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[Eladamiri]

I agree with you raes, but you cant compare a HNM to a sky tirgger NM... if you are trying to do that, then all hell will break lose. If you didn't know, in sky we dont CC each other, so trying to compare simmy to a sky NM is a big no no.

Also, if you haven't heard, there are people that have shown up in the last xx ammount of minutes of a window for a HNm and gotten claim.. due to /search ing the area and seeing names from an opposing HNM LS.

BoL has encountered many of these people, and we call them search whores, but we have never MPK anyone because of it..

 

[Elemmire]

I agree with you raes, but you cant compare a HNM to a sky tirgger NM... if you are trying to do that, then all hell will break lose. If you didn't know, in sky we dont CC each other, so trying to compare simmy to a sky NM is a big no no.

that's funny... when we go up to farm/pop Gods we tend to run into a lot of competition like, Ascension, BoL, OH, and lots of JP LS and lately (atleast when I last played) RevolutionaryESP. Sometimes we are going after the same NM and so CCing does happen.. more and more getting sky access and wanting to do Gods. with lots of God pop NMs having a 3-8 hour repop time... It's gonna get competative.

 

[Lavi]

I've refrained from posting mostly because I would rather not annoy or piss of any more people than I should but there is a reason I do not now. I am gonna state this and I mean no offense to BoL but you guys scare me. I do not like camping with you arround and it makes me nervous when I do. I am an avid reader of the forums and all I see is crap like this. Now I know people in BoL will probably take offense to this but I have just reason to not liking camping with you arround. You lack the ethics that most other linkshells have and your own leader condones these actions.

http://www.qcdn.org/viewtopic.php?t=8114&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30

Though the claiming, and losing claim situation just proves 1 thing, u lost it, u lost it. This game is built upon competition, and shit is bound to happen. If it bothers u that much Proph, I will re-imburst you with your troubles, but I just want to make 1 point clear.

BoL has been here for awhile, I do not base my LS on anything, other than respect. Yoshi has been in BoL before he even had a sub-job, and yea ppl hate him or whatever, lets face the facts, noone is the same, and some personalities are more straight forward than others. Yoshi will always have my respect, because he has respected me and BoL since day 1. Those qualities are very hard to find among players who only care about themselves. Claims lost only means that POL needs to fix that glitch, or something else happened, because claim lost on an NM isnt based on who taps the finger the fastest. For one, I thank you for respecting and not taking action, because like I said, I havent talked to anyone yet, and I will post further updates on this situation.

http://www.qcdn.org/viewtopic.php?t=8243&highlight=

Loving how all these stories keep coming up, yea bash BoL again, blah blah blah, {you can have this} {middle} {finger gauntlets} I dont give a fuck anymore, u lost claim deal with it, if we lost claim we deal with it, stop crying u fucking retard, tried of all this bullshit, go play the fucking game, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, im cursing omg, fuck you, I dont care anymore blah blah blah, fuck you to, everyone goes through shit, shit happens, whatever, peace out

Now I know there is no clear set of standards or ethics to this game but I hate to say it but I draw a line when you take a claim from someone else. I like my entire linkshell will wait until you kill the mob or you completely wipe or run away. We will not steal claim because this could and will lead to MPKing someone. Now this currently has nothing to do with these latest events but it gives a reasoning to why people dislike your linkshell and have a reason to bash them.

As for the current allegations, I hate to say this, but I cannot condone MPK as much as I want to and I agree with Firestreak.

Unlike most people here defending this MPK, I am not a member of BoL... however I must say one thing. MPK CAN be justified sometime. If your only leg to stand on argumentively is no matter what it's unfair to MPK, then that means, you could be fighting Ulli, kiting him around the teleporter and some exp party runs in and claims him as he turns yellowl. Then you have to sit back and take it in the ass because "MPK is never justified"?

The fact is there are ethics that every LS follows because if we were all down our each other's throats we couldn't get anything done. A lot of the people posting on this thread have not gotten any god armor. They don't know what it's like to go up to sky for hours and have to work schedules out with other LS to share NM so everyone gets what they need while trying to spend their time effecticely. People work things out, go to other pop items, tell each other ToD, camp on different schedules. Stealing a pop item NM is a breach of these ethics.

Does this mean now that if BoL is camping Ulli I won't be able to exp because these ethics are now out the window? Is MPK to enforce these ethics worse or is breaking the ethics and making pop items just like any other HNM camp worse? Consider this long and hard before you continue your campaign of chanting how MPK is always wrong and then saying AMEN to everything like an asshole.

Everything about gods is very uniquely different than anything in lower level aspect of the game. It's not like you can be camping for your coffer key in Beadeaux and after 4 hours your "coffer mob" pops. Everything that requires work to get to is simply a question of getting a drop of mobs, not forcing a mob to spawn. What if when you traded your coffer key you had to fight a NM, and what if some guy breezed through and stole your NM for his AF? These things can't happen in lower level so MPK can never seem justified. There doesn't have to be ethics or coordination because all rewards based of hard work are short term based.

In sky... to figiht kirin...
Must get 2 pop items for all gods, involving killing many NM and non NM, lots of legwork and time camping.
Then you have to pop every god and beat them to get a seal off each.
Then trade 1 seal of each god just for 1 kirin fight.

If at any point some other LS is already popping that god, if someone was to steal a god when it turned yellow, ext, a LS of hard workers is fucked out of a lot of time.

So just consider all this.

If I was to camp a god pop item for a long time like this I would be very pissed if someone took it after we had been there and tried claiming it for a long time and I might even be mad enough to turn my back if someone MPKed them. Yah I know this is contrary to what I said earlier but when you are mad, morals tend to go out the window. However, it was BoL that first broke this very poorly communicated promise. You willingliy stood in the middle of agro knowing full well you would have to kill the mobs thus taking away from the experience party. If you had enough trust in the verbal contract, why did you not leave and come back when it did spawn? Usually when I am in sky and we are waiting for Ulli to pop and there is an experience party there, we leave and someone stays there to tell us when he pops or the experience party would be kind enough to tell us it popped. I am just saying you had options but you chose the one option that would already null the promise you made with the experience party. Why would you do that?

/sigh... Last post on this thread, since people seem to be utterly factional about it.

1.) The XP party thought they had an agreement upon entering the zone
2.) That agreement was not sufficiently communicated within the BoL alliance and therefore effectively void.
3.) After half an hour of (from their perspective) getting screwed on the deal, the XP party came out, and apparently a new agreement was in the process of being struck, but at that time NO MENTION WAS MADE of the XP party not claiming Ulli.
4.) While they're still working out what exactly is going to happen, Ulli pops, Vind claims it.
5.) After numerous attempts to claim steal, members of the BoL alliance get sufficiently irritated to MPK.
6.) Shortly before the MPK succeeds, Vind is kind enough to bring back those wayward mobs that Scwall left behind....

Now, for those of you who say "MPK was justified, BoL had spend 8 hours, etc etc etc"... No. 'Fraid not. Assume you're wandering through the Crawler's Nest one day, looking for a coffer spawn. You've got some friends with you, and you decide "Hey, let's go see if Simurgh is up!". So you wander on out, Simmy pops, you outclaim the campers, who for the sake of this argument have been there for 8 hours waiting for a pop. I strongly doubt that you'd feel the people were justified to MPK you, and you'd probably be here flaming them within the day. By that logic, I could get together a crapload of friends, go down and camp Serket all day, and then MPK anyone who out-claimed me. After all, I'd put tons of time into it. I'd be justified, right?

I think not.

Now... as for the second half of the argument, that the XP party had agreed not to claim Ulli, that's another matter, but given the fact that both sides admit that the whole thing failed from a communication perspective, it's not something you can blame on either side.

Meh, when you get right down to it, the agreement should have been formalized from the instant they walked into the area, and the main failure on that end belongs to whoever in the BoL alliance that was doing the talking initially.

This is also very very true. Everyone seems to think you have a claim if you are the first people there but you don't. You have just about much right to Ulli as the person who camps Leaping Lizzy for 10 hours and the noob who runs by on choco gets claim. Shit happens, so you deal with it. This was bound to happen and you guys are just the first group to have it happen to you. Sky is getting crowded and there is not enough room for everyone so its come down to linkshells competing for claims. Yes this is not a direct competition of two linkshells, rather one linkshell and one experience party but the "pact" of first come, first serve is gone. However, BoL was the first group (or atleast first I have heard) this happened to and they reacted poorly. You have to remember no matter what you do and what you say, is always open to judgement and it reflects you as a player and your linkshell.

Sorry if this is a poorly written and not check for errors but I am a little short on time. I would also like to apalogize to anyone I may have offended but this is how I personally feel.

 

[Eladamiri]

I agree with you raes, but you cant compare a HNM to a sky tirgger NM... if you are trying to do that, then all hell will break lose. If you didn't know, in sky we dont CC each other, so trying to compare simmy to a sky NM is a big no no.

that's funny... when we go up to farm/pop Gods we tend to run into a lot of competition like, Ascension, BoL, OH, and lots of JP LS and lately (atleast when I last played) RevolutionaryESP. Sometimes we are going after the same NM and so CCing does happen.. more and more getting sky access and wanting to do Gods. with lots of God pop NMs having a 3-8 hour repop time... It's gonna get competative.

I may be on crack, but coupledays ago in sky deci made an agreement with a coupld members from NH.. they went to do Ulli, so we said we would do somethig else, then we would switch

and of course, we run into a ton of competition as well.. like ive said, last couple days we have got a late start and have not gotten ANYTHING...so weve had to wait around for a couple hours to even start

 

[Elemmire]

ah..well.. as you may or may not know.. I have been FFXI-less for a good week and half now T.T so I'm not up to date with things that are going on in game.

 

[Konartist]

I agree with you raes, but you cant compare a HNM to a sky tirgger NM... if you are trying to do that, then all hell will break lose. If you didn't know, in sky we dont CC each other, so trying to compare simmy to a sky NM is a big no no.

that's funny... when we go up to farm/pop Gods we tend to run into a lot of competition like, Ascension, BoL, OH, and lots of JP LS and lately (atleast when I last played) RevolutionaryESP. Sometimes we are going after the same NM and so CCing does happen.. more and more getting sky access and wanting to do Gods. with lots of God pop NMs having a 3-8 hour repop time... It's gonna get competative.

Just to clear things up, we rarely (if ever) CC any LS in sky, though we have been CC'd, we dont do it to others when it comes to sky stuff.

 

[Elemmire]

I know ^^ we've run into RevolutionaryESP up there and it's always been a friendly "heyo" and "what's up" kinda thing with information passed with what each party killed so we all know when the next things should be popping and tends to work out well. Truth is.. most LS (if they can understand you.. lot of JP ones didn't really understand us><) are very very reasonable and mature in Sky. BoL included (for you people flaming BoL). In all honesty.. NH hasn't had any problems with BoL in sky other than they killed a NM we wanted to go after too but we shrugged it off and came back to it later XD Ascension is up there sometimes when we are but we never really have problems with them either. Only thing was Outterheaven and I'd bet it was more a misunderstanding and even then there were no real things that were done that were wrong.. just arguing between Prophecy and Maseki and that was about it. So ya.. every LS in sky tends to be very reasonable. Just be sure to work things out with not just 1 member but with them all or atleast bring it up to the leader of the LS or the leader of the hunt and usually the leaders of said hunts will make it known to the group.

 

[Eladamiri]

well you need to get back ele ^^

also, same thing with NH and BoL... deci and spyda exchanged ToD's and we made an agreement to camp differnt trigger NM so we woudlnt be CC

 

[Davio]

Krono should shut the fuck up... i dont even know him and he sounds like a little bitch...

WYS layed the whole situtation with nothing left out, if it was a NA and JP LS CC, with no communication, MPK would be wrong. But this was A SKY LS and a XP party. the agreement suited both groups... XP party gets the XP, sky LS gets the trigger NM

mistaya, fyi, the whole time it has been 4-6 hours, WYS only said 8 hours because BoL was in sky for a total of 8 hours(i was there the other 2 hours at despot, zip, ect)

I just gotta throw my 2 cents in, we dont just MPK randomly.... if someone gets to a NM before us, we wont MPK.... i know this because the last 2 days ive farmed weve been late, and shown up late to a ton of NM.. but we just leave and we even made agreements with other sky LS on sharing the NM

However, if you just look at the facts.... which have been laid out(ill summarize)
-agreement made, Bol gets ulli, xp party gets xp mobs (bol camped ulli 4-6 hours so far)
-ulli pops, xp party takes it (against agreement)
-xp party wotn answer tells after BoL asked for Ulli
-BoL MPK's (not sure if the xp party MPK, i was not there)

so you honestly wouldnt MPK if some XP party took it, didnt answer your tells (BIG HINT that they are messing with you), especially since you made an agreement (and yes, there was an agreement made, ask the people in the xp party, so KRONO SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT DECI SAYING THERE WAS NO AGREEMENT, BECAUSE THERE WAS)

First of all where was the understanding that we had?

I'm not saying there was or wasn't an agreement. I'm just saying that decidence's first post was totally oposite of what he and WYS said later.

PS: I like those little jabs at me, you act like I'm the only person here who belives BoL did wrong by MPKing. I think you are biast, and everything you say is irrelevant. And there is no justifying what happened, so stop pointing the finger at me, and stop being dumbass.

Krono i dont know you, but ireally think you should stfu.


Need i remind you? "Im glad those planes crashed into your shitty buildings"

 

[Strid]

Krono i dont know you, but ireally think you should stfu.


Need i remind you? "Im glad those planes crashed into your shitty buildings"

Pwned haha :lol: gg Davio.

 

[Firestreak]

There are 2 things you must understand.

1. A HNM is uniquely different from a god pop NM. There is no work involved in a HNM. They are generated by a game timer. Ulli on the other hand is spawned by killing placeholders. They are more comparable to for example Charby with the Joyeuse Sword. If you spent hours killing placeholders and rivals came in and decided to stand there waiting for NM to pop as you did the work, perhaps you might be better able to compare.

There are some gods that are a claim race, for example Faust. He just pops on a timer. Anyone can come in at any time and claim him. That's a fairer comparison of the NM.

Now 2, and this is very important...:

However dissatisfied you are about how many mobs were left, consider simply this. They could have killed every mob that spawned, not agreed to leave any, and any exp party would simply leave the camp. Allowing a exp party to come in and camp and sparing them mobs is a favor. Understand this. It's a favor. When there's an alliance camping, you can exp or CC but you can't do both. Because if you are CC people will kill your exp and drive you out, and they should if they aren't morons.
So don't go on about how they killed the 2 mobs that spawn on the alliacne. All mobs that were left was a favor. When I camp ulli, I personally love killing off all the statues. It's an easy merit while camping for a long time. So don't spit a favcr back in the face.

 

[Lavi]

A favor is also allowing you to take Ulli... which they didn't have to do. You say they did it as a favor as if BoL owned the place, which the last time I check they did not. Like I said, this was bound to happen as sky gets more crowded. Linkshells will compete for god pop NM and parties will compete for experience. Its already like this at lower levels when people do not have enough places to level and as a lot of high levels know, there is not many good places to level post 73. You also have to realize experience parties do not stop at 75 because of merit points and will only make things more crowded. My point is this, it will get so crowded in sky that linkshells are bound to have no choice but compete if they want to get god pop items and BoL was the first to have it happen to them (although in this case it was a exp party) and they reacted poorly. I hope in the future maybe they will behave more maturely but from what I have heard from a lot of people and many posts this does not seem so isolated.

And no a HNM is not different from a god pop NM. They all pop in various different ways but that doesn't make them different from a HNM. Someone also already stated its unnecessary to kill the statues to pop Ulli and I tend to believe him since there is no reason to lie about it.

Also a correction, I think someone (I believe it was Firestreak but I don't want to find the post) mentioned something about stealing gods. You cannot steal gods. It is impossible. Once you trade the two god pop items to ???, the teleports to the island are shut off so there is not way on to the island and I think also no way off. So the only way to steal claim is to be on the island when someone pops the god which from what I can tell no linkshell would ever do this EVER. The only exclusion to this is Kirin as he is not on an island.

 

[Legomyeggo]

Now that that's settled, we are back to square one, where no side was right.

 

[Firestreak]

A favor is also allowing you to take Ulli... which they didn't have to do. You say they did it as a favor as if BoL owned the place, which the last time I check they did not.

You can camp or you can exp, but you can't do both with competition. If they were a exp party, and their objective was exp, they would not have stayed at that camp if BoL didn't leave statues for them. If their true objective was Ulli all along, then that's all well and good, but don't pretend to be an exp party and then jump on the NM. Otherwise all other parties must be recognized as CCers and all LS must spam voke everything that pops for claim.

An alliance can with ease stay camped right at the center to spam voke ulli, a single exp party can't always do that or adds will wipe them. Single party vs Alliance spamming camped at center = party has no chance... unless you decide to camp right on top of them and have everyone hit each other with AE(a form of MPKing?)

My point is this, it will get so crowded in sky that linkshells are bound to have no choice but compete if they want to get god pop items and BoL was the first to have it happen to them (although in this case it was a exp party) and they reacted poorly.

We do compete, with a bit of mutual respect and ethics. We have CCed each other though it's considered very poor taste. This isn't the issue. The issue was the fact that it the party was there for exp not the NM.

And no a HNM is not different from a god pop NM. They all pop in various different ways but that doesn't make them different from a HNM.

No offense, but this could only be said by someone who's never touched a god pop NM.

Also a correction, I think someone (I believe it was Firestreak but I don't want to find the post) mentioned something about stealing gods. You cannot steal gods. It is impossible. Once you trade the two god pop items to ???, the teleports to the island are shut off so there is not way on to the island and I think also no way off. So the only way to steal claim is to be on the island when someone pops the god which from what I can tell no linkshell would ever do this EVER. The only exclusion to this is Kirin as he is not on an island.

My example was actually about Kirin, who is very stealable and I have seen threats before to steal him, and LS coming all the way to the Kirin's room and assembling in anticipation of pop. Not a NA LS that did it thankfully but the possibility exists nontheless.

 

[Zalbag]

Why has it become a issue of stealing a NM? As far as i know if a NM pops and is NOT red/claimed by a pt it has no owner. That NM did not pop as Ulli(BoL's NM cause they were here first) it popped as simply Ulli.

The fact of the matter is the xp pt got the spawn first and were mpk'd. And as for their allience being able to beat us to the pop, it consisted of 8 people, our 6 man pt was killing Golems faster then the allience was and they had about 2-3 vokers, bout the same the xp pt. if both sides were competing for it by spamming Voke it would have been pretty even.

Now as for our aggreement about they dont take xp mobs we wont take Ulli that was clearly annuled when they were constantly killing xp mobs. So the fact of the matter is if someone is at fault for breaking the aggrement it was BoL's camping pt.

For those out there who feel that it is unfair that the xp pt took claim over Ulli, and that the campers should have got it simply because they were there for "4 hours camping Ulli" to quote deci you really should not be doing sky to begin with. I've done a few god fights and they are never done in 2-3 hours.

And for everyone saying there is some kind of aggreement out there between ls's to not double camp that is complete bs. with 2-3 hours after the mpk there were about 50 people standing out in the middle of that area camping Ulli. About 3-5 different ls's.

The bottom line is the "XP" pt laid claim over the NM first, we did not say secretly lets tell them we'll not touch the NM so they get slack. Rollie told them we wouldnt touch Ulli if u didnt touch Golems. They never stopped touch Golems till "about 5min before he popped" to qoute deci again. If any of you recall deci said they didnt notice we were there till about 5min before the pop. We were there for 30-45min as we were on 2nd food as Vindicative pointed out. How blind can a pt be to not notive 5-8 golems go missing?

And on top of that if Deci did not know we were there till 5min before pop how was a aggreement not to kill the NM ever made w/o them knowing we were there?

As for the people trying to defend the Allience for killing 3-5 Golems because of aggro take a look at golems. They aggro magic, everyone knows this. They also aggro sight...BUT Golems are frickin blind u can get pretty close w/o getting aggro. AND on top of that Ulli isnt exactly small, and the pop room isnt exactly large. The NM can be seen pretty easily from both camp locations w/o having to stand in the middle.

The XP pt had only done one thing wrong, and that was to resort to mpking with a mpk. I wont defend my pt's choice on that one i think we should have called for help as our final defense. But i do not hold it agaisnt Vin for doing it. I've known him over a year in the game he is a awesome player and spends large amounts of his time helping people.

The bottom line is one group mpk'd another. And as for the invite i got to join BoL guess where u can shove it. Mpking is wrong but pretending to be nice so u can use my words to defend ur actions say to much about people from BoL, i know not all members are like that but i do not wish to be associated with people like that.[/quote]

 

[Lavi]

So you are saying because they are an experience party they have no claim to the NM? Cuz thats what it sounds like. It may be an experience party at first but then turned into NM party. When I go with an experience party and something pops like Ulli and I know the party can take it, we do. In fact, Ive done it twice. Objectives can change and guess what? They did. When experience parties level in gustav tunnel and Wyverpoacher pops, do you think a good party is going to back down since they are there just for experience? What about Ose? I am sure you've never seen him killed by an experience party because of that pesky experience only rule... Oh wait, it doesn't exist. You want to make the excuse that sky is different, but I want to know why? Is sky governed by an unseen set of rules that everyone else knows nothing about? Because there is some sort of code of ethics that makes sky different? Who made these codes? Seriously, I missed them when I walked down the hall of the gods and I need someone to show them to me. I know one rule, its not to MPK. I follow it but apparently not everyone else feels its worth listening too...

All you are doing is making hollow excuses for what you know is wrong. I am not saying BoL is completely at fault but you seem to want to justify the MPK in any possible way.

Apparently you don't know shit Firestreak. I know I am not exactly the most knowledgeable about gods since I am a whm and am usually left out of the loop but apparently I know more than you. Not all god pop NM need to have place holders killed. And as someone already stated and you completely ignored, Ulli can pop without killing placeholders which again I see no reason to disbelieve since the person has no motive to lie. Faust pops without killing place holders so why not Ulli? Because people think you have to? People still think killing lizards in South Gustaberg will make Leaping Lizzy spawn faster, doesn't mean they are right. I know some god pop NM need place holders to be killed like despot; however, so do NMs like Ungur and Amikiri so I want to know how they are uniquely different? And I have killed gods and camped god pop NMs so don't assume since you seem to lack the knowledge yourself. All NM are different in some way but that doesn't make them no longer a NM. The only difference here is these NM drop items which pop gods.

If it doesn't pop red, its not yours. That means its fair game. You want to kill it, go ahead, but don't bitch if someone else takes it because you wasted your precious time camping, like its never happened in this game before.

 

[Rone]

Why has it become a issue of stealing a NM? As far as i know if a NM pops and is NOT red/claimed by a pt it has no owner. That NM did not pop as Ulli(BoL's NM cause they were here first) it popped as simply Ulli.

The fact of the matter is the xp pt got the spawn first and were mpk'd. And as for their allience being able to beat us to the pop, it consisted of 8 people, our 6 man pt was killing Golems faster then the allience was and they had about 2-3 vokers, bout the same the xp pt. if both sides were competing for it by spamming Voke it would have been pretty even.

Now as for our aggreement about they dont take xp mobs we wont take Ulli that was clearly annuled when they were constantly killing xp mobs. So the fact of the matter is if someone is at fault for breaking the aggrement it was BoL's camping pt.

For those out there who feel that it is unfair that the xp pt took claim over Ulli, and that the campers should have got it simply because they were there for "4 hours camping Ulli" to quote deci you really should not be doing sky to begin with. I've done a few god fights and they are never done in 2-3 hours.

And for everyone saying there is some kind of aggreement out there between ls's to not double camp that is complete bs. with 2-3 hours after the mpk there were about 50 people standing out in the middle of that area camping Ulli. About 3-5 different ls's.

The bottom line is the "XP" pt laid claim over the NM first, we did not say secretly lets tell them we'll not touch the NM so they get slack. Rollie told them we wouldnt touch Ulli if u didnt touch Golems. They never stopped touch Golems till "about 5min before he popped" to qoute deci again. If any of you recall deci said they didnt notice we were there till about 5min before the pop. We were there for 30-45min as we were on 2nd food as Vindicative pointed out. How blind can a pt be to not notive 5-8 golems go missing?

And on top of that if Deci did not know we were there till 5min before pop how was a aggreement not to kill the NM ever made w/o them knowing we were there?

As for the people trying to defend the Allience for killing 3-5 Golems because of aggro take a look at golems. They aggro magic, everyone knows this. They also aggro sight...BUT Golems are frickin blind u can get pretty close w/o getting aggro. AND on top of that Ulli isnt exactly small, and the pop room isnt exactly large. The NM can be seen pretty easily from both camp locations w/o having to stand in the middle.

The XP pt had only done one thing wrong, and that was to resort to mpking with a mpk. I wont defend my pt's choice on that one i think we should have called for help as our final defense. But i do not hold it agaisnt Vin for doing it. I've known him over a year in the game he is a awesome player and spends large amounts of his time helping people.

The bottom line is one group mpk'd another. And as for the invite i got to join BoL guess where u can shove it. Mpking is wrong but pretending to be nice so u can use my words to defend ur actions say to much about people from BoL, i know not all members are like that but i do not wish to be associated with people like that.

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CAN I GETTA AMEN!

 

[Zalbag]

I've been having problems logging in resently and have spent some time browsing through these forums and flameboards and have noticed something of interest.

It seems everyone defending BoL's mpk are primarily members of BoL. The main person who has been defending BoL's actions and is not a member of the ls has been Firestreak.

I was reading the thread called "An open letter to HNM shells and those wo camp them." Fire speaks alot on honor and whats right and wrong. He made many statements about how cheating is wrong, gil buying, using sniffer programs or whatever they are, MPKing ect.

I also noticed that he and yanzi(the person who stared this thread) had lots of verbal warfair going on. Fire has your place on mpking changed based on a bias towards Yanzi? If so you should really retract all your passed comments made in the other other thread.

And wouldnt that also make you a hypocrite for now believing in MPK? Please if you want to continue fighting with yanzi post a thread where he can further put you in our place.

 

[wolfskymoon]

zlbag got a point 8) . now its silence...

 

[Daveman]

So you are saying because they are an experience party they have no claim to the NM? Cuz thats what it sounds like. It may be an experience party at first but then turned into NM party. When I go with an experience party and something pops like Ulli and I know the party can take it, we do. In fact, Ive done it twice. Objectives can change and guess what? They did. When experience parties level in gustav tunnel and Wyverpoacher pops, do you think a good party is going to back down since they are there just for experience? What about Ose?

The problem is, alot of times people ask exp pts to let them have ulli, that way they don't have to CC on statues, and the pt can exp, and large group can have ulli (mutual benifit). Now when an Exp pt lies and takes ulli anyways after saying they'd give it, we have a problem. If you're saying an exp pt should have a right to ulli all the time no matter what, then I'm gonna say that alliances should always claim all the statues regardless of the presence of an exp pt or not, and thus ruining that area as an exp option because anytime a ls feels like camping ulli, you'd be unable to get decent exp.

I am sure you've never seen him killed by an experience party because of that pesky experience only rule... Oh wait, it doesn't exist. You want to make the excuse that sky is different, but I want to know why? Is sky governed by an unseen set of rules that everyone else knows nothing about? Because there is some sort of code of ethics that makes sky different? Who made these codes? Seriously, I missed them when I walked down the hall of the gods and I need someone to show them to me.

The code and rule is made on the spot, when the group hunting ulli asks the party if they're only exping or want ulli aswell. The party can always says "We want exp and ulli", then the other group would have to CC.