Another War?

wow, iran. Go fig... oh wait. How completely predictable.
 
"Helicopters had reported seeing two British boats being moved along the Shatt al-Arab waterway..."

Hey, they shit on their waterways too!
 
alright U.K., you know the plan. You guys take on Iran and the U.S. will move in from the east and west. If all goes well we should "complete the set" by fall.
cheers.
 
I don't want another war, but Iran does have it coming if any nation does. But then, I could name a half dozen countries that deserve a forceful conversion to western idealogy. I suppose it doesn't matter in the end. It's probably better if Britain declares war first and then the US joins - just to spread out the warmongering a little bit. Variety is the spice of life after all, and people grow tired of Bush starting all the wars. Bush can have Kim Jong Il, and the African despots can be sorted out later. Democracy for everyone.
 
watched cnn in the morning

"Iran says it's nuclear creation program is entirely peaceful"

gold...

The british ships did say they admitted to crossing their waters but Iran is still holding them

but yes Iran does have it comming to them since we the US gave them a lot of attention which kinda pumped up their ego
 
Pompidou said:
deserve a forceful conversion to western idealogy.
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This is why we fail. The very nature of freedom does not allow for it to be forced on anyone.

Forcing ideology on people is why we fought in two world wars. Kinda funny how it all comes full circle, no?

Anyone who knows the history of the country knows damn well the situation in that country rests all but entirely on us (the US) thanks to political manuevers gone bad pre-iotola which lead to the widespread militant islam movement we have on our hands now.

We're in ur government manipulating ur leaderz.

That is until such time as civil unrest starts up based on our actions and ur leaderz need asylumn to make way for radical dictatorships headed fucking fundamental islamist nutbags.

Meanwhile North Korea does as it pleases with utterly no concequences whatsoever.
 
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Pompidou said:
I don't want another war, but Iran does have it coming if any nation does. But then, I could name a half dozen countries that deserve a forceful conversion to western idealogy. I suppose it doesn't matter in the end. It's probably better if Britain declares war first and then the US joins - just to spread out the warmongering a little bit. Variety is the spice of life after all, and people grow tired of Bush starting all the wars. Bush can have Kim Jong Il, and the African despots can be sorted out later. Democracy for everyone.
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everyone forgets that 100 years ago we were pretty close to how these middle east countries are.
 
not every type of government works best for what everyone wants

democracy opens many variations of what people want but there are some that excel at certain aspects that democracy will never have.

I'm hardly a communist but I'm not having a closed mind that democracy is the only thing that works either.

Semitics have different goals and prioritize different things than their western counterparts although they dont dominate the world they still keep some dignity
 
RoM said:
This is why we fail. The very nature of freedom does not allow for it to be forced on anyone.

Forcing ideology on people is why we fought in two world wars. Kinda funny how it all comes full circle, no?
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Whoah there tiger. I don't see anything about freedom being included in western ideology. If we look at ourselves as an example of western idiology the lack of freedom in that expression should be abundantly clear as of the last decade or so. We aren't trying to force freedom when we pass our idioligy around these days. Just the shell of freedom we once had, disguising our truer idiology of our clouded superiority. Its like calling a sack of turds manuer.
 
Khidir said:
The British ships did say they admitted to crossing their waters but Iran is still holding them
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The British ships were not in Irani waters, Iraqi fishermen have confirmed they were in Iraqi waters. The only people that have announced our boys (and girl) have "admitted" being in Iranian waters are the Iranians themselves.
 
A.) Forcible conversion works. Take a look at West Germany and Japan. It takes a hell of a long time, a willingness to smash your enemy completely, and a level of ruthlessness in the occupation that I doubt we're capable of anymore, but it CAN be done.

B.) You're off by about a factor of 4 there Meeze.
 
Women couldn't vote. Women had to be fully clothed, no skin. Blacks being killed. Severe discrimination.

This country was built on robbing and stealing, similar to how a lot of middle east countries act today. Pick on the weak and exploit them.

The BIG difference, is that capatalism allows for a middle class to make a living off of both sides, rich and poor.

In the middle east, the cries of the public are not heard because they are poor. The rich are hiding behind big gates and gaurds and could care less what is going on.

In our country, the people are the middle class who pretty much run this country, and the rich must heed (sp) to their needs.
 
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Whoah there tiger. I don't see anything about freedom being included in western ideology. If we look at ourselves as an example of western idiology the lack of freedom in that expression should be abundantly clear as of the last decade or so. We aren't trying to force freedom when we pass our idioligy around these days. Just the shell of freedom we once had, disguising our truer idiology of our clouded superiority. Its like calling a sack of turds manuer.
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It's called context. Read what i quoted. Then read my response again only this time take it in context.

After that sit and roll over, i'll dig up a cookie.

You'll pardon me if i took the ley way out. To the average american 'western ideology' is freedom, apple pie, and guns in the closet. We're not a smart or civilized people by a longshot and don't really have much business telling everyone else how bad their shit stinks for multiple reasons that are too numerous to list.
 
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RoM said:
It's called context. Read what i quoted. Then read my response again only this time take it in context.

After that sit and roll over, i'll dig up a cookie.

You'll pardon me if i took the ley way out. To the average american 'western ideology' is freedom, apple pie, and guns in the closet. We're not a smart or civilized people by a longshot and don't really have much business telling everyone else how bad their shit stinks for multiple reasons that are too numerous to list.
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Hey to the average american, I'm filled with sarcasm. ^.-

Well maybe the above average american...

I still don't think freedom has anything to do with western idiology though. That is only from the parts of our country the rest of the world hates and we are ashamed of. I can travel the world and tell people I'm a Californian and everyone will want to be my friend. Everyone loves Californians in the rest of the world. That can't be said about the rest of the states in our union. Not that some places aren't nice, but EVERYONE loves Californians in other countries. Be it because they think we are all next door neighbors to their favorite movie stars, or because they know we have the best weather... I get the craziest questions from people when I visit other countries.

If we weren't spreading the worst parts of western idiology when we go places, we just might be welcome with open arms. I know I've always been. We need to stop "liberating" people. How can we expect people to appreciate something they didn't have to fight for the same way we did? And we really are showing them how much of a failure our freedom is currently with this administration.

US: You can be like us and have a democracy with freedom of expression.
World: Naw, thats cool, this conversation isn't being wire tapped is it?
US: As a matter of security it is?
World: Well our laws don't allow people to be recorded against their wishes.
US: Too fuckin bad!!! I gots me some freedom bitches!
World: I can't imagine people in your country would be ok with that...
US: Well they got so scared we drafted something up and told them everything would be OK if they just signed it.
World: And they didn't read it and vote it down?
US: They had the freedom to, but freedom prevailed yet again, and most of the people that would have turned it down took a sick day to cower in fear.
World: Well people have to have read it now and want it stopped...
US: Fuck em!

As our freedoms are currently in sharp decline, we are the last people who should be fighting for other peoples. And it starts off pretty badly by not recognising their right to their current form of government. Democracy doesn't work in that culture. Maybe someday, but not today. We need to stop trying to ram these square pegs into our round holes. I don't think they like it when we take it upon ourselves to shave off their edges.

I just totally went off on a mad tangent...... sorry. ; ;
 
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Elpon said:
alright U.K., you know the plan. You guys take on Iran and the U.S. will move in from the east and west. If all goes well we should "complete the set" by fall.
cheers.
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Then we can build hotels and jack up the rent... U.S. Better get the racecar I swear.
 
I say we carpet bomb and destroy the entire country. Kill everyone, and start over. Dead people aren't much of a threat to our lives, now are they? If you're worried about the innocent people that would die too, then stfu and get over it. In the end, it's the only way to be safe from the radical and irrational views that islam forces upon it's people. Iran, Iraq, shit the whole middle east is a sesspool of hate, death, and crime. Eliminate the middle east and N. Korea and you have yourself a much safer world. All it takes it the push of a couple buttons and a good use to our tax money that's already invested in the weapons necessary to kill them all.


Before you flame me: Yes, that is Genocide. But as a culture, they've demonstrated that they're main will is to slay their enemies. In this modern world that is unacceptable, and it's better to kill than be killed.
 
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