Betrayal, and all that may come of it.

I just think if you're willing to put up with all the potential legal troubles that marijuana can cause, you might as well switch to crack or meth or something. More bang for your buck and just as bad legal and social ramifications.
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Whoa you've got some misconceptions. Crack and meth cannot be compared with marijuana. The only reason you compare them is because they're all illegal. Would you compare alcohol with crack or meth? Actually alcohol is more like crack and meth than pot is.

Now, I'm willing to accept the fact that you, Kelsilv, are the type of person who's life could be ruined by marijuana use. Some people should not smoke pot. Some people's chemical makeup just cannot tolerate marijuana. For some people pot is as harmless as cigarettes.

Crack and meth are in a completely different category, if not legally (although I think they are classified differently, not sure though) then certainly health-wise. First of all crack and meth are physically addictive, marijuana is not. You can die of a crack or meth overdose; pot will just make you fall asleep, or worst case scenario stress your liver more than you should. But you cannot die from smoking or eating too much marijuana.

In addition, when you are dealing with the crack or meth world(s) you are dealing with a completely different class of people. In general the person you are going to buy crack or meth from is more dangerous than the person you are going to buy pot from. The two may overlap, but I would not buy pot from someone who was also selling crack or meth, or heroin for that matter.

Marijuana is a plant that occurs in nature. Have you ever seen a crack tree? Or a meth flower? Crack comes from cocaine, which comes from the coca plant. A single alkaloid is extracted from the plant using toxic chemicals in order to achieve cocaine. And crack is smokeable cocaine. It is more concentrated and more deadly.

Nobody should have to deal with legal troubles stemming from pot use. However, the reality is that even if you are not spiritually or physically damaged from pot use, the legal system can f*** you up big time. So if legal trouble follows your pot use, although it sucks for your life to be dictated by an outside, completely impersonal force, then you gott stay away from it.

Crack and meth do not offer "more bang for your buck." Their bang is absolutely different from pot, and a lot more dangerous.
 
For some people pot is as harmless as cigarettes.
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That was my whole point. Pot doesn't do enough to be worth all the hoopla people make over it.

Of course crack and such are "harder" drugs. But legally, the punishments handed down for them are all quite similar. Not exact, but both can put a blot on your record that will affect you for the rest of your life, especially in terms of your employment options, and in the case of the OP, in terms of his family relationships.

Once again I say....Why do people even bother with pot?
 
I'd drop Mom and Sis like they were hot...
Let them think about it the hard way, and if they didn't come back for me, move on anyway.
That crap sounds like a deal-breaker to me.
 
First...

/sigh

I guess that while I really and truly do believe that pot should be legalized...I still think crap like this would happen. I guess that like alcohol or any mood-altering substance schools would frown on it's presence (in any form) in or near a school...and that minors would continue to be prohibited from use.

I watched a lot of people spend too much of their youth under the influence of something. I know circumstances like this are fucked up. I mean..no, family should stand behind family and not scapegoat anyone. That was NOT a good way to deal with the sitch.

That said..

Enaero said:
Actually alcohol is more like crack and meth than pot is.

Now, I'm willing to accept the fact that you, Kelsilv, are the type of person who's life could be ruined by marijuana use. Some people should not smoke pot. Some people's chemical makeup just cannot tolerate marijuana. For some people pot is as harmless as cigarettes.

Marijuana is a plant that occurs in nature. Have you ever seen a crack tree? Or a meth flower? .
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For the first part..they're all mood-altering. Take away my alcohol I'll flush your pot. The same can be said for both...some can handle it some cannot. Some people can let poisons ruin their lives...others can let in just enough to keep life interesting and avoid it getting to the point of toxic.

As for the second point...please please quit saying that..everyone..for the love of GOD don't use that "it's natural" argument. Go suck on a poinsettia plant next christmas...or some nightshade....Hemlock?

Point is that there are deadly and poisonous things in nature...tongue wrestle with some random snake in Australia and see how that treats ya. I don't disagree with pot being not as dangerous as other substances. Just please don't use that argument :P
 
You said a couple of times that you would never rat anyone out. How is telling the police that your mom, and sister are lying, rating them out? I think that would be along the lines of self preservation.

If I myself get caught doing something, and then start dropping the names of people associated with the crime I'm a rat. If I'm accussed of doing something that I had nothing to do with, and I point that out, I'm not rat.

Get it?
 
First of all; Lecan, I'm sorry to hear about what happened to you.

On the subject of hearsay, I learned about it when I went on my Junior Court Day (My entire Junior class went to Downtown Houston to watch court cases all day this last Tuesday.) During a cross examination in one of the criminal court cases, one of the lawyers kept objecting to hearsay (or at least mentioned it alot).

I asked one of my teachers about it, and I still don't exactly understand what it is. I'll try to make up a scenario, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong: If someone says something against you, and someone else says something about you which contradicts the other person's statement, is that whole piece of evidence disregarded all together?

Thanks.
 
I think he meant betraying the people that sold him the pot. That's what the cops prolly want. Anyways.. it's horrible that your parents and such blamed you and got you involved in this way.. sorry.. but don't throw away your relationship with them.
 
Frankly you did not have anything to worry about from the cops as long as you got rid of anything illegal that you had at your house. Your mother and sister saying that your sister got the pot from you is just hearsay and is not enough to get a conviction. They would have to have gone to a judge and proved to him that they have a reasonable cause to search your place (which they didn’t have). Even if they got a warrant to search your place if they didn’t find anything there then they would have no case against you. This is just a classic case of the police trying to go on a fishing expedition to get you to admit you did it and sell your dealer out. I mean they only found residue in her purse, you cant get a conviction for residue because it could have come from anywhere, and they couldn’t get you for distribution because that requires a somewhat large amount of pot (varies state by state).

I wont even get into how shitty it was that you got sold out by family for something you didn’t even do.
 
Kelsilv said:
Is marijuana even worth all that trouble? I think Mountain Dew has more of an effect on me than pot ever did. And with infinitely less hassle.
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I completely aggree with this statement really...

I smoked weed awhile back...and o man was it not pretty when my dad found out...

most of you are thinking at this point...eh it's your dad he wouldn't do anything to ya that bad...

now...I need to mention this...my dad is the Chief of Police in a county in NE' Oklahoma...man that was a bad ... year -.- I deserved it all I guess but damn...he made me wish that I never smoked that shit again AT ALL...

No he didnt beat me or some shit like that, but made me do stuff around the house and took me to crime scene's of a car wreck where the driver was stoned...most disgusting thing I've ever seen in real life...

A decapatated(sp?) head with a severed leg and hand outside of a car...right infront of you...(I was 2ft away from a smelly blood covered decapatated HEAD!!!) if that wasnt bad enough...

Went to another scene where the guy and his g/f where smokin some pot just for fun...they started makin out and something else(i honestly don't remember what the cop said) but it got outta control somehow and ... the guy ended up bleeding to death ... from a severed penis... NO THANKS!!!!!

I'm not saying that this shit will happen to you or w/e but damn just think...it COULD happen...and after that...no way in hell
 
Sneakypants said:
:?: :?: What's weed :?: :?:
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Grass, Weed, Pot, marijuana, Pakalolo, all same thing.

On a side note. If you don't know what Meth is you should learn before you mess with it.

Simply put it is the worst drug out there and only stupid fucking people that have no fucking clue what their doing use it.

So if you have tried it yes, you are a moron.
 
Xelos said:
First of all; Lecan, I'm sorry to hear about what happened to you.

On the subject of hearsay, I learned about it when I went on my Junior Court Day (My entire Junior class went to Downtown Houston to watch court cases all day this last Tuesday.) During a cross examination in one of the criminal court cases, one of the lawyers kept objecting to hearsay (or at least mentioned it alot).

I asked one of my teachers about it, and I still don't exactly understand what it is. I'll try to make up a scenario, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong: If someone says something against you, and someone else says something about you which contradicts the other person's statement, is that whole piece of evidence disregarded all together?

Thanks.
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Hearsay is beaing accused of something when the cops have nothing but the accuser's word or in shortened terms "He said, she said." Though it isn't always a HE said SHE said thing.
 
Aerindir, you do have a point, albeit a small one. I don't consider telling the cops about what my mother and sister did to be ratting them out for the simple fact that the cops already KNEW about them. This was not new information for them, whereas the cops had nothing on me until they threw my name in there to save their own asses. I merely clarified the information that they were given.

As far as, "Why bother doing it in the first place?" Well, think about it this way...

You play FFXI, it gives you enjoyment, correct? Why do you bother doing it in the first place? Because it's fun, you enjoy it. Same reason why "I bother with it". I smoke pot becuase I enjoy it, it's fun for me, it's something I enjoy. and just like FFXI, I can put it down any time I choose. It's as simple as that. Will I buy pot again sometime soon? Probably not, 1, I dont' have the money. 2, I don't trust the police enough not to keep tabs on me. Maybe in a month or so, if I choose to smoke again, I'll do so. Maybe not, I don't know. I don't consider myself a big pothead, I don't smoke that much. Even when I did smoke regularly it was for a weekend every two weeks, and then I was done for two weeks.

That being said..

More or less everything is over now. My sister knows how angry I am with her and she has thus moved out of the house (she lived here with me and my grandfather), and lives with my mother again. I haven't talked to either my mother or sister since this incident happened, nor do I intend to. Once I get this home business started up, I plan on saving up money and moving the hell away from this area (closer to one of my LS mates if I possible, I'm coming for you Brinno!). The police said they would call me when they need me to do this thing, and then they'll "leave me alone". So hopefully this is my last brush with the law, save beating the LIVING SHIT out of the guy who raped my sister a few months ago, and who is now stalking her.

Never a dull bloody moment..
 
You play FFXI, it gives you enjoyment, correct? Why do you bother doing it in the first place?
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Imagine that FFXI, for some strange, nonsensical reason, was suddenly declared to be illegal to play. However, very similar, near identical games like WoW, EQII, insert whatever game here, remain legal.

Would you still risk jailtime, career ruination, and a torn apart family to get the same amount of enjoyment you could easily find from more legal sources?

What exactly is the appeal of pot? Does it make people feel like a rebel? Makes people feel like they are escaping the cliche of being "normal"?
 
Pot is like any other vice...and guess what - alcohol IS illegal in some states (like Waco Texas for instance is a "dry" state - you can't buy alcohol anywhere and bring it home - you can only drink it in resturaunts - which, IMO promotes drinking and driving - but whatever)

Vices are vices - you wouldn't understand them unless you had tried them



I don't judge people by decisions that they make for THEMSELVES. If it doesn't effect me, than what business is it of mine, on how they choose to live their life?
 
Kelsilv said:
You play FFXI, it gives you enjoyment, correct? Why do you bother doing it in the first place?
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Imagine that FFXI, for some strange, nonsensical reason, was suddenly declared to be illegal to play. However, very similar, near identical games like WoW, EQII, insert whatever game here, remain legal.

Would you still risk jailtime, career ruination, and a torn apart family to get the same amount of enjoyment you could easily find from more legal sources?

What exactly is the appeal of pot? Does it make people feel like a rebel? Makes people feel like they are escaping the cliche of being "normal"?
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Pot and Alcohol effects each person in a different way and each person who uses them take some pleasure from it, but that pleasure may not be the same as another person. If a person playing FFXI got the same enjoyment from WoW then the odds are they would “use” WoW rather than FFXI. But if they could only get the enjoyment from FFXI and no where else, the odds are they would still use it even if it was illegal.

When it comes to Drugs, each drug has such a way different effect, that you can not swap one for the other in the way you are thinking. A crack addict doesn’t stop smoking pot or drinking alcohol because they are doing crack. The use both, but crack becomes there primary substance of use.
 
Kelsilv said:
What exactly is the appeal of pot? Does it make people feel like a rebel? Makes people feel like they are escaping the cliche of being "normal"?
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Um, no. I think that's a pretty sorry reason to do this "drug".
Maybe kiddies feel this way, but I don't understand the kiddies.
It's a lot lower key than drinking just a few beers.
Like any substance, however, it will merely heighten your current drame of mind and mood. So if you are in a really shitty mood, don't do drugs or drink, m'kay?

If you ever have a chance to smoke a joint and listen to some music, that will change you...Make you think in ways that, consciously, normally you wouldn't. Usually for the best. I say usually, referencing the thing I said about your prior mood.

Spark it up. Puff puff give. Let the good times roll.
 
I guess to me it just seems so petty and pointless, when thinking about the consequences of doing it. I'm not speaking COMPLETELY out of my ass, I've done a little of this, a little of that. Any sort of buzz I got from pot was immediately killed by having to look over my shoulder for trouble.

I'm not here trying to say anyone is "wrong" or "right" for doing what they choose to do. That's for God or whoever to decide. I just don't understand why people risk so much for such a minor pleasure.
 
Kelsilv said:
I guess to me it just seems so petty and pointless, when thinking about the consequences of doing it. I'm not speaking COMPLETELY out of my ass, I've done a little of this, a little of that. Any sort of buzz I got from pot was immediately killed by having to look over my shoulder for trouble.

I'm not here trying to say anyone is "wrong" or "right" for doing what they choose to do. That's for God or whoever to decide. I just don't understand why people risk so much for such a minor pleasure.
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I'm not trying to be difficult, but by reading your first paragraph are you looking at getting a buzz as petty and pointless because it causes you this paranoia?

Also, what is the risk of smoking a little pot or having some beers in the comfort of your own home? There is more risk simply driving down the street.

One thing I don't want to do is come off as some all out proponent for getting high. Life is about balances. Mostly, you need to have your act together first, before goofing off. Handle your damn business, fool! Then do whatever ya want with your spare time. But don't make excuses for the things that didn't get taken care of because you were too busy getting a fix. You are the only person that can do anything for yourself...No one else will. Assuming you have your ducks in a row, if getting high, drinking, playing with Legos, etc. is your thing, do it...Whats the problem?

I only see a problem with drugs, or really ANY activity one could partake in *cough**FFXI**cough*, if it is limiting your ability to take care of what you need to take care of. i.e. your health, your family, your bills, etc.
But again, there can be no excuses and justification...Some people make too many excuses just to allow themselves to get loaded more often than they should. BAD Junkies!
 
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