where he says we are all in this together.

 

[Kenchion]

i ptied with neya before and she is a great person but when i hear people saying she sucks at her job well i don't think she sucks at it~i mean i think its pretty unique in the way she plays rdm~and when she catches up she'll always have a place in my pties and is a good and cool rdm in my book ^-^

 

[Codyf]

i ptied with neya before and she is a great person but when i hear people saying she sucks at her job well i don't think she sucks at it~i mean i think its pretty unique in the way she plays rdm~and when she catches up she'll always have a place in my pties and is a good and cool rdm in my book ^-^

Generally people who suck at there own job don't realize others suck at theres.

How is she going to catch up when she is quitting?

^-^

~=.

 

[Romper]

i ptied with neya before and she is a great person but when i hear people saying she sucks at her job well i don't think she sucks at it~i mean i think its pretty unique in the way she plays rdm~and when she catches up she'll always have a place in my pties and is a good and cool rdm in my book ^-^

didn't realize sucking made her uniqe at rdm. theres plenty of shitty rdms around that you could party with. I know I wont party with a DRG that thinks Neya is good when theres stories saying she sucks. That comes back and bites you in your ass and reflects that you aren't a good dragoon. I will party with a dragoon too.

 

[Uzor]

Theres other gear that I mentioned besides Serket Ring lol, Zenith for one.

I have Zenith. Thus I didn't mention it.

 

[Uzor]

I really really debate using Regen3 in a cannon party... one it's slow to cast, I can toss out a cure4+cure3 in that time. Yeah, I spend more MP, but I have the MP to spend. Two, if someone's down the 660 or 750 HP to make it worthwhile, are you going to regen them? No... because a mob WS will kill them before they get that HP back. You try to keep people out of yellow, not let them linger there for extended periods of time because you have to worry about MP.

That's because you don't rely on it to curre them drom 600 to 700. You rely on it to take care of the small hits and AoE attacks. Believe it or not, but if you Regen them when they have lost 300 damage, it won't be a waste since they'll usually get hit a few more times without taking a head-on double critical etc.
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To me WHM is riskier, but maybe it's my playstyle. And Cro, even when I only had Vermy I rarely ran out of MP.. maybe sometimes I had to get a tic at the north Mamool camp. [/quote]
I rarely run out of MP with Duelist's Chapeau =/ I still like WHM more though due to being less stressfull.

Another plus for whm which i'm surprised no one has mentioned yet, is that rdm do not get Flash. I find the spell invaluable, both when i play whm or if i'm on nin or sam. When someone ws's and gets hate, eats a multi-hit ws themselves, and is trying to recast utsusemi, Flash mob and 99% of the time, even if casting Ichi, melee/tank will not get interrupted constantly. Sadly even most whm don't get this. They'd rather keep spamming cure5, then cure4, etc., instead of using one 25mp Flash, then w/e is the appropirate Healing magic to cure however much hp the player has lost while the mob is whiffing swinging at him. Much more mp efficient, much more beneficial to the melee recasting, much better to continue chains.

Good point. I too love Flash, and always try to use it as often as possible. I had actually forgotten all about it in this topic >.<

Pastry you dough

I see what you did there xD